Fandoms VS. Creators (over content, and creative directions)

[Mangle77]

Do elaborate. I've been following Rian Johnson on twitter for awhile now and I've listened to quite a few podcasts and the way he's handled the naysayers has been nothing but graceful. Most certainly, nothing that could remotely be considered "toxic."

Johnson's response wasn't terrible. Bad example on my part.

I absolutely do NOT support how some people treated Kelly Marie Tran. It's not her fault that Rose kinda...sucks. Not because of her ethnicity, but the "saving what we love" speech. But Rose is no where near as obnoxious as Vice Admiral Purple Hair, who couldn't even take the movie seriously enough to get through her ONE action scene, without saying "Pew-pew" when she fired her gun. If I had been directing, I would have fired her after the third time. Instead, that $#!+ was immortalized on film.

 

[moviedoors]

But Rose is no where near as obnoxious as Vice Admiral Purple Hair, who couldn't even take the movie seriously enough to get through her ONE action scene, without saying "Pew-pew" when she fired her gun. If I had been directing, I would have fired her after the third time. Instead, that $#!+ was immortalized on film.

So Lauren Dern goes "pew pew" and that's reason enough for someone to deserve to "go broke." I don't think you realize this, but you're the bad guy here.

 

[Mangle77]

So Lauren Dern goes "pew pew" and that's reason enough for someone to deserve to "go broke." I don't think you realize this, but you're the bad guy here.

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it. Lauren Dern DEFINITELY deserved to be fired. Also her character was both unlikeable, and unnecessary. It would have been SO much better to have Admiral Ackbar perform the Hyperspace Ramming maneuver! Instead, Ackbar died off screen. I could go on and on about all the bad choices in Last Jedi, but I think my point is clear; Lucasfilm needs to do some soul-searching, before they make any more movies. At least J. J. Abrams will direct the next one, maybe he can steer this ship away from the asteroid belt.

The only way to get the studios to listen is to hit them in the wallet.

 

[moviedoors]

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it. Lauren Dern DEFINITELY deserved to be fired. Also her character was both unlikeable, and unnecessary. It would have been SO much better to have Admiral Ackbar perform the Hyperspace Ramming maneuver! Instead, Ackbar died off screen. I could go on and on about all the bad choices in Last Jedi, but I think my point is clear; Lucasfilm needs to do some soul-searching, before they make any more movies. At least J. J. Abrams will direct the next one, maybe he can steer this ship away from the asteroid belt.

The only way to get the studios to listen is to hit them in the wallet.

I notice your signature now: you think a guy that wrote some funny-books you don't like is as repulsive as a WHITE NATIONALIST.

You're part of the problem.

 

[Sawyer]

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it. Lauren Dern DEFINITELY deserved to be fired. Also her character was both unlikeable, and unnecessary. It would have been SO much better to have Admiral Ackbar perform the Hyperspace Ramming maneuver! Instead, Ackbar died off screen. I could go on and on about all the bad choices in Last Jedi, but I think my point is clear; Lucasfilm needs to do some soul-searching, before they make any more movies. At least J. J. Abrams will direct the next one, maybe he can steer this ship away from the asteroid belt.

The only way to get the studios to listen is to hit them in the wallet.

.......................... you're fun.

 

[Bobber]

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it. Lauren Dern DEFINITELY deserved to be fired. Also her character was both unlikeable, and unnecessary. It would have been SO much better to have Admiral Ackbar perform the Hyperspace Ramming maneuver! Instead, Ackbar died off screen. I could go on and on about all the bad choices in Last Jedi, but I think my point is clear; Lucasfilm needs to do some soul-searching, before they make any more movies. At least J. J. Abrams will direct the next one, maybe he can steer this ship away from the asteroid belt.

The only way to get the studios to listen is to hit them in the wallet.

This post reeks of entitlement.

 

[Madam-Shogun]

This post reeks of entitlement.

He's right about Akbar though.

 

[Mangle77]

I notice your signature now: you think a guy that wrote some funny-books you don't like is as repulsive as a WHITE NATIONALIST.

I suppose I should clarify; I find tarnishing an American icon over election results to be about as repulsive as being a total *****ebag. The far right AND far left both suck.

You're part of the problem.

And what, pray tell, is the solution? I'm all ears.

This post reeks of entitlement.

