Extreme Dc

[The Question]

Okay, I see you're point there. So are we in agreement to make Dick Nightwing and Jason Robin (that is only if owens likes my Titans idea)?

Maybe. Personally, here's how I'd like to see it happen:



Dick is a vigilante in Gotham for a while, working both solo and with Batman. Batman realizes that he can't handle all of Gotham by himself, and he realizes that Dick will want to do his own thing, so they take seperat patrol routs alot, and only team up for the larger stuff. However, Dick eventually gets pissed with Bruce bossing him around so much (sort of a big brother/little brother syndrome), and starts atending boarding school in New York, while being active as a vigilante there. He hears about the Teen Titans, and auditions.

 

[King Ruler]

Okay, that sounds good, but will this be Nightwing Dick or are you still on Robin Dick?

(That could work, like maybe Nightwing Dick could be working with Batman like you said and then get annoyed with him and leave to New York where he auditions for the Titans, where he meets Jason Robin, who develops a sort of jealousy towards him).

 

[The Question]

I don't see why we should involve Jason at all. And I'd keep the name Robin. I don't see why not.

 

[King Ruler]

Hmmm, well it appears we've met at an impasse. Meh well, doesn't really matter what either of us thinks, really. I guess it all depends on owens.

 

[Spectre722]

I just don't see the point of drastically altering his origin like that.

well id rather not just rewrite the same origin for batman with just different dialouge and some minor details changed. i wanted to write my own origin for him so we could get to the same place, a dark vigilante-detective prowling the streets as an urban myth or superstition, but get there via a different route

 

[The Question]

But why? Even Ultimate Marvel didn't change most of their origin's that drastically. They ddin't change Captain America's at all. They only changed The Hulk's and Spider-Man's as to get rid of the whole radiation thing. Giant Man'sis exactly the same. Iron Man's is too, except they replaced the heard problems with a brain tumor to have it make more sense. There's no need to change his origin so drastically.

 

[King Ruler]

Then again Ultimate Marvel did make Ben Reiley an African American lab assistant who has no relation whatsoever to Peter Parker; they made Blackie Drago (the second Vulture in the 616 continuity) the first Vulture; Harry Osborn the Hobgoblin; and let's not forget Mark Raxton the non Molten Man.

 

[The Question]

True. But really, they weren't going to introduce Ben as he was, so really, a little throwaway like that is fine. He wasn't a major character.

 

[owen_2006_294]

they also changed the Green Goblin (by making it a Jekyll and Hyde thing). why couldnt we make a amalgam of a Jason Todd/Tim Drake Robin? i like the idea of having Jason Todd because we could have him turn into a villain.

 

[owen_2006_294]

how do we know that Ben isnt going to become a major character? they said on a marvel website that they were going to be bringing Ben back in future issues.

 

[The Question]

they also changed the Green Goblin (by making it a Jekyll and Hyde thing). why couldnt we make a amalgam of a Jason Todd/Tim Drake Robin? i like the idea of having Jason Todd because we could have him turn into a villain.

They didn't make Green Goblin into a Jekll and Hyde thing. All they did is change his powers and look. I just don't see why we can't have Dick be Robin, and have him be Batman's partner.

 

[King Ruler]

Yeah, in fact it's rumored (though only rumored) that Ben Reiley will be playing a key point in the upcoming Ultiamte Clone Saga, which I believe is supposed to involved the Carnage sample Ben had in his last (and only) appearance.

 

[owen_2006_294]

they did to make him into a Jekyll and Hyde character at first. then he gained control of his ability to shift between his goblin form and human form. i'm not saying we cant have Dick be Robin. but i think we should consider all the options beforehand. and like Spectre said that it's interesting to see a new twist on the DC characters in the Extreme DC lineup.

 

[King Ruler]

Uh yeah, explain to me how he can be considered a Jekyl/Hyde type character? Is it only because of the transformations, which he had full control over from the start? Because it can't be because of his constant scitzophrenic personality, for the simple fact that he doesn't have one. He was power hungry and crazy as Osborn, and all that was just tweaked when he became Goblin.

And I don't mean to sound like a pestering ass or anything, but has a desicion been made about which Titans line you's prefer, owens?

 

[The Question]

they did to make him into a Jekyll and Hyde character at first. then he gained control of his ability to shift between his goblin form and human form.

That doesn't make him a Jekll and Hyde character. That just means that he was still learning how to control his powers at first.

i'm not saying we cant have Dick be Robin. but i think we should consider all the options beforehand. and like Spectre said that it's interesting to see a new twist on the DC characters in the Extreme DC lineup.

