Fan Review Thread SPOILERS INSIDE - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

Then if you missed nothing then you should know that we werent comparing the two characters like you were doing .I don't care what motivates them, because at the end of the day they set out to do the same thing, destroy and then rebuild. They just had different ways of going about it like I've said before.

You do realize I was having two conversations?

Malekith uses dark magic. How do you think he was able to levitate Jane and consume the Aether within his body? I don't think they explained in the movie that he uses dark magic but yeah, he does. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

No, he seems to have control of the Aether. When he lifts Jane, he is lifting the Aether. It is why she falls once it is out of her. He never actually uses any sort of "magic", and actually no one in the film does. Not even Loki. They are not magical, they are advance alien races. I am surprised you didn't know that.

 

[tay1]

You do realize I was having two conversations?


No, he seems to have control of the Aether. When he lifts Jane, he is lifting the Aether. It is why she falls once it is out of her. He never actually uses any sort of "magic", and actually no one in the film does. Not even Loki. They are not magical, they are advance alien races.

I would say creating illusions of yourself and of Thor's sawed off hand is somewhat magical.

 

[TeeKay]

You do realize I was having two conversations?


No, he seems to have control of the Aether. When he lifts Jane, he is lifting the Aether. It is why she falls once it is out of her. He never actually uses any sort of "magic", and actually no one in the film does. Not even Loki. They are not magical, they are advance alien races. I am surprised you didn't know that.

Holy ****!! That actually makes sense. but Malekith moves his hand a bit before Jane falls, and she was still levitating when the Aether was already out of her though. eh What would you call all those things Loki was doing in the movie? Casting illusions and shapeshifting?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would say creating illusions of yourself and of Thor's sawed off hand is somewhat magical.

According to Thor those are their mother's "tricks". How Thor controls lightning and Loki creates his illusions, I am not sure, but they seem to all boil down the "magic is science" idea.

 

[Marvin]

Fun movie, enjoyed it more than the first however don't see myself with the need to (ever) see it again. Enjoyed the Kursed dude's scenes.
Did find myself wondering where Stark or Shield where.
7/10

I notice people here are confusing the what with the why when it comes to 'motivation'.
It's the latter. In that sense Zod and this guy aren't all that similar.

I am curious about the death count however, right down to the main villain. Seems pretty tragic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Holy ****!! That actually makes sense. eh What would you call all those things Loki was doing in the movie? Casting illusions and shapeshifting?

They explain the general idea in the first movie. What the Asgardians, Frost Giants and Dark Elves do is based in science that us mortals can not understand. Remember Thor's words for Jane or Jane's for Erik?

We won't be getting "magic" until Strange shows up. And yes, I am ready.

 

[flash13]

Great movie, I really enjoyed it!

 

[TeeKay]

They explain the general idea in the first movie. What the Asgardians, Frost Giants and Dark Elves do is based in science that us mortals can not understand. Remember Thor's words for Jane or Jane's for Erik?

We won't be getting "magic" until Strange shows up. And yes, I am ready.

Oh now I get it. Makekith uses dark magic in the comics and I just assumed he did in the movie as well. Ready for what?

 

[tay1]

According to Thor those are their mother's "tricks". How Thor controls lightning and Loki creates his illusions, I am not sure, but they seem to all boil down the "magic is science" idea.

While it isnt magic in the sense of Doctor Strange, you can't just count illusions and shape shifting as science. That's a bit ridiculous imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh now I get it. Makekith uses dark magic in the comics and I just assumed he did in the movie as well. Ready for what?

Everything they do is suppose to represent their abilities from the comic, just how they come to be in the filmverse is a little different.

And what I am ready for is "real magic" in the MCU. That is what you going to get with Strange, at least that is what I think we will get with Strange.

While it isnt magic in the sense of Doctor Strange, you can't just count illusions and shape shifting as science. That's a bit ridiculous imo.

Loki doesn't shapeshift, those are also illusions. And illusions are simply projections. It is like camo.

And well, don't blame me. That is what they did.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Just got home from seeing this. My friends liked it a lot after having joked on me for taking them to MoS and PacRim, which they hated as much as I did. How do I say this though ....... I'm still trying to figure out what I just watched and how I feel about it.

