Superman Returns Essesence of superman

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

y'know what would have been the perfect approach to handling the kid???

Since Singer is adopted himself, and Superman is adopted, they could've played on that theme with the kid. That is, don't make the kid Superman's or Lois'.....but make the kid Richard's from a previous relationship ( perhaps the mom died or left Richard ).....

So....then Lois becomes the kid's step-mom....so to speak......and Richard dies at the end, heroically, to save the kid, making the kid an orphan. Perhaps, before he dies, Richard asks Lois and Supes to care for the kid. So, in the end, Superman "adopts" the kid as his own.

That would be an interesting parallel to Superman's adoption by his earth parents ( Kents ).....now an alien is adopting an earth child..........just food for thought.....

But then we would still have a Superman that often feels alone because he is the only one of his kind.

 

[dar-El]

Then you make a film that introduces supergirl. Dont forget he's called the last son of krypton for a reason. And in my personal opinion it is not yet time for Superman to become a father because once he is, especially in the books there will be very few stories left to tell. Thats kind of why it took 50years for lois and clark to marry and also why in the 10years since they havnt had a kid.

 

[dar-El]

^Non, but they still enjoyed it! But do they have to be Superman fans to like it?

No they dont have to be but as ive said previosly, Ive been a fan all my life, i own almost all the different versions of tv, film and comics there are. For me as a fan singer has the wrong idea and is damn close to destroying the legend. Singer may have won over you non fans and critics but at the end of the day many superman fans feel the same as me and that is Returns totally sucks. Im just waiting to see the dvd numbers now because i dont think it will sell well further proving singers failure.

 

[mego joe]

No they dont have to be but as ive said previosly, Ive been a fan all my life, i own almost all the different versions of tv, film and comics there are. For me as a fan singer has the wrong idea and is damn close to destroying the legend.

That is the saddest part of the whole thing. I have to tell people that aren't familiar with the comics how wrong the movie got the character just so they don't go around thinking Superman is suppsed to be an irresponsible immature jerk based on their viewing of SR.

Singer may have won over you non fans and critics but at the end of the day many superman fans feel the same as me and that is Returns totally sucks. Im just waiting to see the dvd numbers now because i dont think it will sell well further proving singers failure.

What percentage of comic based Superman fans do you think liked SR?

Of the people that liked SR, what percentage do think were/ are comic fans first and foremost?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No they dont have to be but as ive said previosly, Ive been a fan all my life, i own almost all the different versions of tv, film and comics there are. For me as a fan singer has the wrong idea and is damn close to destroying the legend. Singer may have won over you non fans and critics but at the end of the day many superman fans feel the same as me and that is Returns totally sucks. Im just waiting to see the dvd numbers now because i dont think it will sell well further proving singers failure.

Well people with no knowledge of Superman are the ones Singer is meant to win over to rake the money in. The fan-base alone would have earned the movie about $40-50 million AT THE MOST. The G.A are what got this movie to $200 million domestic and $390 million WW, thats why they matter to movie makers a lot more.

And, i'd say i have A LOT more knowledge on Superman than the average movie goer, and i still enjoyed SR immensely. It might suck to you, but there are plenty of big Superman fans who enjoyed it also.

 

[afan]

Bottom line......
This thread asks if Singer captured the essence of Superman.........and the answer must be a resounding.........NO!

Superman is not solely a being who possesses powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men, he is also a being who possesses a code of ethics far beyond those of mortal men. Ask yourself did Singer include that ethical side of Superman, and the answer must be no.

If Superman decided to leave earth for many years to journey to Krypton he would have told everyone, period. Mind you leaving wouldn't be an easy decision and the reasons for leaving would need to be solid, but once he had decided to leave he would declare forthright his intent. The oft mentioned resulting crime-wave (which for me is a stretch as crime is not eradicated by Superman's presence) resulting from the knowledge that Superman has left would surely be part of the decision process, but once he balanced the need for his journey against any results of his abscence he would publically announce his intent. It would be the only ethical course of action.

Plainly, using his powers to peer into Lois' private life is blatantly unethical, there simply is no excuse and no defense! It is unethical on so many levels. It is unethical for the behavior of any man let alone a Superman! If Singer's Superman noticed someone standing outside a home in the bushes peering in a window what would you ecpect him to do? Clearly nothing. Any action would be sanctimonious on his part. How can he possible condemn an act that he himself practices.