I know. I'm just saying, I don't think we should change them simply for the sake of changing them.

 

[Spectre722]

i keep giving u explanations question, and all u respond with is "why?" geez. and u keep comparin this to the ultimate universe. i know were tryin to do the dc verison of this but that doesnt mean it has to reflect everything ultimate marvel does.

 

[The Question]

You're right. It doesn't. But really, I don't see anything good about fundamentally changing these characters just for the sake of changing them.

 

[King Ruler]

Okay, so we agree to disagree. Everything settled?

 

[Valorman]

some of the ideas. the changes...just seem too "fan made" to me

which they are..but cant we do better?

i say, make it so that dick grayson is batmans ward for a short period of time. upon finding out his idenity. bruce allows him to roam the batcave (under strict rules...we dont want him touching anything and setting it off) dick begins to train under bruce, not to become a sidekick, but just for general better health.bruce sees his determination and teaches him other things that would be usefull to him (he would want to keep himself in the same shape he was during his acrobats carrear wouldint he?) eventualy, batman gets in some form of trouble. he calls for alfred to pick him up(or something similar to that) and because alfred isint there at the moment for some reason or another, dick grabs some spare parts and gadgets and goes after bruce.

here, after dick has finished helping batman. bruce isint exactly happy, angry that dick has damaged equpitment, risked both of there lives, and possibly begining to go down a road he doesint want him to travel, he has a fight with dick *not physicaly ofcourse* dick winds up leaving, running away to new york and trying to find a place to continue his training. bruce still has dick under surveliance however. and that could lead up to the two meeting later on.

this origin would allow the robin persona to be created during teen titans "as some wanted" while keeping the connection to batman, allowing the two to have a past while not compleatly making dick batmans "boy wonder"


EDIT: i drew a redesign for robin. no particular story ideas were thrown into the suit (considdering we didint have any when i sketched this) but i was asked to incorperate a hood as a "robin hood" throwback.i also made his hair longer just incase dick (who's the model i chose for robin) was going to become nightwing any time soon, i figured it would make the transistion smoother.(i also wanted to break away from the "robins look the same" thing, i would personal illustrate each with differint haircuts and features.) Here's the rough design, i mean VEERYY rough.there are two pictures, ill polish them both and present them when there finished.

 

[owen_2006_294]

thats perfect for Robin, imo.

 

[owen_2006_294]

some of the ideas. the changes...just seem too "fan made" to me

which they are..but cant we do better?

i say, make it so that dick grayson is batmans ward for a short period of time. upon finding out his idenity. bruce allows him to roam the batcave (under strict rules...we dont want him touching anything and setting it off) dick begins to train under bruce, not to become a sidekick, but just for general better health.bruce sees his determination and teaches him other things that would be usefull to him (he would want to keep himself in the same shape he was during his acrobats carrear wouldint he?) eventualy, batman gets in some form of trouble. he calls for alfred to pick him up(or something similar to that) and because alfred isint there at the moment for some reason or another, dick grabs some spare parts and gadgets and goes after bruce.

here, after dick has finished helping batman. bruce isint exactly happy, angry that dick has damaged equpitment, risked both of there lives, and possibly begining to go down a road he doesint want him to travel, he has a fight with dick *not physicaly ofcourse* dick winds up leaving, running away to new york and trying to find a place to continue his training. bruce still has dick under surveliance however. and that could lead up to the two meeting later on.

this origin would allow the robin persona to be created during teen titans "as some wanted" while keeping the connection to batman, allowing the two to have a past while not compleatly making dick batmans "boy wonder"


EDIT: i drew a redesign for robin. no particular story ideas were thrown into the suit (considdering we didint have any when i sketched this) but i was asked to incorperate a hood as a "robin hood" throwback.i also made his hair longer just incase dick (who's the model i chose for robin) was going to become nightwing any time soon, i figured it would make the transistion smoother.(i also wanted to break away from the "robins look the same" thing, i would personal illustrate each with differint haircuts and features.) Here's the rough design, i mean VEERYY rough.there are two pictures, ill polish them both and present them when there finished.

so all agreed that this is perfect for Robin? for the lineup of the Teen Titans, i was thinking about having Cyborg, Raven, Kid Flash (we'll come up with some other name for him), Power Girl, and possibly Beast Boy (or Changeling)

 

[The Question]

Good idea. More or less how I'd see it, although I'd have Dick operating in Gotham for a little while before heading for New York. But that's just me. Also, I had thought that in Gotham, he could have a black suit with a full face mask and a red vest with the R pin, and on the Titans he has the slightly more media friendly green and brighter red with the mask that doesn't completely conceal his face.

