The Amazing Spider-Man Eddie Brock in the Reboot

[I'm Venom]

I want to see Brock done right. Who do you guys want to see play Brock?

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

Jensen Ackles FTW!

As for the character, I definetly want him done right this time. SM3's Brock wasn't bad, character-wise, but Grace wasn't bulk enough. As for Venom, he was screwed for sure, not just story-wise, but also visually! In some sequences he looked OK, in some he looked terrible. I want Venom to be done right this time and that includes:

- No teaming up with another villain! His quest against Spider-Man needs to be done by himself only aka SOLO!;
- Let him be vicious, terrorizing Parker everytime!;
- Venom needs to have a whole movie to himself (sure, I wouldn't mind a villain with a minor role, like Shocker, for some more action sequences), but let the story focus on Spider-Man having to deal with Venom;
- Have Venom reffering to himself as "WE";
- He shouldn't scream like a pu$$y, he should "ROAR!" with an alien-like voice, not a stupid sharp sound that makes my ears bleed;
- Like in Spider-Man 3, give Brock GOOD reasons to hate Spider-Man, not like it was done in the comics, actually develop it (I can't believe I'm giving SM3 as an example now, but it's one of the few things done right in it, so I have to!).

It's all I think of atm. That being said, I do hope we get a proper Venom this time and I'm curious to see what's in store with the new franchise. So far, things look really promising imo! Let's wait & see how it turns out in the end.

 

[Infinity9999x]

There are lots of ways to make the character of Eddie Brock more interesting in this films series.

To begin with, they need to make him their own character. Because, let's be honest, Eddie Brock's origin in 616 comics was atrocious. He was just thrown in there. The following cartoons and USM did a better job of making Brock interesting then the original comics.

I don't mind the SSM route, mixing his 616 look with a bit of USM personality. It makes for a very interesting relationship when he finally does go the Venom route. Cut the "bro" stuff obviously, but other then that, it was great.

Either way, I think I'd like it if they don't start off making Brock completely *****e-bagy, or a completely sympathetic character. He should be a bit ambiguous. If you go with the college childhood friend thing, have him be buds with Peter, but have some instances where you wonder if Brock's a little off kilter. Kind of like Harvey Dent's scene where he threatened the goon with the gun in TDK.

Same if you make him a competing photographer or journalist. Maybe have him not be a complete dick to Peter, kind of take him under his wing, but he may take advantage of Pete too.

A lot of people automatically say HELLZ NO! To Venom, simply because the character was overexposed to hell in the 90s, and even still today. But, if done right, Venom could be a great one-time Villain three to four movies down the road. Just do a good job of making Brock an interesting supporting character.

 

[thebatsam]

I personally love the 90's series take on Brock
Eddie Brock had become someone who had lost everything thanks to a combination of Spider-man and Parker
once the symbiote bonds to him and he knows the truth, this exponentially increases his rage to the point of insanity basically

 

[Venom75]

I'd love for them to go the SSM route and make Eddie Peter's best friend instead of a rival photographer. So,they could have him there from the beginning kinda like Harry Osborn was in Raimi's films.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I didn't like SM3's Brock or Venom.

I like it better when Venom has a personality and Brock is a big guy.

In SM3, Venom is more like Carnage.

 

[irapogi]

i think the way eddie brock and venom and even the symbiote, i think the way they were handled in Spectacular Spider-man is one of the best versions for me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The tssm route would be good. I could see Brock as a senior lab assistant for connors at the university( while parker is a freshman), and former athlete due to a torn acl. That would show Brock wasn't just athletic but intelligent as well.

 

[Venom'sDad]

There are lots of ways to make the character of Eddie Brock more interesting in this films series.

To begin with, they need to make him their own character. Because, let's be honest, Eddie Brock's origin in 616 comics was atrocious. He was just thrown in there.

This character has to be re-invented to give him reason, a real mature motivation, and history... and it starts first with Eddie Brock and the Symbiote individually; than second, the contrasting cause & effect that is Venom. Something they really never address, with any real reason, in the comics ,cartoon, and definitely not in his brief moment on film.

