DTL Season 7-Week 1

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What is that... a sextuplet post?! I think that's a record! HAH!
 
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What is that... a sextuplet post?! I think that's a record! HAH!
 
To synopsise my battles

I had Yat try to take out Zatanna however Jugs intercepts and takes him out quickly. He then focuses on Xavier.

Zauriel aims for the vampire feeling he has the best chance only to be ambushed by Wolverine however this doesnt take either out on a count of healing abilities.

Selene tries to mind assault Zauriel but this proves in effective and in result wipes her out due to Zauriels connection to the heavens.

Wolverine disables Grodd thanks to protection from telepathy and the use of his animalistic fighting and cloak. Cap uses this fight as a distraction to get the drop on Logan.

Midnighter tries to do what Yat also attempted and tries to take out Zatanna's mouth. This is successful however it isnt fully followed through thanks to another distraction attack from Cap.

Zatanna heals herself and Cap, Zatanna and Zauriel assist Jugs in disabling Xavier. Zauriel is the key to the distraction and draws Xavier away from the others. Using his Sonic Scream he attempts to slow him down with the assistance of Zatanna's magic. She levitates him disabling his charge. Xavier retaliates with mind blasts to throw Zatanna's concentration. Juggernaut grabs Xaviers leg before he can regain his stance and launches him into the sky. Zatanna backs this by freezing his body and encasing him in ice.

Thus ending the battle...

Now i'll explain my battles. Juggernaut would have the strength to render Yat unconscious. He's powerful and fast enough to catch him when stood in close proximity to Zatanna.

Selene's telepathy wouldnt be able to hold its own against the mind of Zauriel due to his connection with the heavens. Even Martian Manhunter has struggled to break into his mind.

Grodd would lose against Wolverine without his telepathy due to fighting style and Wolverine having the claws.

Cap would be able to get the drop on Wolverine and even if not he should be a more skilled fighter than Logan and in a fist fight would come out on top.

Midnighter's appraoch wouldve been effective against Zatanna however with his concentration focused on Zatanna, Cap would be able to get the drop on him without his precog ability coming into play. Then with all the other main players taken out the four remaining heroes would be able to combine their powers to take out Xavier with the right technique.
 
DTL-day, 13:00

“Fascinating.” Kang the Conqueror holds in his hands a Kryptonian crystal. He feels its weight, holds it in one hand, then the other. With a smile playing on his lips, he inspects the smooth surface of the crystal. Not a single flaw upon it.

“Kang?” Flash speeds into the room. “We’re going to start now.”

Kang nods and follows the crimson speedster into the general area of the building they’re in. Waiting on the two are the Martian monstrosity Fernus the Burning, the Batman from 831 centuries into the future and Eric Payne, the man they call the Devil-Slayer. Set up in the centre of the room is a holographic projection of the ‘others’, the opponents this team will face in a coming battle.

Exodus.
Flash.
Blue Beetle.
Boy Blue.
Spider-Man.

“Let us compare notes,” Fernus says, glancing at each of his teammates. He grins sinisterly, something that contorts his burning face into something truly menacing. None of the others seem unnerved by this, although they generally stay to one side of the Martian.
“Going by the marks I’ve found, this planet is Kryptonian,” the Batman of the future notes.
“It is made up entirely of ice, besides this structure,” the Flash adds.
“We will stage our battle in the city then,” Kang says as he steps forward, towards the holograms. “Now, what of our opponents? I’m aware of Exodus, he plays a significant role in the struggle between mutants and humans that defines much of the early 21st century.”
The Conqueror points to Spider-Man. “And that, that is an annoying pest.”
“Spider-Man.” It’s the first time the Devil-Slayer speaks since arriving. “We shouldn’t underestimate him.”
“What about him?” Batman asks. “I have no records of a Blue Beetle that looks like that.”
“I’ve certainly never met him,” agrees the Flash.
“Will you be able to handle your counterpart?” Kang asks, to which the crimson speedster nods after some deliberation.
“That just leaves Boy Blue.” Kang looks around to the others. The name and face are not recognised by any of the teammembers.
“If his name is any reference to the nursery rhyme,’ Fernus starts, ‘he would seem to have mastery of the trumpet.’ His smile grows wider.

