Episode 13 - "The Fix" - Discussion Thread 1/29/07

[Lurk]

I thought I saw Ted in Peter's vision but maybe I was mistaken.

It's more than a huge leap, it's a MAJOR assumption and one nobody would ever make in real life. Nothing Claude did in his vision gave off a "Hey, I can train you!" vibe.

More like Pyro, IMO

Let's keep in mind 'Heroes' is not real life and the same rules do not apply. No one can really fly or become invisible or dream of people they've never met. That's the point. Something extraordinary is happening and only a limited number of the populace are aware. Peter is special, possibly dangerous (don't forget, he's freaking out about the explosion, it's not just a mild concern), surrounded by people who want "the crazy" to shut up and go away. He desperately wants help and sees another super, someone who might be able to offer some answers that his brother and Mohinder previously weren't interested in addressing. Claude does indicate he's had contact other supers as soon as he meets Peter, "Fantastic, one of those." PLUS, Peter recognizes him right away from the dream, so of course he wants to know who he is and why he's significant. You're assuming Peter thinks Claude's his teacher, when really Peter simply recognizes him and wants to know why. Peter's initial comments aren't "train me," he wants to know why Claude was in his dream and if he can help prevent Peter from exploding - it's not like he's all "Oh, sensei! I found you! Your student has arrived." If Claude's been at this longer, which he indicates he has, he will likely know more about abilities and how they work. Peter just wants any info anyone has about powers. The series has shown Peter feels like he has a greater purpose, so it makes perfect sense he'd want information from anyone willing to offer an answer and help save the city, especially someone about whom he had a pre-cog dream.

No leap. Sorry.

Pyro can't create fire, he can only manipulate it. Claire's mom ignited her fingers with no outside spark.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^That makes way more sense. And you realize you've just done more explaining than the directors cared to. I see now how Peter would assume that Claude would have more experience but the way he's acting now is like Clause is a Jedi master; despite the fact that claude is being very secretive. And correct me if I'm wrong but Claude didn't exactly seem "inviting" in Peter's vision, what with all the cackling and what not.

I compared her to Pyro as opposed to Johnny b/c I don't see Claire's mother engulfing herself in flames. I think she'll be doing some creating but A LOT more manipulating.

 

[Hiro]

This was one of my favorite eps so far.

Three new characters: Claude, Hiro's Dad (GULP!), and Lady Bic.

The relationship between Claire and HRG is becoming so complex and layered. Great writing and acting.

The Micah/ABM business was awesome. In a world run by computers Micah's power makes him a serious badass.

I thought there was instant chemistry between Claude and Peter. "C'mon mate, I'll steal us a cab."

Plas, staying spoiler free takes real commitment, as well as being quick with mouse and remote. With previews, commercials and message boards it's not easy to avoid the dreaded spoiler. I've been trying to live spoiler free since X2 and it sure has been worth the effort.

 

[Caliber]

I have a feeling claude could be either Claires dad or connected to HRG. I have a feeling Micahs going to help get nikki out.

 

[Lurk]

^That makes way more sense. And you realize you've just done more explaining than the directors cared to. I see now how Peter would assume that Claude would have more experience but the way he's acting now is like Clause is a Jedi master; despite the fact that claude is being very secretive. And correct me if I'm wrong but Claude didn't exactly seem "inviting" in Peter's vision, what with all the cackling and what not.

I compared her to Pyro as opposed to Johnny b/c I don't see Claire's mother engulfing herself in flames. I think she'll be doing some creating but A LOT more manipulating.

*shrug* I prefer not to have things spelled out for me, I think the directors are setting up really intricate, interesting groundwork. It's not that hard to piece together. It's a lot to keep up with, but it all, for the most part, makes sense. I couldn't have explained it if the directors didn't include the content in the first place.

I didn't get the sense that Peter thought Claude was a super-duper-badass, I think he was surprised to see another super using his powers with such ease. He sees Claude in control and wants to know how he can remain in control. I don't need Lance Armstrong to teach me to ride a bike, just someone with some basic knowledge. And if Peter noticed Claude was intentially with-holding info, or being secretive, it'd be strange if he didn't inquire further. Disconcerting cackling or not, wouldn't you want to know why you dreamed of a guy you'd never met, and then you DO meet not 24 hours later? I'd change the channel if Peter saw Claude, recognized him, and then did nothing - it doesn't fit the character development.

Claire's mommy????.......Could be Sylar, Peter, Ted oooor Meredith.

Johnny can throw fire and whatnot like Pyro, as well as create it, so I'm sticking with HT .

Sorry if I'm sounding argumentative, I don't mean it, I just have a headache

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Nono, it's cool. You've clearly picked up on more clues than I have and I thought I was going crazy till most of your explanations. How exactly do we know Claude is in control of his powers btw? As for having things spelled out, i'm not big on making assumptions so I take what the directors give me at face value.