I simply prefer him to be a soulless person who possess very little regard to what we call the true embodiment of the human spirit. He has been bad person, a reprehensible and appalling human being, for most of his life, as evident in the little trailer I have written below(for example). He knows no other way. Yet what little hope of redemption he find, that could have possibly changed his life therefore, lays in a casket. He is what he is; and now, has become what he has become… a threat to Spidey, and humanity itself.

With the reboot in all, I think the Venom spin-off should coincide with the rebooted Spidey franchise once the Spidey franchise introduce the Symbiote. Introduce solely, Eddie Brock in the Spidey reboot. Then the Spin-off could build & tell the story of Brock and him succumbing to the Symbiote; as well as, dealing with some nefarious adversaries(The Jury, a few of SHIELD Agents maybe, even Carnage created by Miles Warren), leading to a final climax versus Spidey, in a Spidey film. Thereby, not investing time on Brock/Symbiote/Venom characters in a Spidey film, allowing the rebooted Spidey franchise time to devote to other villains in it series of films.

Example: introduce Eddie as a small supporting cast member, introduce the Symbiote in Spidey3 maybe, with the creation of Venom being a cliffhanger at the end... unbeknown to Spidey. Spidey4 & 5 could feature other stories and villains; while simultaneously, Venom 1 & 2 takes place... with the two climaxing in Spidey6. Have the two films continuity mirror each other, til the films coincide with the final climax. How great would that be, with the anticipation of the two finally meet.

It would definitely be unique, never before done.... thinking outside the box.

Again, I prefer Venom to be the vicious/remorseless beast that he is; and, Eddie Brock to have a real foundation of who the man was before the bond. IMO, the film should re-invent the character and be based on this relentless combo as told from his POV… and maybe, just maybe, we can view and understand just why this unstoppable force is the greatest threat to Spidey and humanity.
　
This is why I propose they do two films(to coincide with Spidey4 & 5) in order to devote proper time in developing the character along the way, pierce into his psyche, and the effects of the Symbiote, as he approach his climatic confrontation with Spiderman. I know it will never happen and I’m sure most can not imagine what I’m saying or think should happen; however, I‘m trying to give a glimpse how it can be done. Here’s a quick synopsis of the first of the two film.

　
“Venom”
　
Although the story starts off full of action, from the get-go, with Venom already existing; the story details the chronological path that lead Eddie Brock to the single event & revelation that change his life forever… and it’s not what you think. Unbeknownst as to why, he is being sought after by a fierce elite team of agents, as he search for the prime opportunity to strike, the source of his anguish and pain… and will kill any and everything, that get in his way. Here’s a brief teaser.

　
The Following PREVIEW Has Been Approved For ALL AUDIENCES By The Motion Pictures Association Of America
　
The screen is black, the interlude of Phil Collins, “In the Air Tonight” continuous plays throughout, as Eddie Brock voice-over narrates.
　
“My whole life, I have always been the antagonist.” A quick scene fades in of a nine year old Brock throwing a ball with all of his intense might, at an opponent, in a game of dodge ball. The screen fades to black.
　
“The one everyone gawks at… intensely.” The next frame slowly fades in of Brock sinisterly smiles at his poor dodge ball victim, who nose drips blood. The screen fades to black.
　
“I can feel their loathing gaze.” A quick scene fades in of a fifteen year old Brock walking out of the school’s restroom, smirking… with twelve dollars in his hand, as the student body stand by, repulsively watching. The screen fades to black.
　
“I sense their disgust.” The next frame fades in of a student stumbling out of the restroom shortly after Brock, drenched and messy, with a solemn look on his face as he collapse to his knees. The screen fades to black.
　
“Because many detest me,” A quick scene flashes of an twenty-one year old Brock stepping into the center of a circle with a bayonet, in the Iraqi desert. A soldier mouths out in searing jealousy, “kick his freaking ass Jimmy” with soldiers, encompassing the circle’s outer fringes. The screen fades to black.
　
“ and most dread being near me,” The next frame fades in of Brock delivering three quick blows(Matrix Style), thrust, 360° side slap, uppercut. The screen fades to black.
　
“I am alone.” The vocals to the music begin. “I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Lord"… as the frame slowly shows Brock dropping the bayonet as he step out of the circle… leaving a bloody and bruised mess. As Phil continue to sing…”I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord, of Lord"; another scene slowly fades into a 180° panoramic shot of Brock standing in front of a casket.
　
The music instantly pauses, Eddie Brock’s maniacal looking face appears on the screen, talking to the audience… “But not any more.” As the heavy drum interlude of “In the Air Tonight” plays… the Symbiote slowly covers, the distant, but angry look, on Brock‘s face. The screen and music suddenly goes blank…