DTL-day, 11.50

A day has nearly passed. The team has prepared individually. They have explored the battlefield, have chosen their opponents. Now they wait silently for the start of the battle. Each stands ready in his own way. Fernus is eager. Kang too cannot suppress a smile. The Flash and Devil-Slayer appear reluctant. Nobody knows what the Batman feels.
 
Okay, battle time. First, a few comments about the opposing team. It’s a team made up of largely heroes, who would have no trouble working with one another. The only spoiler character is Exodus, who would be reluctant to join forces with these people, especially since they’re not mutants. He’ll clash with the team, but grudgingly accept the need for teamwork to win the battle.

The same is applicable to my team. We’ve got two out-and-out villains, two ‘chaotic good’ characters and one definite hero. Is Kang willing to work with others? Yes, most definitely if it involves winning a battle. The DTL is not a question of good versus bad, it’s a question of winning. Conquest is Kang’s game and that is all that counts.

Fernus presents much more of a problem. The Martian is not a team-player by any means. Then again, he has nothing to gain by turning against his teammates. As is made clear to the participants from the outset, victory is required to move on and to get back home. He will be antagonistic, he will be sinister, but he won’t harm his allies until he is sure they are no longer necessary. Fernus is still a strategist. Kang will be able to convince him that teamwork is a necessity.

Now we come to the actual fighting. The matching up of opponents is pretty straight-forward. I imagine wiegeabo will see the same pattern: battle of the Flashes, telepathic contest between Exodus and Fernus, medium Kang versus medium Blue Beetle, with finally Batman facing Spider-Man while born warriors Devil-Slayer and Boy Blue face each other (also, they both have nifty cloaks).

Let’s start with Exodus and Fernus. As the resident two bad guys on the team with flight capability, they’ll certainly take their battle into the air. They might even leave the confines of the city. How do these two stack up to each other? Both have an immensely diverse set of abilities. Physically, Fernus has the edge. He has Superman-level powers, with a wide variety of applications. Fernus doesn’t match up in either speed or strength.

What about telepathy? It’s my contention that Fernus will have the edge there too. The Martian Manhunter is considered one of the greatest telepaths in the DC Universe. In raw power he can definitely match and overcome Exodus. Telekinesis too, shouldn’t be an issue. Then there’s the fact that he can phase, become invisible, has laser vision, shapeshift and can heal himself from damage almost instantly. Exodus is outclassed.

Moving on to the Flashes: Wally has learned quite a bit since he and Walter last saw each other. He’s even learned a few tricks. But he still can’t do the things Walter can, like messing with the chemicals in someone’s brain. Walter’s just as fast as Wally, but has been through a lot more and is decidedly more determined. He’ll spare Wally any hurt by taking him down quickly. Even if Wally manages to take down Walter, he’s easy prey for Fernus.

Then there’s Kang versus Blue Beetle. Kang will be surprised at first by how much power Blue Beetle’s packing. But let’s not forget that Kang’s shields have stood up to guys like Thor. He can take a bit of a punch. He can certainly dish it out as well. If raw power isn’t enough, experience and smarts will do it. The Conqueror is a master strategist that has taken down entire teams of Avengers and has come to rule over entire worlds and time periods. Add in Kryptonian technology, 853rd century technology and a few weapons out of Devil-Slayer’s cloak, and Kang has the definite advantage.

Continuing with Devil-Slayer. How about his match with Boy Blue? Devil-Slayer is good, but Boy Blue has experience on him. Devil-Slayer will be able to hold him off for a while. He’s certainly never going to run out of weapons to keep Boy Blue away from him. But the Witching Cloak tied in with Boy Blue’s long and violent history… I’ll admit Boy Blue’s got this one after a bit of a struggle. Too bad he hasn’t got a chance in hell against Fernus or Kang.

Now there’s just one battle left to discuss: Batman versus Spider-Man, in the outfit Iron Man gave him. That’ll be deactivated right from the start. The technology just doesn’t compare to anything the Jailbait-team is carrying and is the work of an amateur compared to someone like the Batman from the future. In fighting ability, Spidey’s outmatched as well. Batman has mastered just about every martial art in the galaxy. Besides that he’s got holographic projections, teleportation capabilities and an IQ of 1045.

