Sequels Er......what sequels?

[Timstuff]

Right now the Warner execs are in "spin" mode. Even if SR only made 50 million this week, they'd still act like there's nothing wrong. The last thing they want is to let people see them sweat, but behind the scenes right now, they're all screaming "WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON OVER THERE? We payed 300 million for this!?"

Unless SR turns out to have very strong legs, I don't really see how it's supposed to make 600 mil and turn in a profit for WB. The movie got good reviews, but people actually coming out of the movie are having mixed opinions about it, ranging from "That was pretty good." to "Ugh, it's over." with a couple "ZOMG TEH BEST MOVIE EVAH!!!" from people who are crazy for the Donner films. But as for average Joe movie goer, when he sees the so-so BO numbers and hears "wait till it's at blockbuster" from his friends, the incentive to actually watch it is decreased-- especially since there's an equally big rival movie coming out this friday.

Pirates of the Carribean had strong legs because it had a universal appeal to it, and most of the hype from the other summer blockbusters had died down. It took people by surprise, and it wasn't long before it had made 300 million in the US alone. With Superman Returns, it's too early to say it could have that kind of long-term stride, but it's certainly not getting as good word-of-mouth as Pirates did. Many people left SR feeling dissapointed, but with Pirates it was something completely new and fresh, and people didn't know what to explect-- but they came out happy, and more people went in afterwards.

Like I said, we'll have to wait a week or two to see what happens. But right now, I certainly wouldn't bet money on SR being the movie of the summer.

 

[Lightning54SC]

Right now the Warner execs are in "spin" mode. Even if SR only made 50 million this week, they'd still act like there's nothing wrong. The last thing they want is to let people see them sweat, but behind the scenes right now, they're all screaming "WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON OVER THERE? We payed 300 million for this!?"

Unless SR turns out to have very strong legs, I don't really see how it's supposed to make 600 mil and turn in a profit for WB. The movie got good reviews, but people actually coming out of the movie are having mixed opinions about it, ranging from "That was pretty good." to "Ugh, it's over." with a couple "ZOMG TEH BEST MOVIE EVAH!!!" from people who are crazy for the Donner films. But as for average Joe movie goer, when he sees the so-so BO numbers and hears "wait till it's at blockbuster" from his friends, the incentive to actually watch it is decreased-- especially since there's an equally big rival movie coming out this friday.

Pirates of the Carribean had strong legs because it had a universal appeal to it, and most of the hype from the other summer blockbusters had died down. It took people by surprise, and it wasn't long before it had made 300 million in the US alone. With Superman Returns, it's too early to say it could have that kind of long-term stride, but it's certainly not getting as good word-of-mouth as Pirates did. Many people left SR feeling dissapointed, but with Pirates it was something completely new and fresh, and people didn't know what to explect-- but they came out happy, and more people went in afterwards.

Like I said, we'll have to wait a week or two to see what happens. But right now, I certainly wouldn't bet money on SR being the movie of the summer.

pirates will sink.... trust me its the same movie all over again and the first ine was ok nothing that screams 5 stars in my book

 

[thorstone]

I think everyone watched the trailer and said to themselves, meh.

They should have done something truly different. How about a Superman who is 80 years old, has lost everyone he ever loved, his Metropolis has grown to something totally different, and he is in his last days.

 

[Timstuff]

pirates will sink.... trust me its the same movie all over again and the first ine was ok nothing that screams 5 stars in my book

Somehow, I highly doubt that. The level of un-official hype for Pirates 2 is crazy, and everyone loved the first one. If your one of the few who didn't, the sequel certainly won't change your mind. But really, the movie would have to suck pretty bad to not get the same kind of attention the first did.

 

[War Lord]

Superman sequels are not guarenteed anymore, unfortunetly.

Makes it very intresting how Spider-Man 3 will do at the box office, doesn't it?