 

[dar-El]

You know what in 3 years time when the sequel does as badly as Batman and Robin, ill be laughing! Schumacher got Batman way wrong and almost destroyed the franchise. Same with Singers superman. If singer had got it right superman would be the most successful film of the year, but alas he didnt and thats proven by the fact its only just made $400million worldwide and the merchandise hasnt sold at all. Face it the movie going public werent interested in Singerman and will no doubt stay away from the sequel. Singerman sucks! and thats from a true fan.

 

[SatEL]

Bottom line......
This thread asks if Singer captured the essence of Superman.........and the answer must be a resounding.........NO!

Superman is not solely a being who possesses powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men, he is also a being who possesses a code of ethics far beyond those of mortal men. Ask yourself did Singer include that ethical side of Superman, and the answer must be no.

If Superman decided to leave earth for many years to journey to Krypton he would have told everyone, period. Mind you leaving wouldn't be an easy decision and the reasons for leaving would need to be solid, but once he had decided to leave he would declare forthright his intent. The oft mentioned resulting crime-wave (which for me is a stretch as crime is not eradicated by Superman's presence) resulting from the knowledge that Superman has left would surely be part of the decision process, but once he balanced the need for his journey against any results of his abscence he would publically announce his intent. It would be the only ethical course of action.

Plainly, using his powers to peer into Lois' private life is blatantly unethical, there simply is no excuse and no defense! It is unethical on so many levels. It is unethical for the behavior of any man let alone a Superman! If Singer's Superman noticed someone standing outside a home in the bushes peering in a window what would you ecpect him to do? Clearly nothing. Any action would be sanctimonious on his part. How can he possible condemn an act that he himself practices.

Just beautiful friend beautiful, Post of the year i couldnt agree more this post brought tears to my eyes. If you must know i havent cried in years but the beauty of this post certainly brought a tear.

 

[mego joe]

Bottom line......
This thread asks if Singer captured the essence of Superman.........and the answer must be a resounding.........NO!

Superman is not solely a being who possesses powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men, he is also a being who possesses a code of ethics far beyond those of mortal men. Ask yourself did Singer include that ethical side of Superman, and the answer must be no.

If Superman decided to leave earth for many years to journey to Krypton he would have told everyone, period. Mind you leaving wouldn't be an easy decision and the reasons for leaving would need to be solid, but once he had decided to leave he would declare forthright his intent. The oft mentioned resulting crime-wave (which for me is a stretch as crime is not eradicated by Superman's presence) resulting from the knowledge that Superman has left would surely be part of the decision process, but once he balanced the need for his journey against any results of his abscence he would publically announce his intent. It would be the only ethical course of action.

Plainly, using his powers to peer into Lois' private life is blatantly unethical, there simply is no excuse and no defense! It is unethical on so many levels. It is unethical for the behavior of any man let alone a Superman! If Singer's Superman noticed someone standing outside a home in the bushes peering in a window what would you ecpect him to do? Clearly nothing. Any action would be sanctimonious on his part. How can he possible condemn an act that he himself practices.

Code of Ethics....Excellent choice of words, excellent post- exactly why SR was all wrong!!

 

[CGHulk]

That is truly a beautiful post afan, you hit it right on the head!!

 

[Dr. Fate]

Bottom line......
This thread asks if Singer captured the essence of Superman.........and the answer must be a resounding.........NO!

Superman is not solely a being who possesses powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men, he is also a being who possesses a code of ethics far beyond those of mortal men. Ask yourself did Singer include that ethical side of Superman, and the answer must be no.

If Superman decided to leave earth for many years to journey to Krypton he would have told everyone, period. Mind you leaving wouldn't be an easy decision and the reasons for leaving would need to be solid, but once he had decided to leave he would declare forthright his intent. The oft mentioned resulting crime-wave (which for me is a stretch as crime is not eradicated by Superman's presence) resulting from the knowledge that Superman has left would surely be part of the decision process, but once he balanced the need for his journey against any results of his abscence he would publically announce his intent. It would be the only ethical course of action.

Plainly, using his powers to peer into Lois' private life is blatantly unethical, there simply is no excuse and no defense! It is unethical on so many levels. It is unethical for the behavior of any man let alone a Superman! If Singer's Superman noticed someone standing outside a home in the bushes peering in a window what would you ecpect him to do? Clearly nothing. Any action would be sanctimonious on his part. How can he possible condemn an act that he himself practices.

Great post.