So where does that leave us? Fernus will beat Exodus. Walter will beat Wally, but even in the case Wally manages to eek out a win, Fernus will take him out. Kang has the edge in the battle with Blue Beetle. Batman takes out Spider-Man. Only Boy Blue will manage a win, but then fall to the overwhelming might of the Jailbait-team.
 
I will debate using this synopsis.


To synopsise my battles

I had Yat try to take out Zatanna however Jugs intercepts and takes him out quickly. He then focuses on Xavier.

Zauriel aims for the vampire feeling he has the best chance only to be ambushed by Wolverine however this doesnt take either out on a count of healing abilities.

Selene tries to mind assault Zauriel but this proves in effective and in result wipes her out due to Zauriels connection to the heavens.

Wolverine disables Grodd thanks to protection from telepathy and the use of his animalistic fighting and cloak. Cap uses this fight as a distraction to get the drop on Logan.

Midnighter tries to do what Yat also attempted and tries to take out Zatanna's mouth. This is successful however it isnt fully followed through thanks to another distraction attack from Cap.

Zatanna heals herself and Cap, Zatanna and Zauriel assist Jugs in disabling Xavier. Zauriel is the key to the distraction and draws Xavier away from the others. Using his Sonic Scream he attempts to slow him down with the assistance of Zatanna's magic. She levitates him disabling his charge. Xavier retaliates with mind blasts to throw Zatanna's concentration. Juggernaut grabs Xaviers leg before he can regain his stance and launches him into the sky. Zatanna backs this by freezing his body and encasing him in ice.

Thus ending the battle...

First off, I will say your battle is very well written, better written then mine. However I find it totally preposterous and seem to completely ignore my guys powers.

Now i'll explain my battles. Juggernaut would have the strength to render Yat unconscious. He's powerful and fast enough to catch him when stood in close proximity to Zatanna.

First off since when did Juggernaut get super speed. Sodam Yat is at a Superman level of speed which is close to the speed of light not to mention he has is Green Lantern powers which offer him a shield on top of his invulnerable aura. You state Juggernaut grabs him out of the air and face slams him which put him out of the battle which is totally preposterous because Sodam Yat is extremely powerful even without the ring. He is a Daxamite. Could he do the same to Superman because essentially you are fighting Superman with a green lantern ring. The Juggernaut does not have super speed. Spiderman and Wolverine have been able to dodge his blows. Sodam Yat is infinitely faster.

Plus where is Xavier while all this is happening? He would not just sit back.

Selene's telepathy wouldnt be able to hold its own against the mind of Zauriel due to his connection with the heavens. Even Martian Manhunter has struggled to break into his mind.

Selene is not an idiot and she will have very good information of Zauriel from Sodom so in what world do you think she will atack him first and not Zodd? And if she did she does have other powers besides telepathy such as shapeshifting into the form of Zatanna and using magic herself. Plus who knows whether she can weaken him or not using her vampiric abilities.

Grodd would lose against Wolverine without his telepathy due to fighting style and Wolverine having the claws.

Ok but it would be Selene that he would be fighting. He would still lose of course.

Cap would be able to get the drop on Wolverine and even if not he should be a more skilled fighter than Logan and in a fist fight would come out on top.

You do realise this is Death Wolverine, right. That he has energy blasts, a cloaking device, a sword and a healing ability off the charts. This is not your normal Wolverine. Death was able to go toe to toe against the grey Hulk but Captain America would be able to defeat him. I do not see the logic there.

Midnighter's appraoch wouldve been effective against Zatanna however with his concentration focused on Zatanna, Cap would be able to get the drop on him without his precog ability coming into play. Then with all the other main players taken out the four remaining heroes would be able to combine their powers to take out Xavier with the right technique.

I understand this but given I think the whole premise of your initial battle is erroneus I do not see this as possible. In what world would you have Midnighter attack Zatanna. Even if this was the circumstance it is highly unlikely that Midnighter would get hit by a Shield which he could foresee in adavance. Also you do not take in account his healing which is greater then Wolverine's.
 