On one hand you have a movie that attempted to be big in scope and there were lots of fun moments. I mean it makes the first film seem like a phone booth. On the other hand it just had soooooooo much going on.

Ultimately what is going through my head is that this movie struggled with transitions and having big endeavors. There are portions of the movie where characters just show up in places and the flow from one scene to the next is rocky. For instance they end up going from Svartelheim to Jane's Car, to Jane's apartment in like 30 seconds. I had these exact same issues with MoS. The best part of the film for me was the prologue in the beginning. Again, eerily similar to how I felt about MoS because the best part of that movie for me was Jor-El and the battle in Krypton. Bor had a major presence (wish we could've gotten so much more of him) and the fighting was so much more dynamic as the Asgardian forces took on the Dark Elves ......... BUT ........... that whole sequence was better served being flash backed to by Odin as he was discussing the Aether with Thor and Jane later in the film.

So you get a prologue AGAIN (which is kind of lazy from a narrative stand point) and then a really quick Vanaheim sequence. It got the pacing off to a bad start. That battle is supposed to be important because the Marauders "supposedly" had all the realms on the brink and yet Thor dispatches them in like 2mins. After that the movie was better able to settle down. They should've led in with Loki's arraignment and then the Marauder battle, followed by Thor's moping/sadness. That last part should've been the major arc in the film, Thor missing Jane, but being bound to Asgard. Instead it kind've gets brushed over to give us all the other endeavors it was trying to squeeze in. Then there was that whole situation with Thor sitting down at table with everyone explaining his plan. I didn't like how they jumped around showing each part of the plan separately because it lacked natural transition. Almost like Alan Taylor was getting too cute.

I'm not so sure the whole convergence thing was worthwhile. I mean it made for some fun moments in the final battle and whatnot ..... After a while it got to be too zany. One of my friends made me laugh though. After the film he turned to me and said, "I don't know what the hell was going on towards the end, but it was still fun." I think that statement will probably sum it up for many people, even I struggled with what I was watching and all the crafty switch hitting from Jane Foster as she was manipulating the convergence portals with her gizmo.

Some other things:

- I don't understand what all the fuss was about the comedy. There's not even half the amount there was in IM3. Most of it properly placed. Selvig is hysterical during the streaking and hugging Thor in his underpants.

- Malekith and Kurse were good villains. I think it would've been better off not having them speak their own language though. Reason I say this is because it's always difficult to connect with a character as you're having to juggle looking down at the translation while also trying to watch the emoting. I think in some spots the actors were too concerned with getting their lines right and it affected how they delivered. Kurse though, my God they did a great job with him. He's actually my favorite MCU villain right now (until Thanos is unleashed). Malekith wasn't nearly as short changed as some people have made him out to be. He was just a mad man hell bent of restoring the universe to the time before light. He had plenty of scenes. I quite liked him.

- The fight sequences (after the prologue) did let me down a bit. Marvel STILL needs to work on that element of their films. Too cookie-cutter. The end battle between Thor and Mal suffered. Thor dodging gooey red mist was boring and no official fighting skills on display. Then you have Kurse fighting Thor. He was really getting to show how what a nearly unstoppable force he was by punching the hammer, only to be quickly dispatched by a black hole generating grenade.

- The Captain America cameo was hysterical. I think it was worth the price of admission alone.

- Loki was as good as expected. Hemsworth handled his role just fine. The Warriors Three all had their own moment, well except for Hogun .... but hey at least he had his mustache. I've seen people complain about Jane being a plot device, but seriously what the hell else do people want? Would they rather she be the standard "kidnapped" archetype? By having the Aether consume her, it allows for Thor to inevitably commit Asgardian treason, whereby raising the stakes.

I'd give it a 7.0/7.5 ....... It had ambitions to be a huge film, but in the end I'm not so sure the screenwriters on this thing knew how to handle this material on a large scale. It's not the easiest to write for though. I mean they're blending Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Vikings, and present day settings. Remember the infamous "Do you ever give up? Nope!" line from CA:TFA? Well there were some poor lines similar to that. Example, where Thor is trying to reason with Odin and tells him he's no different than Malekith in which Odin responds something like "The difference is I will be victorious!" ..... you have such a heightened scene and it gets soured by a very generic line. The overall dialogue was much better in the first film.