Spiderman is going to do very well, it may even make more money than the other two, but I think the somewhat tepid return with Superman might be more of a tired public than an opinion that it's a bad movie.

 

[dpm07]

Spiderman is going to do very well, it may even make more money than the other two, but I think the somewhat tepid return with Superman might be more of a tired public than an opinion that it's a bad movie.

You know, what you're saying might very well have some validity, and normally that statement is one I would be inclined to agree with. This film of SR though, was really done poorly. It had all the resources available, and Singer dropped the ball because of his fanatical fetish and blind love for the Donner film. It was a film that was good for its time, but deserved to stay in the past.

Today's audience wanted more, and Singer wasn't the right man for the job. Singer's idea of a return was great as a concept, but the writing for the film was poor by incorporating Jason as Superman's son, and creating an unnecessary love triangle. The lack of character development with the other characters (most notably Martha and Clark) was poorly done. If this film had probably taken a more Post-Crisis approach with a reboot and kept the concept of the return with a villain with which Superman could have gone head to head with, it may have performed better. Luthor's part of the Superman Mythos, but good God! Give him a Metallo or something Superman can unload on. Keep Luthor in, but make him a CEO versus just some real estate schemer. Give him Mercy Greaves as well! I'd take one Mercy for all of the other characters. That's a role that Peta Wilson should have been doing versus the flight attendant. Parker Posey was a waste, and why was Kal Penn even in this film? A personal favor to Singer or Routh? He deserves better.

There were aspects of the film that were done well. Unfortunately, in other areas it clearly was not done as well for the amount of money that was put in it. Underwhelming is a word that is good to describe it. Lacking a great climax as well. I mean, sitting around playing cards while NK is being built? That's waaay to lame.

Singer has created problems now that another director coming in would be afraid to deal with, or have problems with resolving. The only thing that can save the franchise is a reboot. This is definitely not a job for Singerman.

 

[Hiruu]

Looks like we shouldnt assume that WB will fire Singer and avoid sequels yet:

"Bryan [Singer] is just such a bright and creative individual. He had his own vision, and he was right and did a great job," said Dan Fellman, Warner head of distribution.

The movie should hit $110 million by Tuesday, Fellman said.

"Superman Returns" had big returns in 76 huge-screen IMAX theatres, most of which ran the movie incorporating 3-D footage in many action sequences. About $5 million of the film's grosses came from IMAX theatres.

(From Supermanhomepage.com)

What do you expect him to say? Oh...we expected this movie to make $150 million and shatter everything? Not likely...he's going to spin stuff, and hope to squek out a BB like performance to get to $200 million, and then pray and hope for a decent overseas performance...yikes!

 

[Jochimus]

Luthor's part of the Superman Mythos, but good God! Give him a Metallo or something Superman can unload on.

This I agree with. Much as I enjoyed the movie, I think that's one of the movie's biggest flaws right there, if not THE biggest. I liked Spacey's performance, I thought he did great, but after Zod I think it's well past time to up the ante on the villain front. Apparently Paul Dini was the only writer who could manage that for WB; I say let him write the script for the next one.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I am sure there will be a sequel but i expect a big change of content and approach and perhaps a change of director
Right now SR is being received fairly well and many say it's a decent movie but is also the most expensive chick flick ever made

 

[OzzMosiz]

WB should ensure the next Superman has Superman up against a physically worthy adversery!! Thats what people want to see!
Ensure they wrap up any fights into a good story though.
Story first, action second!

 

[Jochimus]

The last thing they want is to let people see them sweat, but behind the scenes right now, they're all screaming "WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON OVER THERE? We payed 300 million for this!?"

More likely they paid $300 million for gay robots, black latex costumes with S-shields made out of daggers, and Nicholas Cage. Money well lost, I say.