Odd Alliance vs AnnoyingSilence Rebute:

Victor: These are our opponents.. Common sense tells you everything about the Rulk and the Subtitle on Onslaught is a give away.

Mimic: NewSon easliy looks like Gambit from the x-men... And I know Blink... Intimately...

Victor: Yet again, I have had an epiphany. Mimic, you can Copy powers at 1/2 strength, BUT you can not copy the skills that someone has.... Misty please oblige me by saying, "ratshtron dna lirg maerd emoceb sa eno."...

Misty: ratshtron dna lirg maerd emoceb sa eno.

Northstar and Dream Girl, stunned and motionless as they are pulled together and morphed into one being...


Some things here. First, if I'm not mistaken the contenders aren't given the information in the subtitle. That's just for our own classification. So the team would see Onslaught as he is, not the Xavier/Magneto subtitle. That being the case, the best case for them is what I detailed in my write, the resemblence to Magneto. They wouldn't know anything about the Xavier aspect and thus wouldn't know to block telepathy, leaving them open to an assault by Onslaught. Also, though I didn't utilize it much in my own write up, them being open to telepathy also opens up Onslaught to seeing Dream Girl's powers and messing with her perceptions of the future, throwing off a lot of her usefulness. It's possible that they'd protect from telepathy for insurance without knowing about Xavier, but I'd like to remind voters that people never ever prepare agains everything randomly before going into a battle. How often do people enter a battle, protect themselves from telepathy, and go forward without any knowledge of their being a mental threat? It doesn't happen, so it'd be a stretch to just have a random mind protection spell placed without anything nudging it.
Also, if Gambit didn't recognize New Son as an alternate version of himself... how in the world will Mimic recognize him as Gambit? New Son's a bald guy with a blue glow... they'd have no idea who he is.
Blink's a given though, being that Mimic and the Exiles/AoA version of her dated. But he wouldn't know anything about the 616 Blink, especially her cruelty. That could be problemsome if not planned properly.

And lastly, the Northstar Dream Girl combination. This is just food for thought really, just something for the voters to think about. AS is so used to Mountjoy he probably has no problem with the idea of combining the two characters, but that's what Mountjoy is designed for. His mutant genes allow he and his "rides" to exist. Yes, magic is involved here, but neither Mimic or Dream Girl's physique are designed to be grafted. Nor are their minds prepared to be combined as one. Is it possible that, even with magic, this type of union would kill them or give them some sort of shock? I know you can often give magic the benefit of the doubt to do whatever you feel like, but I've always had a problem with that so this is a bit odd for me to accept... but not know whether or not it would or wouldn't work, I leave it in the hands of the voters to decide.


Battle:

NYC:
Wrong location :)
New Krypton! But I don't think it really matters.



As Rulk is teleported onto Mimics Back, Mimics puts all his force into gravities way... Reacting Onslaught pauses Blink, waiting and having the whole team teleported to Rulks crash site.

Doom Commands NG to stop looking towards the future and retrieve Misty(on the way down(they are hundreds of feet in the air) as Rulk squeezes Mimic with his legs and is meet by a Dooms thundering punch to the jaw, Seperating Mimic, sending Rulk tumbling into the very center of tower 1, Doom Following, Odd Alliance arriving at the Impact area....

As the team teleports to Doom, Doom: NG!

Everyone shuts thier eyes as NG snaps his fingers (blinding The Rulk)(and coincidentally the rest of the Odd Alliance at the enterance of the crash). Doom Backs off of The Rulk as Mimic and NG quickly drag him out of the building, and toss him as far out the windows as possible.
So being that Doom decks Rulk while still on Mimic's back hundreds of feet in the air, that Doom's on the surfer's board. Now, my question is... what exactly was Rulk doing with Mimic other than just holding onto him? He isn't shown doing any damage or even any offensive manuever, and he just lets Doom up and deck him? He's not stupid. He's a very military-minded, strategic character. He'd know his suroundings, and if Doom came upon him, he'd react, defend himself, turn the blow against Mimic, something. And after one punch by Doom, Rulk is out enough to be blinded and then just tossed out a window? He's taken blows by Savage Hulk, Silver Surfer, and others. This is an example of underplaying the character. This early (temporary) remove of Rulk is too easy and could have been diverted fairly easily.