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's a very interesting idea. And I've never thought of trying to do a Venom movie separately with Spider-man.

However, I'm just not sure I'd be all that interested in watching a film about Brock when he's basically already a completely bad person. That character is boring to me. In you're write up, Brock sounds like a sociopath with possible psychopathic tendencies, and he has no qualms about it. He likes hurting people, and that's it. When he eventually hates Peter, it really won't be that big of a deal, because the guy already hates everyone. And I won't feel bad for the dude for whatever happens to him to get him to hate Spidey.

What conflict would there be? I would prefer it if Brock is a more "gray" character. Making him Peter's childhood friend is a an interesting route. But we need to remember he never had the guiding hand of Aunt May. So possibly show scenes similar to what you're showing, indicating he may not be all that nice as a kid or even as an adult, but he's always looked out for Peter.

If he's an older man, maybe he's not a complete jerk to Pete. He kind of takes him under his wing, but at the same time he still takes advantage of him when it suits him.

I think making him a character that has some redeeming factors, but then some obvious indicators that there is something definitely wrong inside him, makes him more compelling. We may sympathize with him a bit, but we still know he's not really a nice guy. Also, a character like this would be a much more interesting supporting character then having him basically be a soulless jerk. With that, we know what we're going to get. He'll be an ******* all the time. But when he's a little more unpredictable, you could get some interesting subplots.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Infinity9999x, I may have misconstrued Venom’s persona with Brock’s. I meant that Venom was to be the soulless human being because of the effects the Symbiote has on an already troubled soul in Brock.

The conflict is that Peter befriend the much maligned and older Eddie(couple of years older). Peter feels a kinship to the volatile Eddie, because of the fact that Brock loss his parents at a young age as well. However, understanding that Eddie never had the stabling upbringing from other family members; as Peter had with his Uncle and Aunt; as well as, being somewhat an outsider, not readily accepted, and cosidered not part of the “in crowd“. Eddie does not necessarily look at Peter as a little brother; as much as, realizing the similarity of their situation, and wishing he had the stabling influence of loving family members, that Peter was fortunate to have. Although they have a somewhat contentious relationship, Peter has become Eddie’s best friend; the only one that reach out and gave Eddie the time of day.

The hatred for Peter later become manifested because of the “Death of Gwen Stacy”(symbolic of the casket). Because of Peter and Gwen relationship, Gwen befriends Eddie as well and Eddie has become fond of her. Wish he could be involved in such a loving and calming personality, compared to the particular young women that Brock regularly frequent. So what redeeming possibility that could have arouse from his friendship with Peter & Gwen, and possibly change Eddie life for the better, was ruin when Gwen was killed by the Green Goblin. Peter was not the only one affected by Gwen’s demise.

When Eddie learns what actually transpired in the event that led up to Gwen’s death and the death itself, once the Symbiote bonded with him and revealed a distorted version of the said events; Eddie holds Peter responsible for the loss of this ray of sunshine, instead of the Green Goblin. Mainly because the Green Goblin was thought to allegedly be killed by Symbiote Spidey, which lead Peter to realize the Symbiote is engulfing him and rid himself of it completely. Whereas Eddie embraces the Symbiote, gives in to it, and feels wanted by it… he does not feel lonely ever again.