 

[Felix Fangor]

i think the painting is in fact Claire's mom...the entity is shaped more like a female than a male.

I think Meredith could be behind the second train accident, the one where Claire saved the day.

 

[squeekness]

I had thought the painting was the exploding man.....?

 

[Galact-Gal]

Did anybody notice that Claude called Peter an empath? Most science fiction stories use that term to mean somebody who can "read" and/or influence other people's emotions. So does "Heroes" have its own definition, or does Peter have another ability?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

The Haitian fits the word empath more than Peter. Dunno why claude called him that.

 

[GL1]

Actually, if Peter is copying people's abilities in the Heroes Universe, then he IS technically a telepath or an empath. Remember in the first episode how he "felt something" when Dad died, or in the Flashback episode when Nathan was in that car accident, or in the episode where Simone's dad died. Peter's an empath, and in the Heroes universe, that gives him the ability to copy powers.

The Haitian is a low level telepath, with perhaps only one trick...

GASP! I thought the painting was of Peter or Ted exploding, but what if it IS Meredith!... this isn't the first time that a painting has had a different explanation than first assumed.

I too was disjointed by the use of the concepts "you gotta teach me" and "how many others have you taught?" which seemed... odd. It would have flowed better if we had some indication that Peter had any reason to trust this guy, or that he actually had TAUGHT others instead of just knowing of their existance. It can make sense with fanexplanation, but the show only gave reason for Peter to be interested in what Claude knows, rather than his teaching skills.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I too was disjointed by the use of the concepts "you gotta teach me" and "how many others have you taught?" which seemed... odd. It would have flowed better if we had some indication that Peter had any reason to trust this guy, or that he actually had TAUGHT others instead of just knowing of their existance. It can make sense with fanexplanation, but the show only gave reason for Peter to be interested in what Claude knows, rather than his teaching skills.

Glad we're in the same boat. Welcome to Crazytown lol.

 

[Sentinel X]

I dont get why people dont like this episode...it was really really good in my opinion, Its my second fav after homecoming...sure there wasn't action but I thought the storytelling was pretty good

 

[newwaveboy87]

^Haha, his wife is turning into a jerk too. Always naggin about the pipes......I think she's gotten more than enough pipe since she's been married

ROFLcopter

 

[newwaveboy87]

i think the painting is in fact Claire's mom...the entity is shaped more like a female than a male.

I think Meredith could be behind the second train accident, the one where Claire saved the day.

since Meredith just got added into the cast, looking at that image again, it does look more female than male. the shape is too hourglass to be a male.

Glad we're in the same boat. Welcome to Crazytown lol.

i have no problem with having to figure things out in most shows/movies/books, but this show just offers a quick sketch that gets explained in the online comics. i don't feel like reading the online comics, i shouldn't have to do homework for a show on top of watching.

so, i'm with you on a few plot points.

 

[Lurk]

Is there any information that's been provided in the comics and not in the show that is crucial to understanding the story? There's none that I'm aware of, most of the clues you need can be gleaned from the episodes.

I too was disjointed by the use of the concepts "you gotta teach me" and "how many others have you taught?" which seemed... odd. It would have flowed better if we had some indication that Peter had any reason to trust this guy, or that he actually had TAUGHT others instead of just knowing of their existance. It can make sense with fanexplanation, but the show only gave reason for Peter to be interested in what Claude knows, rather than his teaching skills.

Uh, Peter wants Claude to teach him what he knows. How does he gain Claude's knowledge if Claude doesn't teach him?

Claude follows Peter to his apartment and drops information like "A nurse who's an empath, cute" and that Peter doesn't know the difficulty of what he's asking, to learn control. He never denies being able to offer some guidance on Peter's exploding-problem, rather, he says he's not going to let Peter kill everyone. When Peter says he can handle the struggle of learning control, Claude replies "That's what they all say." This seems like a fairly big red flag that Claude might have an idea or two about how these powers work and that he's helped other supers. It's only after this exchange that Peter asks who else he's taught.

Peter is a pretty trusting dude, he's very open-minded. He was willing to risk jumping for flight, he believed Isaac, he sought out Dr. Suresh. Peter wants answers from a.n.y.o.n.e. and Claude seems to have some. And Peter REALLY wants to know why he saw him in his dream before he ever met him. Trust or not, he wants answers.

I'm not sure what you consider 'fanexplanation' if the pieces fit and the conclusions are ultimately correct. It's one thing to 'fanexplain' away Hulk pants never coming off when he grows, which makes zero sense, but most of the so-called problems with Heroes do have reasonable explanations. Everything is adding up, to me, so far.

Do we know if Claude is always invisible or if he can turn it on and off?