One last thing. I think my thirst for following the production of these films via this site is kind of ruining the experience for me. I might need to cut back on that. The mid-credits scene with The Collector was interesting. Dunno if that's a good or bad thing. There was just something jarring about the Asgardians being on that set. It had the feel of a test shot. The girl with the pink-pastel face made me feel like I was looking at a person's halloween costume. Sif and Volstagg felt completely out of place.

The scene would've been better served showing us how they knew of The Collector in the first place. Other cameos we've had featured better flow and connectivity. For example, in IM2 we knew Coulson was getting sent to investigate disturbances in the southwest. In Avengers, Thanos was alluded to multiple times during sequences with The Other, then we get to see him. In this, Volstagg and Sif just randomly appear in The Collectors' lab. We have no prior knowledge of him and yet they're handing over such an important artifact. I understand Taylor's frustration with it.

 

[tay1]

Everything they do is suppose to represent their abilities from the comic, just how they come to be in the filmverse is a little different.

And what I am ready for is "real magic" in the MCU. That is what you going to get with Strange, at least that is what I think we will get with Strange.


Loki doesn't shapeshift, those are also illusions. And illusions are simply projections. It is like camo.

And well, don't blame me. That is what they did.

From what I remember, Thor explained that the workings of the bifrost, portals, and different realms were more of a science. He never referred to what they can actually do in that manner.

 

[TeeKay]

Everything they do is suppose to represent their abilities from the comic, just how they come to be in the filmverse is a little different.

And what I am ready for is "real magic" in the MCU. That is what you going to get with Strange, at least that is what I think we will get with Strange.


Loki doesn't shapeshift, those are also illusions. And illusions are simply projections. It is like camo.

And well, don't blame me. That is what they did.

I think we are all ready for Doc Strange in phase 3.

 

[Heretic]

Here's my basic review...

I just saw The Adventures of Loki and Some Other Guy You Won't Like As Much: The Dark MacGuffin. Unfortunately, I am cursed with a theater that has REALLY low sound...so you have to struggle to hear every word that's said. Anyway...the reviews are pretty much spot on. Loki steals the show again and is possibly the most interesting character in the Marvel Universe. The scope is suitably vast with a bunch of characters getting screen time, which results in many of them having little to do, but there are still hints that they are interesting and have more to offer. I'd be fine if in a future film they just forgot about Midgard and all the humans and spent the entire time developing the more interesting characters and places. I heard a rumor that Marvel wanted to cut a half hour from the film and the director didn't want to. I'm guessing that the time was cut, and they really could have used it to make things more impactful and developed The villains are pretty underdeveloped but they aren't really the point. Overall, I'm not sure I had as much fun as when I saw the first one...but that may have been because I had such a difficult time hearing what anyone was saying. But hey...it's a comic book movie in 2013 that didn't make me want to throw stuff at the screen in protest, so that's a plus.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

From what I remember, Thor explained that the workings of the bifrost, portals, and different realms were more of a science. He never referred to what they can actually do in that manner.

He says what we call magic is one in the same with science where he comes from.

Just got home from seeing this. My friends like it a lot after having joked on me for taking them to MoS and PacRim, which they hated as much as I did. How do I say this though ....... I'm still trying to figure out what I just watched and how I feel about it.

On one hand you have a movie that attempted to be big in scope. I mean it makes the first film seem like a phone booth. On the other hand it just had soooooooo much going on.

Ultimately what is going through my head is that this movie struggled with transitions. There are portions of the movie where characters just show up in places and the flow from one scene to the next is rocky. I had these exact same issues with MoS. The best part of the film for me was the prologue in the beginning. Again, eerily similar to how I felt about MoS because the best part of that movie for me was Jor-El and the battle in Krypton. Bor had a major presence (wish we could've gotten so much more of him) and the fighting was so much more dynamic as the Asgardian forces took on the Dark Elves ......... BUT ........... that whole sequence was better served being flash backed to by Odin as he was discussing the Aether with Thor and Jane. The did a prologue in the first one, it's too lazy to rely on one again in the sequel.

