Eckhart Eyeing Green Lantern?

[cerealkiller182]

Depends on the character.

Maybe, but probably not for GL

How do you expect the public to find out their origins? They're not going to read the comics and most comic franchises don't have the clout to get tv shows or cartoons.

Come on seriously. Filmmakers have to painstakingly go through the entirety of Hal Jordans origin. Every filmmaker says something along these lines, "Now that we are done with the origin, we can actually get to some good stuff." Basically watching some person have to fumble with their powers and have something terrible happen to them(or vice versa) than become inspired to be the hero they are. Yawn!

Hal is just a pilot who is given a ring anyway. All you really need is a prologue of him in a flight simulator (or his fathers old plane I believe Johns wrote) and have the ring "choose" him. Johns story definitely has a lot more going on than this and its pretty good. It wouldnt be a horrible story to tell I just dont know why everyone has to see it as an essential first installment. A sequel is never guaranteed, might as well get creative.

Did you know anything about Jedis before Star Wars? You learned about the history of the empire and the jedis as a seperate story progressed.

They can do that by making a GL Corps. franchise after GL is established with Hal. Starting a GL movies showing everyone to fast could overwhelm the audience if they have no prior introduction with the franchise.

It has the same scope as any blockbuster epic like LOTR or Star Wars or Pirates. Its also what differentiates itself from all other superhero movies. GL as not just some guy in tights with superpowers. He is a member of an elite interstellar law enforcement group. IF anything its the bigger draw than just some other spandex clad dude with superpowers

 

[CommanderRiker]

I agree with your cereal. Jump in during the live action, and not during the birth.

 

[The Major]

Maybe, but probably not for GL

I disagree if they're using Jordan as the star.

He works better older.

Come on seriously. Filmmakers have to painstakingly go through the entirety of Hal Jordans origin. Every filmmaker says something along these lines, "Now that we are done with the origin, we can actually get to some good stuff." Basically watching some person have to fumble with their powers and have something terrible happen to them(or vice versa) than become inspired to be the hero they are. Yawn!

That's unavoidable.

Hal is just a pilot who is given a ring anyway. All you really need is a prologue of him in a flight simulator (or his fathers old plane I believe Johns wrote) and have the ring "choose" him.

Of course they'd use that.

But that's only part of Hal's origin and how complex Hal's life is.

Johns story definitely has a lot more going on than this and its pretty good. It wouldnt be a horrible story to tell I just dont know why everyone has to see it as an essential first installment.

Because its the current version of GL in the comics. A movie wouldn't to adapt every panel of it just use the basic idea and key scenes which would fit their story.

A sequel is never guaranteed, might as well get creative.

Then they had better do their best with the first movies then. Not throw everything at a wall and hope it sticks.

Did you know anything about Jedis before Star Wars? You learned about the history of the empire and the jedis as a seperate story progressed.

You're adding to my argument to save the Corps. for the sequel with this.

It has the same scope as any blockbuster epic like LOTR or Star Wars or Pirates. Its also what differentiates itself from all other superhero movies. GL as not just some guy in tights with superpowers. He is a member of an elite interstellar law enforcement group. IF anything its the bigger draw than just some other spandex clad dude with superpowers

I know all that.

I'm saying you don't need to show everything at once to be a success. There's a lot of ground to cover. They could make several movies from this franchise with many spin-offs and sub-franchises with other Earth GLs. They need to get WB to realize that.

The best ways to do that is by making the best movies possible. A good Hal origin doesn't need the entire GL mythos explained in minute detail to work. They'd risk going into the DD trap.

Riker:

The action means nothing without the birth.

 

[cerealkiller182]

But thats what an origin is, mythos explained in minute detail. If they werent explaining mythos then it isnt an origin.

 

[The Major]

But thats what an origin is, mythos explained in minute detail.

The origin is the start of the mythos. Not all of it.

Hal Jordan's origin would cover a lot of information without adding the detailed Corps. into it. They could explain the basics briefly, but not every single thing.

If they werent explaining mythos then it isnt an origin.

You can explain some of the mythos in an origin but not all of it.

 

[cerealkiller182]

They can still start with Hal as a senior member of the Corps. and still explain information of how he started. You dont have to start with hal going "ooo what is that green ring?" and procede from there.

 

[The Major]

They can still start with Hal as a senior member of the Corps. and still explain information of how he started. You dont have to start with hal going "ooo what is that green ring?" and procede from there.

True.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Hell, you can start with Kyle or Guy or John and still explain how Hal got started. Im not against explaining origin, but most of the time it does not have to depicted.

 

[The Major]

Hell, you can start with Kyle or Guy or John and still explain how Hal got started.

Which would eat up valuable screen time.

Im not against explaining origin, but most of the time it does not have to depicted.

What instances do you think it shouldn't have been shown?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Which would eat up valuable screen time.

Not true. The movie would be about one of the three taking over for and trying to live up to Hal. He is a staple of the Corps and will always be remembered for it.

What instances do you think it shouldn't have been shown?

Anything that isnt, hero gets power, hero learns power, hero saves day. Thank god Iron man has a charismatic leading man or else that movie would have not been the juggernaut it was.

 

[The Major]

Not true. The movie would be about one of the three taking over for and trying to live up to Hal.

