Superman Returns Essesence of superman

[SatEL]

Yes this is another *****ing thread, i just feel singer didnt capture who superman is CR captured the essesence of superman perfectly Routh did a fantastic job but i just didnt see superman there. Singer has to go.





Oh and you guys have to watch the CR tribute with the song by five for fighting: its not easy, its just amazing the and screams superman.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well i dont know that much about the character, my knowledge of him comes from the movies and the various animated series' he been in. But from what i do know of him, Singer captured him perfectly, when i look at Brandon Routh now, everytime i see Superman, so ifs thats not capturing him then i dont know what is.

 

[SatEL]

Well i dont know that much about the character, my knowledge of him comes from the movies and the various animated series' he been in. But from what i do know of him, Singer captured him perfectly, when i look at Brandon Routh now, everytime i see Superman, so ifs thats not capturing him then i dont know what is.

Then my advise to you is to read some comics.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Then my advise to you is to read some comics.

SR has got me interested in reading them actually, but if i do, i still dont think my opinion will change.

 

[Showtime]

Superman has been potrayed in so many different ways in both print media and visual media, that I don't know how you can say it is right or wrong.

 

[nogster]

well i would say giving superman an illegitimate child and have him spying on and interfering with a love that he left for 5yrs who has moved on with a really respectable and caring man, crying and being all sooky and broody, as well as being able to ingnore the crippling effects of kryptonite when the film suits him isnt truly superman to me...
i thought routh did a fine job with what he was given. but the problem is just that...what he was given was not really superman to me...
i blame the writing and direction..not routh.

 

[h0metwnhero]

well before the movie came out the big thing was...
will a big blue boyscout still appeal to mass audiences
the answer is no
its cardboard, theres no drama
i think singer brought in all the wrong elements that actually took away from superman.
if you look at all the scenes that have nothing to do with the child, lois, or richard. all those scenes scream superman. they practically shuv truth, justice, and the american way into your face. brandon did a damn good job, and i think he has a really good feel for the character. you just have to look away from the bogus parts of story, pay attention to what they nailed. then enjoy it. all in all
routh is a great superman, hes got it all.

 

[Showtime]

well i would say giving superman an illegitimate child and have him spying on and interfering with a love that he left for 5yrs who has moved on with a really respectable and caring man, crying and being all sooky and broody, as well as being able to ingnore the crippling effects of kryptonite when the film suits him isnt truly superman to me...
i thought routh did a fine job with what he was given. but the problem is just that...what he was given was not really superman to me...
i blame the writing and direction..not routh.

Yeah it would have been much different if Superman had a LEGITMATE CHILD and him and Lois were married. I am sure nobody would rip on that.

 

[h0metwnhero]

it certainly would have been more...reasonable...for people to accept.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah it would have been much different if Superman had a LEGITMATE CHILD and him and Lois were married. I am sure nobody would rip on that.

Exactly, people would probably ***** at this as well. 'Its too early for Supes to be married.' 'This means we'll never see Lana Lang in the movies!' The romantic elements of the Superman movies were always some of the best parts IMO, and this is the case in SR also.

 

[mego joe]

it certainly would have been more...reasonable...for people to accept.

Exactly, in the comics they are married and I think int he comics such an event would be embraced by many fans. Even if some weren't 'ready for the idea, at least it wouldn't come off as so un-Superman-like as it does in SR.

 

[mego joe]

Exactly, people would probably ***** at this as well. 'Its too early for Supes to be married.' 'This means we'll never see Lana Lang in the movies!' The romantic elements of the Superman movies were always some of the best parts IMO, and this is the case in SR also.

I don't find anything romantic in SR whatsoever. That whole storyline is just creepy and warped.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Its a ****ing movie, and if you hadnt seen the woman of your dreams for 5 years, what would you do?

 

[mego joe]

^Its a ****ing movie, and if you hadnt seen the woman of your dreams for 5 years, what would you do?

Well, I wouldn't have left w/o explaining myself and when I got back I would have actually had a real conversation with her to discuss her life etc... and tried to understand where she was in her life w/ the kid and Richard. I would not just swoop in and try to reinsert myself, only a moron or a jerk would do that. I would then have stepped aside like a mature adult, hurt though I may have been I would have understood. However, if I had explained myself before leaving she may not have moved on, so.....there you go.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

He couldnt find a way to explain, he found it too hard to say goodbye, and mybe he felt too embarrased to speak to her at that moment in time?

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's not like he forced himself on Lois again. He took her on a flight to make her understand what it's like to be him. Besides, he's in love, he probably couldn't help it. He had to see her. He "spied" on them as you put it, because really, what he wants is to be in Richard's place. Besides, he didn't know about the kid. For all he knew, there was no chance Lois would get pregnant, seeing as he is alien you know. Wich is the exact point of why he left in the first place, to find something, or someone, like him.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's not like he forced himself on Lois again. He took her on a flight to make her understand what it's like to be him. Besides, he's in love, he probably couldn't help it. He had to see her. He "spied" on them as you put it, because really, what he wants is to be in Richard's place. Besides, he didn't know about the kid. For all he knew, there was no chance Lois would get pregnant, seeing as he is alien you know. Wich is the exact point of why he left in the first place, to find something, or someone, like him.

Exactly, for all his powers he's not psychic or can tell the future, so it was impossible for him to know about the kid. Also, Lois was probably the only thing he thought about for those five years, its natural the he'll want to look upon her for a little while.

 

[Kid_Kaos]

Thanks to SR, even the last bit of logic the old movies had is now gone.