All of these things would be revealed and explain much more clearly in the Venom films... that would play out simultaneously with the Spider-Man 4 & 5 films. As we get a glimpse into Eddie’s history, pierce his psyche, and growing hatred of Peter. All while Eddie/Venom is preoccupied with other factors or distractions(SHIELD/Jury) he has to deal with, as he waits for the right time to punish Peter/Spiderman. Unbeknownst to Eddie why he’s being hunted down by SHIELD Agents and The Jury(who is working for a big Industrialist), whom all seeks the Symbiote, to bio re-engineer it into a weapon… which consequently and eventually leads to Venom 2 and the creation of Carnage. Before Venom finally get his opportunity in a Spidey film, to go after his prey, his source of so much anger and hatred, Peter/Spiderman.

Again, I know it want happen; but, this is the very lack of imagination I think Sony, Webb, the writers, and anyone else directly involve with franchise, is missing. As well as the fact and understanding that the character Eddie Brock/Venom needs re-inventing maturely, with a more realistic motivation… without sacrificing time and development in Spidey films.

 

[©KAW]

Okay, now we're starting to ask for too much. We wanted Gwen to start the first film, and we wanted The Lizard (or most people did anyway) and got it. We're going to have to draw the line somewhere.

By the way, Eddie wouldn't be bad, but I don't want him working in the Daily Bugle, let him work at a rival News Paper gig.

 

[storyteller]

Venom is simply not a 3 dimensional character. Somewhere along the line, people though that Venom was introduced as a deep character. He simply isn't. They through him in to get rid of the black suit.

To do Brock done right is what Raimi did. To make Brock a real adversary you need to reinvent him.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Venom himself is a cool, visually appealing character. He's fun to look at, and offers some neat throwaway battles. And yeah, he's a Marvel vs Capcom favourite of mine.

But that's it.

He's a popcorn villain. Nothing he offers storywise can't be covered by a bigger and better villain. For all the depth he's got beyond the stalking and screwing with Peter's life, he may as well be a gooey black Rhino. Spider-Man 3 was his shot, and it was a largely accurate portrayal. It's someone else's turn to shine now.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I disagree with both Storyteller and Mr. Green.

Yes, Brock in the comics was a one-dimensional, crappy villain that looked cool. The following cartoons and USM however, developed on him significantly. He became a character that can certainly be workable.

The biggest point I have to disagree with is both of you thinking that SM3 did a good job with the character and we should leave him alone. Really? I think that's largely unimaginative and a waste. Even for a one shot villain (which you can certainly argue Venom is) SM3 didn't even attempt to do him justice. In his original storyline in 616, Venom elicited that feeling of the monster that you can't get away from. That's what he was about. He stalked Peter just to prove he could. It was all about the power game with him. That's what made him scary. Now, yes, it gets old after the first time it's introduced, but for that one story, it's actually very compelling.

SM3 captured none of that.

And yes, you would have to reinvent Brock to make him more interesting. And I say, YES! Go and reinvent him! That's what the cartoons did, and he became more interesting. Why not make Brock a more interesting character? Because then he becomes a more interesting villain.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I agree with Infinity9999999x.

The story in the comics is not fascinating nor captivating at all and not just Venom! But also the Symbiote storyline was nothing special: it didn't gave Peter more power or anything, heck it did not even gave him rage!

In The Animated Series from '94, they took the symbiote & Brock's storyline to a different level! They showed a completely different story which was more interesting. Even in Spider-Man 3, they nailed the part with Brock's motives for hating Spider-Man! So you, ModestMr.Green, are awfully wrong! As long as they go the right route with the Venom story, it will turn out to be great and I truly hope we get Venom, done right this time.

Video Games, Animated Series, even movies - in all they have improved the Symbiote/Venom story and did not leave it intact as it was in the comics! So I think these guys will too.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I have no doubt in my mind that Venom could be reinvented to present a more interesting character. However, no matter what fascinating story he's imbued with, I still believe it would be wasteful to go back to Venom when you've got other unused villains that fans are clamouring to see on the silver screen.