What people don't understand about Mimic having NorthStars power, theoritically Northstar can go 99% the speed of light. now, half that is still crazy fast with crazy reflexes and agility, plus Mimic has his increased durability from colossus' armor to aid.
And as soon as he utilizes this colossus armor he becomes Onslaught's plaything due to his Magneto powers.

Sensing this energy in the air, Victor focus' on it, knowing Xaviers telepathy just like all powers is an energy. And as such Victor Von Doom can maniplulate it through the very power that makes the cosmos, sending a paralizing shock to Onslaughts mind, dropping his shield.
Again, Doom would have no idea about Onslaught's telepathy and thus wouldn't know to focus on it.

NorthGirl and Mimic Vs. NewSon, Orphan(no powers) and Blink

As Onslaughts magnetic field drops, NG swoops in, knocks Blink into an open area and makes quick work of a "normal" Orphan. Dodging NewSons attack.
"Northgirl" would most likely find it impossible to dodge New Son's attack. The reason is that his speed createds kinetic energy and New Son can follow and expose that. So the kinetic energy that follows him/her would be either A) drained of all kinetic energy, which would stop the speed and still NG, or B) explode even as he/she runs/flies. New Son doesn't have to touch you to use his powers, just see or feel the energy.

As planned, Blink teleports next to Onslaught and is unexpectedly WHOOMPED by a circling Mimic with a knock out blow(his whole focus in knocking her out to clear her from battle, leaving himself open), which in return and in the same manner, NewSon after building his energy explodes leaving nothing from the opening to the middle of the skyscraper.... But Doom.
Again, Onslaught could telepathically hear Mimic's thoughts and even control his mind if necessary, and Mimic is Colossus'd up as you said earlier, so he can stop him before he even touches Blink. And most likely, since Mimic would be seeing his AoA/Exiles Blink in this girl, he'd likely hesitate a bit before doing anything to her, wondering if there is any connection. Still more time for a counter, from Onslauht and Blink both.

Onslaught wretchs the board from the air, creating a wormhole in the middle of the board, distrupting the connecting between Doom and itself. Onslaught turns his attention as Such, but is met from behind by NG whos is beating on his back is actually causing some damage to the armor of Onslaught stunning him, Mimic joins in with much harder hits. In retaliation a massive burst of magnetically/telepathically charged energy bubble rips through the tower, a desperate move for a surrounded warrior, now exhausted from the tantrum.
Doom lays motionless as the two speedsters are unaffected(Before the Release, NG grabbed Mimic and they flew to safety on the opposite side of the building outside). As the tower begins to sway Mimic beats on the already weakened Onslaught while NG grabs Dooms body. Onslaught goes the way of the tower and is done..
Onslaught can't create wormholes I don't think. But besides that, this scenerio likely wouldn't work. He should be able to mentally stop everyone around him, telekinetically or magnetically assault or kill those around him, and forcefully draw strength from the mental energies of those around him (weakening them, as he did to Dark Beast). At no point would he be exhausted or even worried at this point. And then to just suddenly be "done" when the tower falls on him. Remember, he's telekinetic and magnetic. The tower falling... wouldn't fall. He'd hold it up, and likely even use it as a weapon against those who fight him.
Onslaught's the Odd Alliance's most powerful player, and this scenerio in no way would stop or even wind him.