As Americans, we are ALL entitled to decide for ourselves how to spend our hard-earned money. The director of a film is entitled to expect professionalism from the actors. Lauren Dern's behavior was NOT professional. I feel like someone should have spoken to HER about entitlement.

Again, only one of MANY problems in that film, but one that offended me more than a little bit. Quite frankly, if you love Star Wars, it should offend you, too.

He's right about Akbar though.

Thanks!

 

[moviedoors]

I suppose I should clarify; I find tarnishing an American icon over election results to be about as repulsive as being a total *****ebag. The far right AND far left both suck.

Captain American is not real. Richard Spenser is a literal ****ing nazi. The difference should be abundantly clear.

And what, pray tell, is the solution? I'm all ears.

Don't take stories so seriously that you wish pain and suffering on the creators of works you dislike. It's just a movie.

Again, only one of MANY problems in that film, but one that offended me more than a little bit. Quite frankly, if you love Star Wars, it should offend you, too.

That's absolutely ridiculous. It's just a movie. You want people to GO BROKE, to become destitute, to suffer, because they had fun on a movie set making a silly space opera.

And I'll throw this out there: The Last Jedi is the my favorite Star Wars movie. I think it's a beautiful film. I dislike other Star Wars movies, but their creation does not offend me, nor do I wish pain on those that made them. How ignorantly privileged you must be to hurt so much because of a movie.

 

[Bobber]

He's right about Akbar though.

You mean Admiral Ackbar, the character who has seven minutes of screentime across eight films?



Also, I'm not american, and it's hilarious that you assume everyone is.
But you're right. We are entitled to spend money the way we want to. And a director is entitled to make exactly the film that he or she wants to.


But we are not owed anything.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it. Lauren Dern DEFINITELY deserved to be fired. Also her character was both unlikeable, and unnecessary. It would have been SO much better to have Admiral Ackbar perform the Hyperspace Ramming maneuver! Instead, Ackbar died off screen. I could go on and on about all the bad choices in Last Jedi, but I think my point is clear; Lucasfilm needs to do some soul-searching, before they make any more movies. At least J. J. Abrams will direct the next one, maybe he can steer this ship away from the asteroid belt.

The only way to get the studios to listen is to hit them in the wallet.

Do you understand what hit them in the wallet means? It means you don't have to pay for the product they're selling. That doesn't mean wishing pain, suffering, or death on people. That is not speaking with your wallet. That is just being a moron. Sorry. I love the Fantastic Four. Josh Trank and Tim Story both made very bad FF films and ruined the brand. I don't wish ill will upon either. I hated the Star Wars prequels, but I don't wish ill will on George Lucas. Heck, the dude who played Jar Jar nearly killed himself because of idiot fanboys harassing him. I hate Jar Jar and find him annoying also, but to drive someone to the point where they literally consider killing themselves...well...when you start doing that to people, it isn't Lucasfilm who need to do soul searching. It is the people perpetuating this cycle of hate. The guy playing Jar Jar was doing his job. Rian Johnson was trying to make a great Star Wars film. You don't have to like either or support them. But being a decent human being is not too much to ask for.

 

[Herofan]

The Last Jedi is the my favorite Star Wars movie. I think it's a beautiful film. I dislike other Star Wars movies, but their creation does not offend me, nor do I wish pain on those that made them. How ignorantly privileged you must be to hurt so much because of a movie.

Movies and TV are interesting in that the outcomes are usually so extreme, wanting a writer or actor to go broke because of a bad script/performance does seem overly harsh (although that shouldn't actually happen due to savings) but it also seems unfair that someone who dad a bad job gets even richer, it would also be pretty extreme for someone who disliked their work to not be bothered by that. No film star is entitled to keep their job and make more money and have audiences help them do so. Thinking people shouldn't any longer have a great job isn't exactly wishing them to be in pain.

Sure, big movies are relatively unimportant but let's also not forget that they do involve budgets of hundreds of million of dollars and making people rich or not so real-world financially they're also not meaningless.

 

[blackdragon6]

You mean Admiral Ackbar, the character who has seven minutes of screentime across eight films?


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As oppose to a character we just met?? lol

 

[Spider-Fan]

Admiral Akbar is a glorified meme. He's barely a character.

 

[Bobber]

Ackbar has basically served no purpose to any of the characters or the plot in the Star Wars films. Giving him some sort of admirable death/send off would simply be fan catering.

 

[Ozbridge]

Admiral Akbar is a glorified meme. He's barely a character.

