Fanboy claims that people think are true but aren't

[The Batman]

Fans on the internet tend to claim a lot of things that contradict whats being published.

For example, the idea that DC is going back to the silver age might be one of these things.

In your opinion, what're things that fans say are true, but really arent?

 

[nOvAkAiNe]

DC Comics are for girls.
I've heard this one a lot actually, I don't think that DC is necessarily geared towards girls but they treat their female heroes a lot better than Marvel treats theirs. DC also isn't afraid to make Wonder Woman one of their prominent heroes a lesson Marvel should take notes on.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

That Marvel needs to take notes from *s******* DC on how to make prominent female heroes. ESPECIALLY since Marvel has already made clear that this will be the year of female superheroes, the rise of Jess Drew/Jones and Miss Marvel etc. I'll give you I have high hopes for Wonder Woman in the near future and Batwoman was good under Rucka, but clearly (as a whole) DC haven't treated her right. Supergirl and Powergirl are jokes. Even what they wear is massively disrespectful to women.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

*s n i g g e r* JESUS overkill on the anti-racism there

 

[SuperFerret]

That "s n i g g e r" is a word, not "snicker" as in a derisive laugh. Also, that Marvel has valuable female characters outside of the Invisible Woman, She-Hulk, the Wasp, Carol Danvers, and a handful of X-Women.

 

[IBRAH08]

I always think it's funny when people complain about how sexual the costumes for female heroes are. As if the men's costumes weren't. They are skin tight, showing every muscle. If that's not sexual, what is?

 

[Mystirious]

That Marvel needs to take notes from *s******* DC on how to make prominent female heroes. ESPECIALLY since Marvel has already made clear that this will be the year of female superheroes, the rise of Jess Drew/Jones and Miss Marvel etc. I'll give you I have high hopes for Wonder Woman in the near future and Batwoman was good under Rucka, but clearly (as a whole) DC haven't treated her right.

She's getting her own ongoing series this year, written and drawn by one of the best talents in the industry. They may not have treated her all that well in the past but I'd say right now their treating the character well

[Supergirl and Powergirl are jokes. Even what they wear is massively disrespectful to women.

I don't see what's disrespectful abou them dressing in a way that makes them appear sexy. I don't think it matters what anyone, man or woman, wears. If DC made the characters into unflattering stereotypes about women then that would be disrespectful but I know I don't feel direspected just because the characters are sexy

I always think it's funny when people complain about how sexual the costumes for female heroes are. As if the men's costumes weren't. They are skin tight, showing every muscle. If that's not sexual, what is?

Quite. Really, I'm all for sexy costumes on men and women alike. So long as the fan service goes both ways I don't see the harm. It's how the characters are written that is important, not what their dressed in. Clothes don't make the man, or woman for that matter

Plus, I'll freely admit, I just flat out love a little cheese cake/beef cake fanservice with sexy heroes and heroines now and then

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't mind cheesecake art when it's done tastefully.

Amanda Conner is the best at it. Ed Benes is a mixed bag. I loved his Birds of Prey, but I didn't care for his Justice League of America.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't mind cheesecake art when it's done tastefully.

Amanda Conner is the best at it. Ed Benes is a mixed bag. I loved his Birds of Prey, but I didn't care for his Justice League of America.

 

[Kurosawa]

Another claim that people think is true, but actually isn't: That Pre-Crisis was confusing. It was actually much simpler and worked better.

That every Silver Age Superman story was Jimmy Olsen Turtle Boy.

And that misogynistic crap like Identity Crisis or even The Killing Joke has any place in comics or is any better than the sexist crap from the Silver/Bronze Age. Sure, maybe Iris/Lois/Carol/whoever might come off as weak or shrewish and yea, that's not much of a character, but anyone who could and would want to put poor Sue Dibny through what they've put her through...needs serious help. It's ****ing sickening. Period.

 

[Kurosawa]

Another claim that people think is true, but actually isn't: That Pre-Crisis was confusing. It was actually much simpler and worked better.

That every Silver Age Superman story was Jimmy Olsen Turtle Boy.

And that misogynistic crap like Identity Crisis or even The Killing Joke has any place in comics or is any better than the sexist crap from the Silver/Bronze Age. Sure, maybe Iris/Lois/Carol/whoever might come off as weak or shrewish and yea, that's not much of a character, but anyone who could and would want to put poor Sue Dibny through what they've put her through...needs serious help. It's ****ing sickening. Period.

 

[Mystirious]

I don't mind cheesecake art when it's done tastefully.

Amanda Conner is the best at it. Ed Benes is a mixed bag. I loved his Birds of Prey, but I didn't care for his Justice League of America.

I wasn't a big fan of his JLA work either. Though he did give us the unintentionally hillarious cover in which Zatanna and the Atom both appear to be staring in fascination at Superman's crotch

 

[fifthfiend]

I always think it's funny when people complain about how sexual the costumes for female heroes are. As if the men's costumes weren't. They are skin tight, showing every muscle. If that's not sexual, what is?