As far as Spider-Man 3 goes, I don't believe there's anything wrong there that couldn't have been solved with a little more screentime. Venom never showed up until the last act, but Brock was there from the start, the ever present nuisance in Peter's life. Another few scenes could've given Venom's presence in this regard a little more gravity. But is it worth it to bring him back to film just to fill in the blanks?

 

[TheSlag]

I disagree with both Storyteller and Mr. Green.

Yes, Brock in the comics was a one-dimensional, crappy villain that looked cool. The following cartoons and USM however, developed on him significantly. He became a character that can certainly be workable.

The biggest point I have to disagree with is both of you thinking that SM3 did a good job with the character and we should leave him alone. Really? I think that's largely unimaginative and a waste. Even for a one shot villain (which you can certainly argue Venom is) SM3 didn't even attempt to do him justice. In his original storyline in 616, Venom elicited that feeling of the monster that you can't get away from. That's what he was about. He stalked Peter just to prove he could. It was all about the power game with him. That's what made him scary. Now, yes, it gets old after the first time it's introduced, but for that one story, it's actually very compelling.

SM3 captured none of that.

And yes, you would have to reinvent Brock to make him more interesting. And I say, YES! Go and reinvent him! That's what the cartoons did, and he became more interesting. Why not make Brock a more interesting character? Because then he becomes a more interesting villain.

Well said! And I totally agree.

I cannot imagine anyone thinking Brock, the symbiote, or Venom were "well developed" in SM3.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I was just saying his motives in SM3 for wanting revenge on Peter were better than in the comics, but that's about it! The rest was of course: SCREWED UP!

 

[Infinity9999x]

I was just saying his motives in SM3 for wanting revenge on Peter were better than in the comics, but that's about it! The rest was of course: SCREWED UP!

Oh, as to that I agree. I mean, 616 Brock's motives were, to put it plainly: stupid. I mean, we had never seen the character before, and Brock was pissed at Spider-man for ruining one of his stories. It was just dumb. SM3 at least gave Brock a slightly more personal motive.

Eddie Brock has a lot of potential, and the past cartoons have utilized this. The 90's TAS did a good job of showing you the "down on his luck" Brock, who, while not really a nice guy, wasn't a complete jerk. SSM had a wonderful personal connection, and made Eddie a much, MUCH more interesting character overall. His last appearance was quite telling with him saying "I need the hate. It's all I have."

And Mr. Green,

While Brock was there...for a bit, his character was far from being well developed. Yes, he wasn't in 616 either, but Raimi had material he could have drawn from. And he did....a bit. Brock was still barely there. I agree that it sucks Raimi was forced to used the character. That was a cruddy deal. But once he realized he was going to HAVE to include Brock, he should have scrapped Sandman and used the extra screen time to fully develop Eddie into a character he did like. And make a better villain.

Yes, there are other villains out there, but face it, Venom is popular. He's a fun villain. And he was solely underused in SM3. He could have been interesting as a character. He wasn't. He could have been amazing visually. He wasn't bad there, but not great. He had the potential for an amazing action sequence. He wasn't even one of the best fight scenes in SM3, let alone the Spider-man series.

And we're not calling for him in the next movie. Develop Brock as an interesting supporting character in the next 3 to 4 movies. And in movie 4 or 5, introduce Venom.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

Eddie Brock has a lot of potential, and the past cartoons have utilized this. The 90's TAS did a good job of showing you the "down on his luck" Brock, who, while not really a nice guy, wasn't a complete jerk.

Exactly! And that's how I want this to be done in the one of the movies of the new franchise as well, even more deeply!

In the 90's TAS, Brock lost his job, he lost his apartment, his reputation, basically his whole career! Hell, in the movie they can even throw Felicia in there too (without her even being the Black Cat imo, I'm not sure I even want the Black Cat). Have her as Brock's gf, then she flirts with Peter etc and she leaves Brock because of him or because she is in love with Spider-Man, whom Brock hates! Not only that, but have Peter act like a jerk towards Brock while he has the symbiote and so on or even better: let's have some Brock/Spidey interactions! You get the idea. Make Brock lose EVERYTHING! The story has a great posibility of being done right.