Funny that several people have mentioned the fiery figure looks female. Even though the painting is totally ambiguous, I completely agree. It has an hourglass-ish figure and something about the eyes "feel" feminine.

 

[Mrh7448]

I haven't read through all these so this might have already been stated...I think that HRG told Claire's mother that Claire was dead and vice versa.

 

[Felix Fangor]

It finally makes sense now....the exploding man isn't the painting Isaac thought WAS the exploding man. It was Meredith.

Another example why Isaacs power doesn't literally predict the future, only provide certain images. Isaacs painting of Peter at Homecoming fighting Sylar also was something different than what was initially expected.

 

[Lurk]

So what do we do with Exploding-Peter from his dream? Does he represent Meredith? Is Meredith the explosion? Is that painting unrelated to the explosion and Pete's dream? The painting looks too much like him in his dream to be totally unrelated, but it could just be enflamed Mommy. I can totally picture Claire hugging a burning mom

 

[newwaveboy87]

So what do we do with Exploding-Peter from his dream? Does he represent Meredith? Is Meredith the explosion? Is that painting unrelated to the explosion and Pete's dream? The painting looks too much like him in his dream to be totally unrelated, but it could just be enflamed Mommy. I can totally picture Claire hugging a burning mom

that would be cool.

and to answer your other question, yes. in the first episode of the second half of the season we're shown that Sylar is kept in prison and people were speculating how he got that way. no one was told how he got there, or why he was still there. we knew that they've kept him sedated while running tests, but why didn't he leave after the girl killed herself? the answer was in the online comic. right after she killed herself, people barged into the room and pumped him full of sedatives. the reference to his drugging/testing would've been perfect to explain why he didn't/couldn't run away.

that's just one example.

 

[Felix Fangor]

So what do we do with Exploding-Peter from his dream? Does he represent Meredith? Is Meredith the explosion? Is that painting unrelated to the explosion and Pete's dream? The painting looks too much like him in his dream to be totally unrelated, but it could just be enflamed Mommy. I can totally picture Claire hugging a burning mom

I don't think the painting looks like Peters explosion at all...Peter has both his arms in fist at his waist...this 'figure' clearly has the arms outstretched as if it's manifesting the energy...CONTROLLING it.

 

[newwaveboy87]

I don't think the painting looks like Peters explosion at all...Peter has both his arms in fist at his waist...this 'figure' clearly has the arms outstretched as if it's manifesting the energy...CONTROLLING it.

it looks like the figure is throwing flames from it's fingers.

 

[thebigtree95]

Commentary for the episode with Greg Grunberg and Hayden Panettiere

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/commentary.shtml

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Is there any information that's been provided in the comics and not in the show that is crucial to understanding the story? There's none that I'm aware of, most of the clues you need can be gleaned from the episodes.

How Sylar got knocked out and back into Mr. Bennet's custody after his attempted breakout. As newwaveboy pointed out.

When Peter says he can handle the struggle of learning control, Claude replies "That's what they all say." This seems like a fairly big red flag that Claude might have an idea or two about how these powers work and that he's helped other supers. It's only after this exchange that Peter asks who else he's taught.

See, this is where the leap was made IMO. How is Peter to assume that Claude can help control ALL powers. They all work differently. That's like The Hulk asking Spider-Man to teach him to control his powers.

Peter is a pretty trusting dude, he's very open-minded. He was willing to risk jumping for flight, he believed Isaac, he sought out Dr. Suresh. Peter wants answers from a.n.y.o.n.e. and Claude seems to have some. And Peter REALLY wants to know why he saw him in his dream before he ever met him. Trust or not, he wants answers.

I can get behind that reasoning. Peter's desperation for answers is leading him to make out-of-the-ordinary decisions. That makes more sense rather than him just guessing.

I'm not sure what you consider 'fanexplanation' if the pieces fit and the conclusions are ultimately correct. It's one thing to 'fanexplain' away Hulk pants never coming off when he grows, which makes zero sense, but most of the so-called problems with Heroes do have reasonable explanations. Everything is adding up, to me, so far.

The Hulk's pants are actually easy to explain lol. The Marvel Universe is notorious for chalking the unexplainable in terms of clothing up to "unstable molecules". The X-Men's clothes are made out of them and so were The Incredibles. It's how Reed Richard's clothes can stretch like that and how HT's clothes don't get incinerated.

Do we know if Claude is always invisible or if he can turn it on and off?

Good question. One Peter should know the answer to or it makes his advice seeking make very little sense.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I haven't read through all these so this might have already been stated...I think that HRG told Claire's mother that Claire was dead and vice versa.

Yeah, that's pretty safe to assume.


What I think will happen on the day of the explosion is that Nate is gonna fly Peter a safe distance away from the city and get himself killed in the process.