Get back to me when Hal Jordan starts wearing a belly shirt and a miniskirt.

EDIT: And heels.

 

[Mystirious]

Get back to me when Hal Jordan starts wearing a belly shirt and a miniskirt.

EDIT: And heels.

I want this to be his next costume

 

[IBRAH08]

Get back to me when Hal Jordan starts wearing a belly shirt and a miniskirt.

EDIT: And heels.

Well that would be cross dressing. Both outfits are sexual they are just relevant to what is (in superhero land) normal for each gender.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

For example, the idea that DC is going back to the silver age might be one of these things.

Er... that is true though. Johns and Didio themselves have basically even admitted it on multiple occasions.

The way Wally West has been treated is a disgrace. People have grown to love him, he is a much more interesting character than Barry "boring as hell" Allen.

But no, because Wally isn't from the Silver Age and Johns has a hard on for the Silver Age Wally gets thrown off his book and relegated to a supporting character.

Nice one Johns

It's professional fan fiction is what it is. Nothing more.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm with you on this. It's the reason I've dropped so many DC titles. The only ones left on my pull list are Secret Six, Power Girl and, when their released I'll be getting BOP and Batwoman.

Barry's return is really meaningless and needless and just more pointless silver age fanboy-ism

 

[fifthfiend]

Well that would be cross dressing. Both outfits are sexual they are just relevant to what is (in superhero land) normal for each gender.

Funny how the one that's normal for one gender is much, much more sexualized than the one for the other gender, which is much, much less so.

 

[The Batman]

Er... that is true though. Johns and Didio themselves have basically even admitted it on multiple occasions.

The way Wally West has been treated is a disgrace. People have grown to love him, he is a much more interesting character than Barry "boring as hell" Allen.

But no, because Wally isn't from the Silver Age and Johns has a hard on for the Silver Age Wally gets thrown off his book and relegated to a supporting character.

Nice one Johns

It's professional fan fiction is what it is. Nothing more.

First off, Wally West IS a silver age character. Second, Geoff's run on Wally's Flash is the second most definitive for the character beside Mark Waid, so people need to stop acting like geoff never gave a damn about him. Third, Wally basically got replaced because the whole "Wally and the Flash kids" relaunch bombed. In fact, we wouldnt even be having this discussion if Bart's run as Flash didnt bomb. They've been wanting to replace Wally since 05', but because Allen's relaunch is sticking so far its because of silver age bias? Riiight.

 

[BrianWilly]

Well that would be cross dressing. Both outfits are sexual they are just relevant to what is (in superhero land) normal for each gender.

Funny how the one that's normal for one gender is much, much more sexualized than the one for the other gender, which is much, much less so.

Yes, funny how what's normal for one gender seems to reveal tons more skin than what's normal for the other.

I will say that it's getting better all the time. But to declare that the current state of titillation is equal between the genders in any way, shape, or form is just silly.

 

[IBRAH08]

Funny how the one that's normal for one gender is much, much more sexualized than the one for the other gender, which is much, much less so.

Hey man, Robin's old shorts were skankier than anything any woman in the DU wears

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, funny how what's normal for one gender seems to reveal tons more skin than what's normal for the other.

I will say that it's getting better all the time. But to declare that the current state of titillation is equal between the genders in any way, shape, or form is just silly.

I can kind of see the argument if you consider that comic art as a whole, at least for superheroes, is and almost always has been based entirely on the nude form. But a lot of costumes for women go well beyond the nonchalant implied nudity of skintight male costumes and opt for outright nudity and downright impracticality. Also, heels. Why does any superheroine anywhere ever wear heels? It's not just sexist, it's stupid.

 

[Mystirious]

I would think that heels would come in useful in crime fighting. Kick a villain while wearing those and they'll really feel it

 

[fifthfiend]

I can kind of see the argument if you consider that comic art as a whole, at least for superheroes, is and almost always has been based entirely on the nude form. But a lot of costumes for women go well beyond the nonchalant implied nudity of skintight male costumes and opt for outright nudity and downright impracticality. Also, heels. Why does any superheroine anywhere ever wear heels? It's not just sexist, it's stupid.

I could get behind the "it's the same because the costumes are skintight" argument a lot more easily if like 90% of comics fandom hadn't sperged out that one time Alex Ross did a cover where you could see the faint outline of a penis.

 

[fifthfiend]

RE: High heels I will say in all fairness it occurs to me that they're not entirely stupid in the handful of cases of like, Powergirl or someone to whom gravity literally does not apply.

Still kind of stupid, just not incredibly, counterproductively stupid.

Hey man, Robin's old shorts were skankier than anything any woman in the DU wears

This post actually beautifully demonstrates the double standard you're working from as that Robin's shorts were incredibly revealing relative to most male superheroes yet still covered more than an average superheroine costume.