Fan Review Thread SPOILERS INSIDE - Part 1

[tay1]

Nah, Zod and Malekith were the same villain. Zod had Faora, Malekith had Kurse. Both had similar intentions. Zod just had a longer introduction. He was no more fleshed out than Malekith, stop trying to convince yourselves otherwise.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Nah, Zod and Malekith were the same villain. Zod had Faora, Malekith had Kurse. Both had similar intentions. Zod just had a longer introduction. He was no more fleshed out than Malekith, stop trying to convince yourselves otherwise.

When Zod's plan failed, his motivations changed from one of power/preservation to one of vengenace. At no point in TDW, did Malekith's motivation changes from lust of power/preservation of race. Therefore, Zod had more dimensions as a character. He also had more development throughout the movie explaining his ideology. At no point, do Odin or Thor confront Malekith with an intellectual conversation about his methods or course of action, but Zod DID have those conversations.

Zod was far more developed. But, don't mistake more developed as being necessarily better.

 

[Tony Stark]

The Zod/Jor-El mirror, his genetic make up and the general Generalness of Zod makes him a far more realized character, which is ironic. He was crafted into the man he, and yet he has more room for character.

Malekith doesn't have any scene like Zod talking to Kal-El as he is strapped to the medical slab.

Thank goodness there wasn't, if I had to hear another crappy line of Goyer's dialogue my head would have exploded. There was no character, there was a guy who screamed and talked about the codex and screamed. It was all pretty lame.

I'm not going to argue with you that Malekith was a well written character. I think Eccleston did a good job for what the part was, and he was more interesting to me in this than he ever was in the comics.

That's all I'm going to say about that, because this is a Thor thread.

 

[TeeKay]

I disagree. I think Zod had many more character scenes in MoS than Malekith got in this one. Zod had that speech about not having anymore people. He had all those scenes with Jor-El/Jor-El's essence. I think those helped Zod get more fleshing out than Malekith did. That said, I felt Malekith worked for what he was: a plot device. This film wasn't focused around him much at all. He was a fairly standard villain that served the needs of the characters that actually had story arcsc: Thor, Loki, Jane Foster, Odin, etc. Malekith was a tool to challenge those characters on some level and change them going forward and to introduce the Aether. Thematically speaking, he was unimportant overall.

I don't say this as a critique or list it as a flaw. This is merely an observation.

Even if Zod was more fleshed out, He's no different than Malekith motivation wise. However I still feel for Makekith too, his race was almost wiped out right infront if him, surprised he wasn't really he'll bent on revenge despite killing Frigga. Nonetheless, it was cool to have a powerful villain Thor could bash around. Villains are sometimes just there to challenge the villain physically or mentally. The CBM villain that really impressed me this year was Killian. He's the best CBM villain this year IMO.

 

[fantasymoon]

Saw it at 4:00 p.m. today. Will be going with someone (who is completely unspoiled) for a night showing tomorrow. I spoiled myself rotten a week or so ago so nothing surprised me.

Likes

I liked Malkeith(probably spelled that wrong and yes you read that right lol). Was he the most developed thing? No. However, he and kurse were what I have been waiting for in a villain (sorry loki). They were deliciously intimidating and menacing. They killed Thor's family. That's how I like my bad guys make it coldly personal. They both didn't have much depth, but they had a tension filled presence when they were on screen and I loved it.

I loved the language. It was so darkly delicious sounding. Like an evil version of the tongue of the LOTR elves. They could have kept speaking like that the entire movie and I would not have minded at all. Keep talking Malkeith. Keep talking lol. I also liked how demonic he sounded when he spoke normally and I like his design as well. Overall I loved what I saw of him. All more characterization is going to do for me is make me like him even more.

Frigga was badass. I loved her confrontation with Malkeith. Their dialogue to one another and the fight scene was exquisite.


Loki- Overall I liked the character yet again and he is the sole reason I went to the theater to see this. I saw Thor and the Avengers on netflix. He has such a strong presence that the screen feels empty when he isn't on it. His overall characterization and agency felt more at home here. Like this is the real continuation of Loki from Thor 1 instead of that pathetic comedic mess he was written as in the avengers.