General audience (who have seen all previous movies) probably don’t even remember who Admiral Akbar is.

 

[Greens]

Admiral Akbar is a glorified meme. He's barely a character.

Boba Fett is barely a character and he's getting his own movie. Lucasfilm is not above exploiting memes.

 

[moviedoors]

Boba Fett is barely a character and he's getting his own movie. Lucasfilm is not above exploiting memes.

But that doesn’t mean they should

 

[Greens]

Agreed.

 

[chamber-music]

The Star Wars Prequels toxic reception among some elements of the fanbase seemed to seriously negatively effect the lives of some of the films leading actors.

The guy who played Jar Jar Binks became suicidal, Jake Lloyd was badly bullied and Natalie Portman said the movies almost ruined her career.

Portman said

Star Wars had come out … and everyone thought I was a horrible actress. I was in the biggest-grossing movie of the decade, and no director wanted to work with me. Mike wrote a letter to Anthony Minghella and said, ‘Put her in Cold Mountain, I vouch for her.’ And then Anthony passed me on to Tom Tykwer, who passed me on to the Wachowskis."

I think in some ways creators are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Sherlock, Game Of Thrones and The Force Awakens listened to some of their fanbase and got accused of too much fan service.

 

[K-Max]

Out of curiosity, do you feel that creators of the big franchises, the key decision makers make enough time to be on the same wave length of fans or do they keep disconnected?

For example, if it far-fetched to say some people who work in the big franchises are just there to do the job rather than being very, very intimate with it and their fans? So maybe the key decision makers don't get that wavelength from their fans?

And by the way, I bow at pretty much 99.99% at everyone's movie knowledge as I'm not a movie goer (and have a massive, growing backlog of films I haven't watched).

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Star Wars Prequels toxic reception among some elements of the fanbase seemed to seriously negatively effect the lives of some of the films leading actors.

The guy who played Jar Jar Binks became suicidal, Jake Lloyd was badly bullied and Natalie Portman said the movies almost ruined her career.

I will never defend the first two. But to be fair about the last one, Portman did give terrible performances in those films. It probably wasn't her fault, so I would have given her a chance, but having trouble finding work after being lousy at your last job is to be expected. The blame for that lies with Lucas and Portman herself, not the fans.

 

[Ozbridge]

Out of curiosity, do you feel that creators of the big franchises, the key decision makers make enough time to be on the same wave length of fans or do they keep disconnected?

I don't think being "on the same wave length of fans" and being "disconnected" are the only two options though. It is always a good idea to engage in fandoms and receive different opinions from different perspectives (as long as the creators stay clear of fanfics so they don't unconsciously get ideas from them). The movie is made for both the audience and the people involved in it, so imo knowing what the audience thinks and likes is important.

But knowing what the audience thinks and likes isn't the same as having the same opinions and liking the same things. What creators think and like matter too (and someone like, say, a director, who probably works 80 hours a week for years on a movie, is way more invested in a movie than 99.99% of the audience out there). Creators' perspective is another perspective (along with audience's perspective), and diversity in perspective is always helpful in making a well-rounded movie. Creators are also the ones with the education and experience, so their opinions are definitely valuable.

For example, if it far-fetched to say some people who work in the big franchises are just there to do the job rather than being very, very intimate with it and their fans? So maybe the key decision makers don't get that wavelength from their fans?

I think being "there to do the job" also involves researching on audience's opinions, because in order to do a good job one needs to know what the audience thinks (unless you're someone who make movies only for yourself, e.g. Luc Besson). But I think directors in franchise have deadlines and schedule on their work, and they can only research on a certain level, while being "very, very intimate with it and their fans" takes lots of time.

 

[blackdragon6]

General audience (who have seen all previous movies) probably don’t even remember who Admiral Akbar is.

He's important to the Lore, at the very least he should have gotten a honerable death in the EU. They just killed him cause he was in the way.

 

[Ozbridge]

He's important to the Lore, at the very least he should have gotten a honerable death in the EU. They just killed him cause he was in the way.

Well that's what I meant when I said "to the general audience". I'm quite geekier than a normal general audience and when I'd seen all 7 movies and watched Rebels (and read a few new novels), I still had no idea who he was. Only when I watched the Mon Cala arc in TCW I googled the name and realized he's the carp-man saying "It's the trap" if the gif I saw dozens of times on Tumblr.