NorthGirl: Rulk in: 3 seconds...
And so while everyone else was fighting, Rulk was just sitting around in his tower or wherever? Dude can heal like the regular Hulk, and he can take a beating like the Hulk can. Seriously, his removal so that the rest of the team can be defeated leaving the AS team to work together against him is a bit stretching it. He would have been out and fighting them well before now. And I won't quote the whole battle but I still feel that the Red Hulk was extremely underplayed during this entire battle. He's not a brute just randomly punching around. As I said before, he's very strategic and smart. He's a soldier, and with the powers of the Hulk plus some. He's taken out the likes of Thor, Silver Surfer, Savage Hulk, and more. Mimic wouldn't last long against him and Dream Girl would be dead in a heartbeat. The cosmicly powered punch by Doom miiiiiiiigggghhhht knock him out based on a Cosmicly Powered Hulk robot thing pulling it off (after several punches though), but it's a stretch.
And honestly, the moment Rulk realizes that Doom has the Power Cosmic (as should be obvious from the first moment of hte battle due to Surfer's board) he'd target Doom and pull that power right out of him just like he did in my write up. Honestly, Doom isn't a threat to Rulk at all, and likely wouldn't even be much of a factor in the match at all, as I showed with my write up. It's the whole reason I put Rulk into the match this week was to counter Doom's Power Cosmic. To not deal with it is like putting Silver Surfer into a match and just not using his board.
So yeah, that's it. Some good ideas I feel but there were also far too many liberties. I feel that Rulk and Onslaught were both underplayed, and I think you overplayed your hand with Misty's magic doing whatever you want to stack the deck in your favor (but that could just be my bias due to my hating the "anything goes" of magic in comics). I don't believe that the team would feel a need to protect against telepathy being that they wouldn't know anything about Xavier's aspect of Onslaught, and if you use an excuse of it's just smart to prepare anyhow... then why aren't they preparing for magical attacks, and cosmic attacks, and energy attacks, and mechanical attacks, and every other attack that could possibly come? It's because you dont' prepare against any coming attack, you see what you're against, and then prepare for it. And also with Onslaught, you never had him use his telekinetic or magnetic abilities... both of which could have taken out many of the AnnoyingSilence team. In my write up I tried to utilize everyone's skills and abilities and show how my team could still overcome them. I feel you didn't give the Odd Alliance that treatment and weakened them to prove the AnnoyingSilence team the better... and thus, failed.
Anyhow, yeah.... my team rules.
Winner - Odd Alliance
 
I will debate using this synopsis.




First off, I will say your battle is very well written, better written then mine. However I find it totally preposterous and seem to completely ignore my guys powers.

Ok well if there is a lack of display of your characters powers then I apologise...I did rush this write up just to get it on and lack in the detail I may have liked...also my line up was the initial prior to any I saw from you and purely on bad time keeping of my own I couldnt make adjustments and as such I will admit I feel my team is out matched in the Uber stakes.

First off since when did Juggernaut get super speed. Sodam Yat is at a Superman level of speed which is close to the speed of light not to mention he has is Green Lantern powers which offer him a shield on top of his invulnerable aura. You state Juggernaut grabs him out of the air and face slams him which put him out of the battle which is totally preposterous because Sodam Yat is extremely powerful even without the ring. He is a Daxamite. Could he do the same to Superman because essentially you are fighting Superman with a green lantern ring. The Juggernaut does not have super speed. Spiderman and Wolverine have been able to dodge his blows. Sodam Yat is infinitely faster.

With this it wasnt very clear but I didnt have Jugs move at super speed. He was just very close to Zatanna, and by close I mean within arms reach and with Yat aiming for Zatanna and Jugs being invulnerable he had no qualms with stepping in her way. They all saw the green blur leave the boom tube portal and knew what was coming. Sory if this depicted Yat as weaker or slower but thats how I chose to write it. As for him being taken out, even other lanterns could be taken out with one hit, yes Yat maybe Superman level power but that doesnt mean he can't be knocked unconscious from one off flukes or a large amount of strength which Jugs has.

Plus where is Xavier while all this is happening? He would not just sit back.

Like I said your team came out of a Boom tube and didnt fall nice and neatly in a row next to mine. (just personal preference for my write up to be honest) so therefore Xavier wouldnt be with Yat and like you also admitted yourself...Jugs cant move at the same speed thus meaning neither can Xavier even if he wanted to keep up

Selene is not an idiot and she will have very good information of Zauriel from Sodom so in what world do you think she will atack him first and not Zodd? And if she did she does have other powers besides telepathy such as shapeshifting into the form of Zatanna and using magic herself. Plus who knows whether she can weaken him or not using her vampiric abilities.