However, if I have to say one bad thing about him here is that his playfulness and sass was portrayed a little to camp at points like in Avengers. I prefer the more subdued playful /sassy Loki from the first Thor. This movie just proved to me yet again that Loki is treated better as a character in the Thor movies. Also on a shallow note good lord is Loki attractive. I mean I've always thought so since the first Thor, but damn.

Even though from a writing standpoint I preferred him to stay dead I must admit I smiled when he showed himself at the end sitting on the throne of asgard as king once more. The trickster has out tricked everyone once again. For now.


Asgard was beautiful. It was so in the first one as well, but it looked more lived in here.

Graphics were gorgeous. Especially loved how the aerther looked and how badass malekeith used it and Jane’s creepy eyes.

Misplaced comedy aside I enjoyed the final battle. Those are the ones I like one on one with powers flying everywhere.

Jane actually had a point in the end.

Thor was more mature here. I like him, but I always have since the first.

Acting overall was good.

I loved the ending credit artwork.

Dislike:

Now since I’ve seen it in my opinion the overall comedy wasn’t the problem it was the execution of it that was. The big ones for me were frigga dies and lets cut straight away to crazy selvig. Or loki dies and literally right after ohh I know lets go in a cave and have a phone call. Oh how about the brothers have an emotional argument on the boat ohh I know let’s cut right to ‘funny’ earth characters. Then there’s the whole universe about to be turned to **** ohh lets catch a train, slide down the window making funny faces with the villain, more earth comic relief characters saying their ‘funny’ lines as your hammer tries to reach you etc.

This brings me to my biggest problem in the movie. There was a severe lack of emotional impact. Frigga had a beautiful funeral. Sad music and just gorgeous visually, and yet I didn’t care. Couldn’t care. Neither did the main characters it seems. I thought Sif, and the background characters, at the funeral showed more emotion then frigga’s freaking son and husband. I also felt nothing at Loki’s death. I adore him and yet I didn’t care. Same with the fight on the boat. We aren’t given time to linger and soak in what just happened and the characters aren’t either. Thor loses his mother and brother in the span on a few days and he didn’t seem like he overall gave a ****, and don’t get me started on Jane’s complete lack of giving a damn.

A bit character like Coulson had several emotional soak in scenes right after his death, but a main character like Thor doesn’t get the same luxury for his mother and brother?! Insanity. The emotional scenes just flew past while the earth and funny got to keep on strutting. Transitions from emotional to earth/funny were off big time. More time should have been done on the emotional scenes and less on the latter.

Which brings me to…

Earth- more tolerable then the first one, but overall still the most boring part of the thor movies. If they can’t (or won’t) get rid of earth, at least in his movies, then please tone it down. Just like the first film the most exciting and character driven scenes happened on asgard and the other worlds. Not ours. Leave earth for the avenger’s team-ups.

Also special mention to Ian he didn’t bother me persay It’s just I kept having a big question mark on my head every time he was on screen.

Thor/Jane- I just can’t with these two. God help me but their ‘romance’ was more believable (I’m stretching as far as I can go) in the first one.

The dialogue was off for me. It was clunky in parts and cheesy. I definitely preferred the first thor’s.

As someone who cares not one bit about guardians of the galaxy I can't say the mid credit scene bothered me as a fan,but as a plain viewer that was an atrocious looking scene. It looked like it came from the worst of the scifi channel. If this is a hint to what the movie will look and play like then I sense marvels first bomb.

End credit was meh to.

Overall this movie did the visuals and action better than the first, but it missed the boat on the most important thing to me. A soul.

6.5/10

 

[tay1]

When Zod's plan failed, his motivations changed from one of power/preservation to one of vengenace. At no point in TDW, did Malekith's motivation changes from lust of power/preservation of race. Therefore, Zod had more dimensions as a character. He also had more development throughout the movie explaining his ideology. At no point, do Odin or Thor confront Malekith with an intellectual conversation about his methods or course of action, but Zod DID have those conversations.

Zod was far more developed. But, don't mistake more developed as being necessarily better.

How does him changing his mind give him more dimensions?

Odin or Thor doesnt need to have a conversation with him. Why do they need to talk?

 

[Tony Stark]

Zod was far more developed. But, don't mistake more developed as being necessarily better.