Which won't mean as much if the audience doesn't see how good hal is first.

He is a staple of the Corps and will always be remembered for it.

I agree.

But he isn't the only character good enough to star in solo films.

Anything that isnt, hero gets power, hero learns power, hero saves day.

How goes its executed depends on how entertaining the movie will be.

That's all in the film makers hands.

Thank god Iron man has a charismatic leading man or else that movie would have not been the juggernaut it was.

That did help, I agree though a charismatic lead is something every film needs.

RDJ's performance was great in itself but it wouldn't have done as well without the good cast and production to interact with.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Which won't mean as much if the audience doesn't see how good hal is first.

Why would you think that? The audience isnt that stupid. If the GL are like Hal was the best that ever was, than the audience will think that Hal was the best that ever was.

But he isn't the only character good enough to star in solo films.

Which is why I am making this argument

How goes its executed depends on how entertaining the movie will be.

That's all in the film makers hands.

You think I dont know what the filmmakers can do?

That did help, I agree though a charismatic lead is something every film needs.

RDJ's performance was great in itself but it wouldn't have done as well without the good cast and production to interact with.

The plotline could have been way more in depth, but it wasnt. Pretty basic superhero story. Without RDJ it would have been nothing special, just run of the mill.

 

[The Major]

Why would you think that? The audience isnt that stupid. If the GL are like Hal was the best that ever was, than the audience will think that Hal was the best that ever was.

Only if the film shows him as the best GL that ever was.

They could do that with any GL not just Hal.

Which is why I am making this argument

Okay.

You think I dont know what the filmmakers can do?

Sorry.

The plotline could have been way more in depth, but it wasnt. Pretty basic superhero story.

True.

Without RDJ it would have been nothing special, just run of the mill.

Depends on how the actor who replaced him was and how good their performance ended up being.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Only if the film shows him as the best GL that ever was.

They could do that with any GL not just Hal.

They could do it with any GL but they most likely wont. The point is very simple. In my business school classes, they talk about methods of motivation, one of which was "legend." Basically, in order to motivate workers to be better the bosses would talk about a former or senior employee, who used to be in their position and was the best, in order to get workers to be more like him.

Depends on how the actor who replaced him was and how good their performance ended up being.

I didnt mean RDJ specifically, just that the performance was strong, strongest part of the movie.

 

[The Major]

They could do it with any GL but they most likely wont. The point is very simple. In my business school classes, they talk about methods of motivation, one of which was "legend." Basically, in order to motivate workers to be better the bosses would talk about a former or senior employee, who used to be in their position and was the best, in order to get workers to be more like him.

Okay.

I didnt mean RDJ specifically, just that the performance was strong, strongest part of the movie.

I agree with you about that.

 

[The Guard]

Hal definitely works better older, as a slightly washed up version of a dying dream. Green Lantern's origin ties in pretty closely to what Green Lantern is and what he's about when he's at his best, so showing the origin isn't really going to hinder the film. Green Lantern shouldn't be about the ring. It should be about the man behind the ring, and what he has to do to make himself into a superhero.

 

[DavidTyler]

Hal's not exactly supposed to be a youngster.

I'd really rather see the start of his career and not the end.

I want the younger Hal.

 

[Savage]

Well I'd prefer the middle. Older Hal. Get straight to the good and interesting stuff and not the "40 minutes before he's in costume and then an additional 30 minutes until he's actually competant" stuff.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It's like saying Sam Sheppard was too old to play Chuck Yeager in The Right Stuff.


Not.

 

[The Guard]

I have no idea why you all would think it'd just be boring for 40 minutes and then suddenly he'd have a ring.

I'd really rather see the start of his career and not the end.

I want the younger Hal.

Even younger Hal's not generally portrayed as a youngster. He's a washed up test pilot who's been trying to crack the space program for years. Isn't he usually in his mid thirties or so? Not saying that's not young, mind you...

I'm thinking origin Hal could be nearly 40 and not lose a bit for it. Even if that's a bit of a change to the source material, I think the character would be better and more interesting for it. Personally, I think Barry Allen would work well in that vein as well.

 

[The Major]

I have no idea why you all would think it'd just be boring for 40 minutes and then suddenly he'd have a ring.



Even younger Hal's not generally portrayed as a youngster. He's a washed up test pilot who's been trying to crack the space program for years. Isn't he usually in his mid thirties or so? Not saying that's not young, mind you...

I'm thinking origin Hal could be nearly 40 and not lose a bit for it. Even if that's a bit of a change to the source material, I think the character would be better and more interesting for it. Personally, I think Barry Allen would work well in that vein as well.

Agreed.

 

[Webhead2006]

Now i dont know much on origin of some dc characters but wasnt barry allen and hal jordan when they became flash and green lantern in their early/mid-late 20s?

 

[DavidTyler]

Hal was in his late 20's when he recieved the ring. The oldest I'd like to see him played is early 30's.

 

[The Major]

Now i dont know much on origin of some dc characters but wasnt barry allen and hal jordan when they became flash and green lantern in their early/mid-late 20s?

That was fine with the Silver Age. It's not going to be convincing in the present era.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Ha! Eckhart is no GL or Cap. Sorry.