I wasnt for a second trying to down play your character. Like i said it was rushed but Zauriel is well versed in the knowledge of magic and has a connection to the heavens allowing him to see through tricks...there was an issue also where he fought a vampiric style creature that when it tried to use its vampire bite etc it actually burnt its mouth and throat due to his purity...I doubt Selenes powers would have much effect in that department. Other than TK her TP was the best weapon and with Zauriel being on the floor and at a disadvantage I wrote her as trying for the quickest takedown being mind blast which just back fired...

As for her attacking Grodd...yes in your write up maybe but in mine I played it strategically..if i wanted your team to out right win then yes id play it based on your write up.

Ok but it would be Selene that he would be fighting. He would still lose of course.

Again Grodd may face Selene in yours but in mine i chose another route..

You do realise this is Death Wolverine, right. That he has energy blasts, a cloaking device, a sword and a healing ability off the charts. This is not your normal Wolverine. Death was able to go toe to toe against the grey Hulk but Captain America would be able to defeat him. I do not see the logic there.

There has been plenty of regs who have gone toe to toe with Hulk and still come out on top...you have to remember Death Wolverine is still Wolverine...in a fight one on one I personally think Cap would pip him. Thats why this fight went the way it did.

I understand this but given I think the whole premise of your initial battle is erroneus I do not see this as possible. In what world would you have Midnighter attack Zatanna. Even if this was the circumstance it is highly unlikely that Midnighter would get hit by a Shield which he could foresee in adavance. Also you do not take in account his healing which is greater then Wolverine's.

If you face Zatanna without magic she just a regular girl...if Midnighter got the drop on her which he did its an even battle. And whilst midnighter may be a master strategist if he doesnt have Cap even in his sights then he cant add him to his precog plans. And his healing may be better than Wolverines but its not healing that brings you round from being knocked unconscious if you're knocked out then you're knocked out..

And thus concludes my rebuttle of your comments and I will now begin my debate of your write up.
 
The Battle

As soon as the battle starts, Sodam Yat flies in at super speed (close to the speed of light) and gags Zatanna instantly within a fraction of a second, then knocking her out.

Ok this I can see as being believe able and in the context of your write up I have no issues with

Xavier Juggernaut and the Juggernaut go after each other. As they battle they realise they are evenly matched. However, Xavier using his mind realises he needs to take off Marko's helmet which he does eventually with the help of Sodam who arrives. Thereafter, Marko with no psychic protection falls under the telepathic might of Xavier.

Again much like mine these two would look to face off and this tactic would be a preferred one.

Selene fights Grodd disguised as Zatanna. Their telepathic battle starts off difficultly for Selene but she gets stronger while draining Gorila Grodd as the battle continues. She does not even resort to magic using her other powers to take this match. SHe however does not enjoy the taste of Grodd's psychic essence.

This I feel has been written in purely for your write ups benefit. Grodd being an intelligent animal wouldnt favourable go for someone he was out matched for. He may try as a matter of pride but he would ideally go for someone less powered like a reg. Zauriel would be more suited against Selene as he is almost the exact opposite of her in terms of Evil and Pure.

Midnighter fights Captain America and realises what moves he has to do to win but also realises that the moves would take hours upon hours. He however continues hoping for a chnage in the one they call Captian America.

Even with this battle as much precog as Midnighter could use Cap would probably still out match him in the stamina/ strength department. Whilst he may suffer from the precog it wouldnt altogether stop him. He could take Spiderman who has a type of precog sense.

Death has great difficulty against Zauriel but keeps the battle going using his cloaking powers and great healing abilities striking here and there with energy blasts. He teleports away trying to avoid Zauriel's scream. However, he is in a losing battle and it is only through the help of Sodam Yat who flies in with Xavier that he finally puts him down.

Zauriel vs Wolverine would end poorly for Wolverine. Zauriel is too skilled and with his healing factor and flight he would have an advantage over Wolverine. I also was under the impression that Ubers could not attack regs unless it was in retaliation. Therefore Yat and Xavier both attacking a reg in this situation wouldnt be allowed...I could be wrong and would have to check with Weig on that but that was my understanding.

Xavier also puts down Captain America using his mind.

The Immortals do have greater fire power and they would know how to use it.