They should've led in with Loki's arraignment and then the Marauder battle, followed by Thor's moping/sadness. Because of that prologue and then a really quick Vanaheim battle, it got the pacing off to a weird spot. After that the pacing was fine. Then there was that whole situation with Thor sitting down at table with everyone explaining his plan. I didn't like how they jumped around showing each part of the plan separately because it lacked natural transition. Almost like Alan Taylor was getting too cute.

I'm not so sure the whole convergence thing was worthwhile. I mean it made for some fun moments in the final battle and whatnot ..... but it was just a bit too much for an otherwise simple film from a complexity standpoint. After a while it got to be too zany. One of my friends made me laugh though. After the film he turns to me and said, "I don't know what the hell was going on towards the end, but it was still fun."

Some other things:

- I don't understand what all the fuss was about the comedy. There's not even half the amount there was in IM3. Most of it properly placed.

- Malekith and Kurse were good villains. I think it would've been better off not having them speak their own language though. Reason I say this is because it's always difficult to connect with a character as you're having to juggle looking down at the translation while also trying to watch the emoting. I think in some spots the actors were too concerned with getting their lines right and it affected how they delivered. Kurse though, my God they did a great job with him. He's actually my favorite MCU villain right now (until Thanos is unleashed). Malekith wasn't nearly as short changed as some people have made him out to be. He was just a mad man hell bent of restoring the universe to the time before light. He had plenty of scenes. I quite liked him.

- The fight sequences (after the prologue) did let me down a bit. Marvel STILL needs to work on that element of their films. It's still to cookie-cutter. The portions in the end battle between Thor and Mal suffered. Thor dodging gooey red mist just didn't do it for me. Then when Kurse was really getting to show how nearly unstoppable he was by punching the hammer as it was about to strike him, he's quickly dispatched with a black hole generating grenade.

- The Captain America cameo was hysterical. I think it was worth the price of admission alone.

- Loki was as good as expected. Hemsworth handled his role just fine. The Warriors Three all had their own moment, well except for Hogun .... but hey at least he had his mustache. I've seen people complain about Jane being a plot device, but seriously what the hell else do people want? Would they rather she be the standard "kidnapped" archetype?

I'd give it a 7.0/7.5 ....... It had ambitions to be a huge film, but in the end I'm not so sure the screenwriters on this thing knew how to handle this material on a large scale. That material though is not the easiest to write for. I mean they're blending Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Vikings, and present day settings. Remember the infamous "Do you ever give up? Nope!" line from CA:TFA? Well there were some poor lines similar to that. The overall dialogue was much better in the first film.

One last thing. I think my thirst for following the production of these films via this site is kind of ruining the experience for me. I might need to cut back on that. The mid-credits scene with The Collector was interesting. Dunno if that's a good or bad thing. There was just something jarring about the Asgardians being on that set. Judging by the girl with the pink pastel face, I'm slightly concerned for the look of the different races that will be in that film.

I agree that everything up until the final act is damn near perfect. Loki is ridiculously hilarious, and Darcy is no slouch. Loki almost seems to us his comedy to cope. I think it was a bit much in the third act considering what has happened and what is going on. It downplays the threat and the loss of Thor's brother (though we know he is alive at this point, Thor doesn't) and mother. But stuff like using the coat rack for Mjolnir and Thor on the tube, made me lol.

On another note, I really wish they hadn't made Loki's survival so obvious because the final scene. Would have made the reveal even better imo.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I agree that everything up until the final act is damn near perfect. Loki is ridiculously hilarious, and Darcy is no slouch. Loki almost seems to us his comedy to cope. I think it was a bit much in the third act considering what has happened and what is going on. It downplays the threat and the loss of Thor's brother (though we know he is alive at this point, Thor doesn't) and mother. But stuff like using the coat rack for Mjolnir and Thor on the tube, made me lol.

On another note, I really wish they hadn't made Loki's survival so obvious because the final scene. Would have made the reveal even better imo.

I just think they talked about this big convergence coming all throughout the film, but at the end of the day it was just some gooey red mist and Thor/Mal bouncing around realms. The jokes had nothing to do with that part of the movie not feeling more imposing.