I wouldn't say "far more", but I get what you're saying and agree. Again Malekith isn't the story here, he's a threat, but the story is about where Thor and Loki fit in to the world, and their destiny.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Saw it at 4:00 p.m. today. Will be going with someone (who is completely unspoiled) for a night showing tomorrow. I spoiled myself rotten a week or so ago so nothing surprised me.

Likes

I liked Malkeith(probably spelled that wrong and yes you read that right lol). Was he the most developed thing? No. However, he and kurse were what I have been waiting for in a villain (sorry loki). They were deliciously intimidating and menacing. They killed Thor's family. That's how I like my bad guys make it coldly personal. They both didn't have much depth, but they had a tension filled presence when they were on screen and I loved it.

I loved the language. It was so darkly delicious sounding. Like an evil version of the tongue of the LOTR elves. They could have kept speaking like that the entire movie and I would not have minded at all. Keep talking Malkeith. Keep talking lol. I also liked how demonic he sounded when he spoke normally and I like his design as well. Overall I loved what I saw of him. All more characterization is going to do for me is make me like him even more.

Frigga was badass. I loved her confrontation with Malkeith. Their dialogue to one another and the fight scene was exquisite.


Loki- Overall I liked the character yet again and he is the sole reason I went to the theater to see this. I saw Thor and the Avengers on netflix. He has such a strong presence that the screen feels empty when he isn't on it. His overall characterization and agency felt more at home here. Like this is the real continuation of Loki from Thor 1 instead of that pathetic comedic mess he was written as in the avengers.

However, if I have to say one bad thing about him here is that his playfulness and sass was portrayed a little to camp at points like in Avengers. I prefer the more subdued playful /sassy Loki from the first Thor. This movie just proved to me yet again that Loki is treated better as a character in the Thor movies. Also on a shallow note good lord is Loki attractive. I mean I've always thought so since the first Thor, but damn.

Even though from a writing standpoint I preferred him to stay dead I must admit I smiled when he showed himself at the end sitting on the throne of asgard as king once more. The trickster has out tricked everyone once again. For now.


Asgard was beautiful. It was so in the first one as well, but it looked more lived in here.

Graphics were gorgeous. Especially loved how the aerther looked and how badass malekeith used it and Jane’s creepy eyes.

Misplaced comedy aside I enjoyed the final battle. Those are the ones I like one on one with powers flying everywhere.

Jane actually had a point in the end.

Thor was more mature here. I like him, but I always have since the first.

Acting overall was good.

I loved the ending credit artwork.

Dislike:

Now since I’ve seen it in my opinion the overall comedy wasn’t the problem it was the execution of it that was. The big ones for me were frigga dies and lets cut straight away to crazy selvig. Or loki dies and literally right after ohh I know lets go in a cave and have a phone call. Oh how about the brothers have an emotional argument on the boat ohh I know let’s cut right to ‘funny’ earth characters. Then there’s the whole universe about to be turned to **** ohh lets catch a train, slide down the window making funny faces with the villain, more earth comic relief characters saying their ‘funny’ lines as your hammer tries to reach you etc.

This brings me to my biggest problem in the movie. There was a severe lack of emotional impact. Frigga had a beautiful funeral. Sad music and just gorgeous visually, and yet I didn’t care. Couldn’t care. Neither did the main characters it seems. I thought Sif, and the background characters, at the funeral showed more emotion then frigga’s freaking son and husband. I also felt nothing at Loki’s death. I adore him and yet I didn’t care. Same with the fight on the boat. We aren’t given time to linger and soak in what just happened and the characters aren’t either. Thor loses his mother and brother in the span on a few days and he didn’t seem like he overall gave a ****, and don’t get me started on Jane’s complete lack of giving a damn.

A bit character like Coulson had several emotional soak in scenes right after his death, but a main character like Thor doesn’t get the same luxury for his mother and brother?! Insanity. The emotional scenes just flew past while the earth and funny got to keep on strutting. Transitions from emotional to earth/funny were off big time. More time should have been done on the emotional scenes and less on the latter.