Death Wolverine and Midnighter will have difficulties but with their healing and Midnighter's procognitave abilities should be able to hold them off until one of the Ubers come help which should seal the case.

Again Xavier attacking cap prior to being attacked by the reg himself is I believe a breach of rules.

In terms of Regs and Meds battle up I think it would go in favour of HOTNA but an all out Ubers vs ubers would go to The immortals however with the right strategy (ie mine) the battle would be more favourable to the HOTNA
 
I guess we don't debate, wieg? Leave it up to the voters for the first week?

My votes:
Odd Alliance
The Immortals
 
Ok this I can see as being believe able and in the context of your write up I have no issues with



Again much like mine these two would look to face off and this tactic would be a preferred one.

No argument from me here but in reply to your rebut of what I said. First, I never suggested Sodom physically gags here with his hands given he has a ring and knows how to use it. Second even if Jugernaut was standing next to her he would not have a chance to strike out as he will alread have gone by before he has tensed his muscles.

Laso lets note that xavier has the ame amount of speed. If he would be too slow so would the Juggernaut.



This I feel has been written in purely for your write ups benefit. Grodd being an intelligent animal wouldnt favourable go for someone he was out matched for. He may try as a matter of pride but he would ideally go for someone less powered like a reg. Zauriel would be more suited against Selene as he is almost the exact opposite of her in terms of Evil and Pure.

I just have both meds fight against each other.


Even with this battle as much precog as Midnighter could use Cap would probably still out match him in the stamina/ strength department. Whilst he may suffer from the precog it wouldnt altogether stop him. He could take Spiderman who has a type of precog sense.

Midnighter is stronger and has more stamina then Cap. He is superhuman and Cap is just ultimate human.



Zauriel vs Wolverine would end poorly for Wolverine. Zauriel is too skilled and with his healing factor and flight he would have an advantage over Wolverine. I also was under the impression that Ubers could not attack regs unless it was in retaliation. Therefore Yat and Xavier both attacking a reg in this situation wouldnt be allowed...I could be wrong and would have to check with Weig on that but that was my understanding.

I never suggested otherwise. His whole tactic is holding him off until others can come and help.



Again Xavier attacking cap prior to being attacked by the reg himself is I believe a breach of rules.

In terms of Regs and Meds battle up I think it would go in favour of HOTNA but an all out Ubers vs ubers would go to The immortals however with the right strategy (ie mine) the battle would be more favourable to the HOTNA

Xavier can attack once all the Ubers have been taken care which is what he does here.
 
My votes:

The Immortals - 5
Heroes of A New Age - 4

Jailbait - 8
Chaos & Order - 7
 
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Here are mine:


The Immortals

The Odd Alliance 7
Annoying Silence 6

Jailbait 8
Chaos 7
 
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The Odd Alliance 7/10
Annoying Silence 5/10


Chaos & Order 8/10
Jailbait 6/10

Heroes Of The New Age
A resounding 10/10 hee hee ( and yes I understand my own vote doesnt count but I wanted to see my teams name atleast once in the voting :-( )

I thought it was an out of 10 score so what one team gets the other team gets the rest...
 
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I never suggested otherwise. His whole tactic is holding him off until others can come and help.





Xavier can attack once all the Ubers have been taken care which is what he does here.

No Xavier cannot attack a reg at all until that said regular has attacked him first...its like a vampire not being allowed in a building until he's been invited in first...( its the best comparison I could come up with) with that in mind you have kind of breached the rules but I think week 1 is always an iron out the kinks process anyway and clearly it hasnt affected voting in your favour...(not that im bitter or anything)
 
The Odd Alliance 5
Annoying Silence 3

The Immortals 6
Heroes of the New Age 5



(Just to be clear how I assign points. It's not like grades where 7/10 is a C and 9/10 is an A. For me, 5 is average, 3 is below average, 7 is above average, 9 is awesome. But everyone is free to use whatever 10 point scale they want as long as they remain consistent in its use.)
 
The Immortals - 5
Heroes of A New Age - 4

Jailbait - 8
Chaos & Order - 7

finally got to this
 
I know this isnt necessary but could I maybe get a little feedback from people on my write up/strategy...pm me or something
 

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