 

[Marvolo]

Watched this tonight and I'd give it a 5/10. Bout the only thing I think worked was Hiddleston. Everything else was a bit of a mess. Never thought I'd say this, but Taylor was out of his element. Television is where he belongs for now.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Watched this tonight and I'd give it a 5/10. Bout the only thing I think worked was Hiddleston. Everything else was a bit of a mess. Never thought I'd say this, but Taylor was out of his element. Television is where he belongs for now.

On one hand I thought he brought Asgard to life. But he really struggled moving us around in spots.

 

[Herolee10]

I just got back from seeing the film myself.

Whoever said that this film was Marvel's best cinematic looking film in a while, or at all, was very accurate. The cinematography in this film was absolutely gorgeous.

You do get a more grander sense of an real "adventure" taking place in this film than you do from the first Thor film.

I'm still not sure what I"d rate this film yet, as I would have to see it again to fully process my thoughts.

That said, as others have also mentioned, I think Darcy's comedic parts were really misplaced in the final act of the film and totally unneeded. It kind of made the Dark Elves pursuing them look like idiots at times on how easy it was for them outmaneuver them.

Also, I could have done without Jane getting a phone call within the Dark Elves' cave as a means of establishing that they were close to a portal. They could have simply have her find the keys that Darcy lost and make a connection from there rather than inserting comedy there and also allow Thor and Jane to absorb everything that they just experienced up to that moment.

Also, I was kind of confused as to why Loki went through so much trouble in protecting Jane, even at the possibility of his own life being in danger since I would think that him just getting back at Kurse and Malekith would be sufficient. It's kind of hard to figure out as to what Loki's views are on Thor right now and whether he plans on letting him live and do his own thing now that Loki has complete secure of the throne.

And after seeing Levi's performance as Fandral, it made me miss Joshua Dallas even more since he was definitely a more convincing swashbuckling type of character than Levi came off as. And Levi's action scenes as Fandral came off as awkward and fake at times, especially his introduction on Hogun's planets where it felt like he was playing swordplay with the Marauders, as opposed to how they choreographed Joshua's Fandral action scenes in the Frost Giants' planet.

Finally, I would have personally loved it had they expanded more on the concept that Bor and Odin were no saints and they have done some pretty questionable things as King, especially Bor who wiped out all of the dark elves without Mercy, which is something that Thor wouldn't have done.

I'll probably post more of what I had issues with in the other forum, but to continue on with what I enjoyed...

As others have said, Asgard was definitely MUCH BETTER in its presentation this time around and while I missed the previous film's music, the one that was made for this one was just as great in its own way.

 

[tay1]

Best looking film? Idk, maybe at certain parts, but the first few minutes explaining the dark elves looked real cartoonish to me.

 

[Herolee10]

Best looking film? Idk, maybe at certain parts, but the first few minutes explaining the dark elves looked real cartoonish to me.

I actually enjoyed it.lol

Though I wish that they would have used Bor more better for the action scenes...i mean it would have been nice to see him to do more in that short introductory battle.

Also, I wish they would have allowed Odin to see more action. For the guy that's supposedly one of the most powerful beings in the Universe, he doesn't really come off as that strong from what we've seen.

 

[TeeKay]

Best looking film? Idk, maybe at certain parts, but the first few minutes explaining the dark elves looked real cartoonish to me.

I think it's Marvel's best looking film.D But I agree, the first few minutes looked kinda cartoonish.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I actually enjoyed it.lol

Though I wish that they would have used Bor more better for the action scenes...i mean it would have been nice to see him to do more in that short introductory battle.

Also, I wish they would have allowed Odin to see more action. For the guy that's supposedly one of the most powerful beings in the Universe, he doesn't really come off as that strong from what we've seen.

The Bor sequence was great. Choreography in the fighting was much better than any other part in the film. Just hated when we got the closeup of Bor, he begins to talk and then that's it .....

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Asgard was expanded... a bit. Sorry, I just don't see how this was such a thrilling visual experience in the least.

 

[Herolee10]

The Bor sequence was great. Choreography in the fighting was much better than any other part in the film. Just hated when we got the closeup of Bor, he begins to talk and then that's it .....

Agreed; I think it was definitely much better than that opening Frost Giants Battle that Odin had with Laufey at the beginning of "Thor".

And yeah, I was hoping that when we saw that bi-frost portal appearing before Malekith, that it would be Bor stepping out and fighting with him, but it wasn't...boo.lol