The problem with the story is that Superman is now officially a creepy ******. Why? If he would love her THAT much he would finally f'n tell her that he is also Clark Kent, instead of stalking her at work and now even afterwards, crying for her like a psycho! He should have told her before he left who he really is and what his feelings are! Instead of that, he slept with her and still kept the lie going, smiling at her behind his mask everyday at work, while she thinks she talks to a different person!

That's really my biggest problem with the whole pre-crisis stuff. Clark isn't real. He serves Superman as a mask to be around Lois the whole time while she thinks Clark is an idiot and allways raves how great Superman is. If that's not creepy ...

The same way it makes no sense in "Smallville" that he doesn't tell "the love of his life" Lana about his powers when nearly everyone else in his close circle (Pete, Chloe, Lionel, heroes he just met for one day like Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman and even half of the inmates of "Bell Reeve") knows about him!
The alibi excuse, that he fears Lana get's hurt worked for the first 2 seasons, but Pete and Chloe worked with him afterwards and now even the father of his freaking enemy does!?

Please, add some logic to the stories! Even kids aren't that dumb!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well i thought he wiped Lois' mind in the 2nd movie because she said how hard its going to be going to work everyday and talking to Clark knowing that he is really Superman, a man she loves. I thought thats why he wiped her memory. In SR, he is just slowly re-introducing himself because Lois is already stressed out that Superman is back, imagine finding out that Clark was Superman at the same time.

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

Truth be told, if someone loves you they won't spill a secret that big, no matter what their reporter's instinct is. I think it's valid that people would have rather had Clark reveal his identity before he left. That would make this whole "super-kid" thing beleiveable. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, but the kid thing still pisses me off.

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

The same way it makes no sense in "Smallville" that he doesn't tell "the love of his life" Lana about his powers when nearly everyone else in his close circle (Pete, Chloe, Lionel, heroes he just met for one day like Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman and even half of the inmates of "Bell Reeve") knows about him!
The alibi excuse, that he fears Lana get's hurt worked for the first 2 seasons, but Pete and Chloe worked with him afterwards and now even the father of his freaking enemy does!?

Please, add some logic to the stories! Even kids aren't that dumb!

I agree with you that he's being an idiot when it comes to Lana on that show. She's bangin' Lex now (talk about ultra creepy) so it shouldn't matter what he has to hide from her. Although she might tell Lex and that would be bad. While at first his logic made sense when Pete was getting beat up all the time because of the secret, now the "I want to protect you from harm" line doesn't hold water. (I think that it all hinges on his pride and the fear that she would be like "Eeww, you're an alien...thing" and reject him.) The same goes for SR in that he should have told her before he left, that way if she did have a kid she wouldn't have had to lie to Richard about his "son" and she and Clark/Superman would be able to have an honest conversation about the whole thing.

So now I willl stop talking about SV before I get flamed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Truth be told, if someone loves you they won't spill a secret that big, no matter what their reporter's instinct is. I think it's valid that people would have rather had Clark reveal his identity before he left. That would make this whole "super-kid" thing beleiveable. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, but the kid thing still pisses me off.

I didnt mean he wiped her memory so she wouldnt tell on him, i meant he wiped her memory to save her the pain of having to work with Clark everyday knowing that he is Superman, and having to act like he isnt the man she loves.

 

[mego joe]

He couldnt find a way to explain, he found it too hard to say goodbye, and mybe he felt too embarrased to speak to her at that moment in time?

The fact that this was not explored in the movie goes to show how bad the script was. This is crititcal to understanding the characters. It is far mor important than many other things that made the movie.

WHat's so hard about just telling her the truth? SUperman is a better man than the way he is characterized by this scenario and it just doesn't fit with the character. Ditto on being responsible with his reproductive material.

 

[Showtime]

The fact that this was not explored in the movie goes to show how bad the script was. This is crititcal to understanding the characters. It is far mor important than many other things that made the movie.

WHat's so hard about just telling her the truth? SUperman is a better man than the way he is characterized by this scenario and it just doesn't fit with the character. Ditto on being responsible with his reproductive material.

I believe they could have still injected the emotions that Lois was experiencing because of Superman's hiatus with her knowing he was going to leave. I think however he would hold a nationally televised press conference and Lois could find out in that manner. This would have given a chance for Superman to echo the thoughts of his father, that he can only lead by example and what not. Then you face the issue of Superman advertising his departure to the world, allowing for the criminals to move forward without fear. I think it would be just as sad to see Lois watching this press conference and finding out in this manner. It wasn't as bad to me that he didn't tell Lois, but I thought he should have informed the world. That being said it worked out fine in the movie and the reason he had trouble telling Lois and the world was because he was "raised as a human being".

 

[mego joe]

I believe they could have still injected the emotions that Lois was experiencing because of Superman's hiatus with her knowing he was going to leave. I think however he would hold a nationally televised press conference and Lois could find out in that manner. This would have given a chance for Superman to echo the thoughts of his father, that he can only lead by example and what not. Then you face the issue of Superman advertising his departure to the world, allowing for the criminals to move forward without fear. I think it would be just as sad to see Lois watching this press conference and finding out in this manner. It wasn't as bad to me that he didn't tell Lois, but I thought he should have informed the world. That being said it worked out fine in the movie and the reason he had trouble telling Lois and the world was because he was "raised as a human being".

I felt tha by not saying anything in the movie it just added to the poor characterization of SUperman who is more responsible, mature and considerate of others feeling. HE remembers he just slept with her, doesn't he? Does she remember? Oh yeah, Singer forgot to tell us that too.