 

[superion]

pirates will sink.... trust me its the same movie all over again and the first ine was ok nothing that screams 5 stars in my book

Pirates 2 is tracking for a opening of over $100 million for a three day weekend. It will crush all the other films that opened this summer domestically. It will probably be the biggest worldwide as well though the DeVinci codes incredible foreign numbers may keep it the No. 1 film for the summer worldwide

 

[elvislennon2005]

The cast of Superman Returns has signed up for three movies so far. I think the movie will get its money back and more. So there will be sequels in the future. There is plans for The World's Finest to be made. So you will see Batman and Superman in one movie. I would like to see the Justice League in a movie. I bet that would do great in the theaters. It is about time for DC to make their heroes come to the theaters. Now with Wonder Woman in the plans, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Lanturn and few others. I will go and see them when they are in the theaters. I like Marvel too but it gets tired to see Marvel heroes all the time and not seeing DC.

 

[Payle Gray]

You have to think that Singer and his two twelve year old writers had at least a two movie plan/draft/script when they pitched this to WB. It's not likely that they said, "We're giving Superman a son and we'll just decide later what to do with him." WB had to have approved what they had in mind for a sequal when they gave the go ahead for SR. Now whether or not it's a GOOD sequal idea...

 

[Timstuff]

The cast of Superman Returns has signed up for three movies so far. I think the movie will get its money back and more. So there will be sequels in the future. There is plans for The World's Finest to be made. So you will see Batman and Superman in one movie. I would like to see the Justice League in a movie. I bet that would do great in the theaters. It is about time for DC to make their heroes come to the theaters. Now with Wonder Woman in the plans, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Lanturn and few others. I will go and see them when they are in the theaters. I like Marvel too but it gets tired to see Marvel heroes all the time and not seeing DC.

You seem fairly oblivious to the world around you.

 

[dpm07]

You have to think that Singer and his two twelve year old writers had at least a two movie plan/draft/script when they pitched this to WB. It's not likely that they said, "We're giving Superman a son and we'll just decide later what to do with him." WB had to have approved what they had in mind for a sequal when they gave the go ahead for SR. Now whether or not it's a GOOD sequal idea...

That's what is sad. These two tools Harris and Daugherty are set to write the screenplay of the Superman Sequel, and Singer is currently slated to direct it. I wonder how much further they'll drag Superman down if they do the film?

 

[Payle Gray]

I don't mind Singer directing again, IF he gets much better help with the sequel's screenplay... whether he wants it or not. Whatever idea that his minions came up with for the sequel should be examined over and over again. I really wonder if DC has any actual say as to what happens in the movies. I'm guessing not.

 

[elvislennon2005]

I like Superman Returns. It is a very good movie. The only reason why it isn't doing that great in the theaters is because some fans are not giving Brandon Routh a chance. Most people thinks that Christopher Reeve is the only Superman and they shouldn't do anymore. Well, for me if someone can play a good Superman he should play it. Brandon Routh did a very good job as Superman. During a fiver day run it has made $84.2 million already. Yes, that isn't that good but it is a start. Their will be sequels of Superman in the future. For those who thinks that Christopher Reeve is the only one who should play Superman and that there should be no more Superman movies. Well, those guys and gals needs to get a life. Singer said it himself that their will indeed be more Superman movies in the future. He said he will not do no more X-Men movies, that his sights are on Superman now since he has director control over him now. He is thinking about using the a combination of the several old scripts to make The Death of Superman movie. Which will be a two parter and that they will be filmed at the same time. He will also add his idea. Well, I look over the different scripts that is available on the internet of the idea of the Death of Superman. If it is done right and he can add his ideas to it, it might become a blockbuster. But he said that he is thinking about it for a future movie.