 

[owen_2006_294]

for his costume i think that the colors that they're using now for the OYL Teen Titans Robin costume would be perfect for it.

 

[King Ruler]

Alright, so now that we've made our changes, how's this sound now:

Richard Grayson is a 16 year old boy in Gotham City training under the wing of Batman. He has been doing so for a few years now (let's go with 2 or 3), and strives to be able to fight along side of Batman, but his mentor still refuses. To prove he can do the job, he makes a costume [slightly resembling the Nightwing costume] (it can just be a black leotard with gloves and boots and a black eye mask; I'd go with the Robin costume, but thinking realistically, would you wear the same bright colors you wore when you were publically known in Gotham as an acrobat as your superhero costume, with little altercations?). After making a huge mistake while out "proving himself", the Batman gets angry with Richard and decides to no longer train him. Heart broken, Richard leaves the batman's side and travels to New York to try and prove himself as a hero on his own.

(NOTE: All this can first take place in the "Extreme" or whatever Batman series and lead into the "Extreme" Titans)

(NOTE: From now on, everything I'm typing can take place in the Titans series)

Months later when Richard arrives in New York, he constructs a new costume (after learning things with Batman). He learns that he can use the bright colors of his acrobatic uniform to draw out the fire of gun wielding enemies if he is trying to hide in the shadows. He decides to use this to his advantage and constructs the uniform. He transfers to a new school and makes friends with the star quarterback Victor Stone, son of Silas Stone, head of STAR Labs.

While on a school bus heading towards another school for a football game, it gets into an accident with another truck, exploding. Surprisingly, Vic is the only human that survives the accident. And surprisingly, he's not even a human. His skin (prostetic skin) is half destroyed, revealing that underneath he is actually a robot. he runs to STAR Labs to search for his father and asks what the problem is. His father tells him that Vic was created as an android in STAR Labs. Originally, STAR Labs were constructing robot models to sell to the military, but they were declined once they could not meet the deadline (nor could they create robots meant for battle just yet). So with the military out of the way, as well as all that spare time on their hands, Silas had a robot made for himself and had it modeled after his deceased son, who would be have looked liked Vic at this age. Angry, confused and lost, Vic runs off.

(One of the original robots that was designed for war still sits in the Lab, functioning as an assistant. Its name is an acronym, spelling CLIFF, though I haven't come up with what CLIFF will stand for yet...)

Vic runs off and looks for Richard so they can talk, but when the two meet up, they discover that there are suits following them, and they believe it is STAR Lab employees, so thye try and evade them. Richard helps, and dons his green and red outfit to hide his identity. In the end, it's discovered that its not STAR Labs chasing them, but members of a terrorist organization named HIVE. They defeat their stalkers and return to the Lab, where Vic is comforted by his father and recharged back to full health. The two, after their little adventure, decide that possibly they should become a crimefighting duo, but Vic says that it isn't really his cup of tea (he later changes his mind when he arrives at school and notices that everyone is afraid of him and a little upset about the whole accident).

In later issues, the HIVE could unleash a creature called Plasmus upon the city and Robin and the newly dubbed Cyborg could be trying to stop this, but are failing, but then they are helped (unintentionally) by a kid named Garfield Logan, who seems normal, but it turns out he has fake skin and his real skin is in fact green. He morphs into an animal and weakens Plasmus, who runs away. Robin and Cyborg chase after the "Changeling" as he runs off, and they follow him to the Dayton Mansion, home of Steve Dayton the millionaire. It's later discovered that Dayton is the adopted father of Garfield, who was genetically altered while still a fetus inside a woman (who really didn't want the child after her husband left her. She decided to give herself up for Dr. Nile Caulder's experiment funded by Dayton. After it was done she had her baby and was on her way. The experiment was a success, granting man with the ability to transform into animals, but it left the baby with green skin. As the boy the grew up, Dayton taught him how to control his powers and nurtured him. Eventually, Gar's asked to join the new team of heroes and fight Plasmus.

From there we can introduce the villains and the other members, who I think should be Wonder Girl, Speedy, and Raven (Power Girl should come in much later, IMO, but it's up to you).

How does all this sound?

 

[The Question]

Well, I'd still go for the "boy band of super teams" thing for the Titans. They all get together and meat when the audition for the team.