Which brings me to…

Earth- more tolerable then the first one, but overall still the most boring part of the thor movies. If they can’t (or won’t) get rid of earth, at least in his movies, then please tone it down. Just like the first film the most exciting and character driven scenes happened on asgard and the other worlds. Not ours. Leave earth for the avenger’s team-ups.

Also special mention to Ian he didn’t bother me persay It’s just I kept having a big question mark on my head every time he was on screen.

Thor/Jane- I just can’t with these two. God help me but their ‘romance’ was more believable (I’m stretching as far as I can go) in the first one.

The dialogue was off for me. It was clunky in parts and cheesy. I definitely preferred the first thor’s.

As someone who cares not one bit about guardians of the galaxy I can't say the mid credit scene bothered me as a fan,but as a plain viewer that was an atrocious looking scene. It looked like it came from the worst of the scifi channel. If this is a hint to what the movie will look and play like then I sense marvels first bomb.

End credit was meh to.

Overall this movie did the visuals and action better than the first, but it missed the boat on the most important thing to me. A soul.

6.5/10

I wholeheartedly agree w/ this

Definitely a 6.5 after the second viewing today.

 

[Tony Stark]

Even if Zod was more fleshed out, He's no different than Malekith motivation wise. However I still feel for Makekith too, his race was almost wiped out right infront if him, surprised he wasn't really he'll bent on revenge despite killing Frigga. Nonetheless, it was cool to have a powerful villain Thor could bash around. Villains are sometimes just there to challenge the villain physically or mentally. The CBM villain that really impressed me this year was Killian. He's the best CBM villain this year IMO.

Agreed on that last part. I know the purist will go nuts but Killian is a far more interesting compelling character.

As far as Malekith though, I thought he served his purpose in the film. I wasn't looking for some grand motivation from him, because ultimately it's all about Thor and Loki.

 

[TeeKay]

How does him changing his mind give him more dimensions?

Odin or Thor doesnt need to have a conversation with him? Why do they need to talk?

Good questions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah, Zod and Malekith were the same villain. Zod had Faora, Malekith had Kurse. Both had similar intentions. Zod just had a longer introduction. He was no more fleshed out than Malekith, stop trying to convince yourselves otherwise.

I don't need to convince myself of anything. I have seen TDW twice and I saw MoS more then a few times in theaters. I feel like I grasp what was going on in each.

Zod's intentions and motivation are based in what doomed the Kryptonians in the first place. There is nothing inherently evil about him, he was born to protect Krypton using military reasoning and methods. His job to perserve Krypton and its people using those methods. Jor-El and Zod are mirrors who butt heads with the sad realization that neither could convince the other, because it is written in their very genetic code that they cannot. Zod is the rabid fighting dog that has to be put down. It isn't his fault, but that is what he is.

That is not Malekith. Not in the least.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Even if Zod was more fleshed out, He's no different than Malekith motivation wise. However I still feel for Makekith too, his race was almost wiped out right infront if him, surprised he wasn't really he'll bent on revenge despite killing Frigga. Nonetheless, it was cool to have a powerful villain Thor could bash around. Villains are sometimes just there to challenge the villain physically or mentally. The CBM villain that really impressed me this year was Killian. He's the best CBM villain this year IMO.

I agree with this, actually. Killian was a different type of villain from Malekith. In IM3, Killian was a core character to the story, and was thematically far more important than Malekith was. I would say Killian was easily the best overall villain of the main comic book movies this year. But, like I said earlier, I need to watch TDW again before I rank it within the MCU. IM3 I have seen many times, and I know about where I place it now. Killian being a more developed villain doesn't necessarily make IM3 better than TDW. Actually, I think TDW and IM3 are polar opposites in a way. IM3 had a bit of a sloppy ending, while TDW had a slow start but awesome finish.

Regardless, the MCU films I think were the 2 best CBMs this year....just not sure which I would rank 1.

How does him changing his mind give him more dimensions?

Odin or Thor doesnt need to have a conversation with him? Why do they need to talk?

To flesh him out. My point being as the story changed, Zod changed as a character. Malekith never did that. He was on path A-B the whole movie. Zod was challenged in ways Malekith wasn't, thus you understood him better. This is my point on why Zod was more developed.