 

[dpm07]

I like Superman Returns. It is a very good movie. The only reason why it isn't doing that great in the theaters is because some fans are not giving Brandon Routh a chance. Most people thinks that Christopher Reeve is the only Superman and they shouldn't do anymore. Well, for me if someone can play a good Superman he should play it. Brandon Routh did a very good job as Superman. During a fiver day run it has made $84.2 million already. Yes, that isn't that good but it is a start. Their will be sequels of Superman in the future. For those who thinks that Christopher Reeve is the only one who should play Superman and that there should be no more Superman movies. Well, those guys and gals needs to get a life. Singer said it himself that their will indeed be more Superman movies in the future. He said he will not do no more X-Men movies, that his sights are on Superman now since he has director control over him now. He is thinking about using the a combination of the several old scripts to make The Death of Superman movie. Which will be a two parter and that they will be filmed at the same time. He will also add his idea. Well, I look over the different scripts that is available on the internet of the idea of the Death of Superman. If it is done right and he can add his ideas to it, it might become a blockbuster. But he said that he is thinking about it for a future movie.

I don't have a problem with Routh. He's not a great Superman and his acting is wooden, but he's ok. He's not my first choice, but he wasn't the overall problem in the film, IMO. The problem was Singerman, and his blind fetish and fanaticism for the Donner film. Then you factor in his flunkies Otis and Gus Gorman (Aka Dan Harris and Michael Daugherty).

The next film needs to have more action and stronger characterizations from the characters. I'd also have to say get rid of Jason, but Singerman made that hole that I don't think anyone can fill or erase.

 

[Payle Gray]

I actually liked Routh as Supes. I really couldn't see them getting a better unknown. The problem isn't that fans or the general public can't see Routh as Supes, it's the lackluster story and direction that Singer has taken the film. I also don't mind the homage to S:TM, however it didn't exactley use it as a building block. It seemed to move more sideways rather than forward.

 

[Robin91939]

SUPERMAN RETURNS did NOT cost $250 million dollars. Singer said that the production budget was $180 million, but they would probably go over that with some effects, and marketing. So he said the budget would increase but not into the $200 million dollar territory.

-R

 

[Logan876]

This I agree with. Much as I enjoyed the movie, I think that's one of the movie's biggest flaws right there, if not THE biggest. I liked Spacey's performance, I thought he did great, but after Zod I think it's well past time to up the ante on the villain front. Apparently Paul Dini was the only writer who could manage that for WB; I say let him write the script for the next one.

I couldn't agree more! Luthor's overused! In SR, he had virtually the same evil plan as in the 1st Supes' film! And showing Supes saving Metropolis from disaster happened too in the 1st film! I think Singer's patterned SR to the Donner films too much. The love triangle and Supes' son subplots didn't help much. SR is a rehash and lots of people were expecting new-If SR would bomb, I think these are few reasons why.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

A sequel at this point seems guaranteed. It's just that MANY trolls are taking advantage of the situation and making others skeptical.

MANY films have had small openings and went on to become #1 at box office!!!

Case in point- LOTR, Chronicles, etc.

It's just people can't wait anymore.

Box office is a marathon- not a sprint.

It's a sprint now. You open big, your takings drop quickly, and something else replaces you. That's how it works these days.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Can we all calm down and try and use some cold, hard logic here? Or just common sense?

There won't be a Superman sequel just because you think there is great potential for one, or because you loved Returns.

Forget 'trolls' and 'haters' and accusing each other, and don't let your hopes for a sequel blind you from the facts either. The box office has been disapointing. The sequel looks in doubt.

 

[Cdawg751]

Spiderman 3 will rock. People will get a solid story with great action and not see a hero just dealing with natural disasters, or the same villain again.

SR had a weak story, and should have had Superman taking on a villain in a physical confrontation. Furthermore, it should never have introduced Superman's son, and it should have had a director who came into the game with a stronger knowledge of Superman other than the Donner film, which was great for its time, but pretty dated now.

Spiderman 3 won't make those mistakes. The past two films have illustrated Raimi has a respect for the hero and the comics.

Exactly. WB Jus Brought Singer Along Cuz He Was A Visionary. But The Problem Was He Knew Little Of The Man Of Steel, Unlike Raimi Who Was Both A Visionary And A True Spidey Fan. GO SPIDERMAN! !