I wouldn't say "far more", but I get what you're saying and agree. Again Malekith isn't the story here, he's a threat, but the story is about where Thor and Loki fit in to the world, and their destiny.

Exactly, TDW was not about Malekith. He was the villain, but his motivations, wishes, and desires were not ultimately the most important part of the story, so they focused on the more important elements of the story. I think it was a good decision, because the movie was a fun ride overall.

 

[TeeKay]

Agreed on that last part. I know the purist will go nuts but Killian is a far more interesting compelling character.

As far as Malekith though, I thought he served his purpose in the film. I wasn't looking for some grand motivation from him, because ultimately it's all about Thor and Loki.

Killian loved him. the way he went about achieving his goals was smart. Props to Shane and Drew for writing that character so well IMO.

Like you said, Makekith served his purpose to the story, he was a threat and a damn great one. He was a cold villain though, him ordering Kurse to kill Frigga without hesitation was heartless, he even had a smirk on his face when he said 'I believe you' before Kurse kills her. I'm actually liking him more the more I think about his character. He needed to be fleshed out a bit more IMO but you're right, this movie was about Loki and Thor.

 

[tay1]

I don't need to convince myself of anything. I have seen TDW twice and I saw MoS more then a few times in theaters. I feel like I grasp what was going on in each.

Zod's intentions and motivation are based in what doomed the Kryptonians in the first place. There is nothing inherently evil about him, he was born to protect Krypton using military reasoning and methods. His job to perserve Krypton and its people. Jor-El and Zod are mirrors who butt heads with the sad realization that neither could convince the other, because it is written in their very genetic code that they cannot. Zod is the rabid fighting dog that has to be put down. It isn't his fault, but that is what he is.

That is not Malekith. Not in the least.

So I guess Malekith's people weren't pretty much wiped out by Odin's father huh?

 

[TeeKay]

I don't need to convince myself of anything. I have seen TDW twice and I saw MoS more then a few times in theaters. I feel like I grasp what was going on in each.

Zod's intentions and motivation are based in what doomed the Kryptonians in the first place. There is nothing inherently evil about him, he was born to protect Krypton using military reasoning and methods. His job to perserve Krypton and its people using those methods. Jor-El and Zod are mirrors who butt heads with the sad realization that neither could convince the other, because it is written in their very genetic code that they cannot. Zod is the rabid fighting dog that has to be put down. It isn't his fault, but that is what he is.

That is not Malekith. Not in the least.

Yes we get that but him wanting to destroy earth and wanting to rebuild Krypton was no different than Malekith wanting to destroy the nine relms

 

[tay1]

To flesh him out. My point being as the story changed, Zod changed as a character. Malekith never did that. He was on path A-B the whole movie. Zod was challenged in ways Malekith wasn't, thus you understood him better. This is my point on why Zod was more develop overall.

The story changed when Malekith decided to attack Earth instead of Asgard. Just because he changed one motive doesnt make him more developed. I understand Malekith just as easily I did Zod.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So I guess Malekith's people weren't pretty much wiped out by Odin's father huh?

Did Jor-El try to wipe out the Kryptonians? No, he tried to preserve them. The Kryptonians doomed themselves, which is a major part of the Superman mythos. That Zod, Jor-El and Kal-El are all of the same blood is inherently important in this comparison with Malekith. It isn't like Odin and Malekith are brothers in arms, trying to save their people. They have different people whose very existence causes the other discomfort to say the least.

Malekith, as presented in the film, seems to have no love for his people, no will to protect them. What he seems to desire is to rule, to return the universe to a time where his people could simply rule. Nothing else. That is where it ends.

 

[TeeKay]

I don't need to convince myself of anything. I have seen TDW twice and I saw MoS more then a few times in theaters. I feel like I grasp what was going on in each.

Zod's intentions and motivation are based in what doomed the Kryptonians in the first place. There is nothing inherently evil about him, he was born to protect Krypton using military reasoning and methods. His job to perserve Krypton and its people using those methods. Jor-El and Zod are mirrors who butt heads with the sad realization that neither could convince the other, because it is written in their very genetic code that they cannot. Zod is the rabid fighting dog that has to be put down. It isn't his fault, but that is what he is.

That is not Malekith. Not in the least.

Yes we get that but him wanting to destroy earth and wanting to rebuild Krypton was no different than Malekith wanting to destroy the nine relms, plunge them into darkness and rebuild his homeworld. See the similarities there? Zod and Makekith's main motivations were 'Destroy and rebuild.' That's what we're trying to say here lol xD We all know about Zod being the way he is because he was born that way...We're discussing MAIN motives here. Relax

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes we get that but him wanting to destroy earth and wanting to rebuild Krypton was no different than Malekith wanting to destroy the nine relms

There reasoning and intentions are very different. That is how you flesh out character.

The story changed when Malekith decided to attack Earth instead of Asgard. Just because he changed one motive doesnt make him more developed. I understand Malekith just as easily I did Zod.

You have watched The Dark World right? You do realize that Malekith didn't "decide" to attack Earth right? He goes to Earth because that is the center of the anomaly. That is why he goes there. He would have always had to go there. He doesn't "attack" Earth, he is there because it where he must use the Aether.

 

[Spideysays]

Loved It!!!! Absolutely!!!
10/10. If I take the humor into consideration I'll drop it to a 9 or 9.5/10 so it didnt bug me too much really. I kind of blank out on all the earth stuff. As long as the Asgardian aspects and dramas of the film looked and felt like the stories I grew up with, I was fine. Going again indefinitely til the movie leaves theaters. I took nine people to the midnight show last night. All of them LOVED it! We're all going again and taking others as well.

 

[tay1]

Did Jor-El try to wipe out the Kryptonians? No, he tried to preserve them. The Kryptonians doomed themselves, which is a major part of the Superman mythos. That Zod, Jor-El and Kal-El are all of the same blood is inherently important in this comparison with Malekith. It isn't like Odin and Malekith are brothers in arms, trying to save their people. They have different people whose very existence causes the other discomfort to say the least.

Malekith, as presented in the film, seems to have no love for his people, no will to protect them. What he seems to desire is to rule, to return the universe to a time where his people could simply rule. Nothing else. That is where it ends.

And all of this has nothing to do with development. This has more to do with which villain you favored which is a different issue!.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The story changed when Malekith decided to attack Earth instead of Asgard. Just because he changed one motive doesnt make him more developed. I understand Malekith just as easily I did Zod.

Instead of pursuing this conversation any further, I am just going to say if you don't understand my point now, then you're not going to understand my point at all. At least other people get what I am saying.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Just got back seeing this with a sold out crowd, and I gotta say I am disappointed. Don't get me wrong this movie isn't god awful or anything but it extremely lacking in the story department. Maliketh is one of, if not the weakest marvel movie villain to date.His motives were muddled and he wasn't threatening at all. And with a weak villain the story just felt weak weighed down by the uninteresting Thor and Jane romance, and comedy relief characters Darcy and Selvig. Like most people said, Loki is the best thing about this movie and steals the show every time he is on screen.

Instead of wasting screen time with Darcy and the Intern and Selvig it could have been spent on more Loki or Stiff ( who is hot in this movie) the Warriors Three, Hemidall or Asgard and other realms. The bright spot of this movie is the action and Chris does a fine job playing Thor again.

In regards to the Guardians Of The Galaxy stinger, it was meh. I read comics but even I don't know anything about Guardians, so the general audience I saw it with tonight were all like WHAT THE HELL is that about??? Only thing I knew it was setting up the gauardians movie and the other stuff was ??????. The second stinger was also meh, we got enough of Thor and Janes romance in the movie.

I give this movie a 7/10

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And all of this has nothing to do with development. This has more to do with which villain you favored which is a different issue!.

How so? That is all character, that is all development. They didn't have Zod philosophy just to do it, as bad as Goyer can be, there was a point to it.

Character development isn't simply character growth. It isn't just Thor going from a brat to a hero, it is not just the arc. It is the presentation of the character through their actions, dialogue, etc.

 

[Spider-Fan]

How so? That is all character, that is all development. They didn't have Zod philosophy just to do it, as bad as Goyer can be, there was a point to it.

Character development isn't simply character growth. It isn't just Thor going from a brat to a hero, it is not just the arc. It is the presentation of the character through their actions, dialogue, etc.

Stop explaining basic screenwriting 101!!!!!