Fant4stic Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - - Part 15

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Nah, its best to just go "double the production budget" and ignore marketing. Marketing budget is where most of the "funny" money and contract barter fit in; best to just ignore that, and figure that whatever real costs are balanced out by stuff like tax breaks.
 
Nah, its best to just go "double the production budget" and ignore marketing. Marketing budget is where most of the "funny" money and contract barter fit in; best to just ignore that, and figure that whatever real costs are balanced out by stuff like tax breaks.

True. Simpler to just go with double the production budget as it's not gonna be that far off the mark one way or another when the other bean counter factors might be more or less cancelling each other out anyway.
 
It's never a precise math due to other considerations (tax breaks, product placements, merchandising, after sales markets, royalties to actors/authors if applicable etc) but a WW gross of roughly double the budget (including marketing costs which are not always disclosed as part of that budget) is considered a near enough 'best guess' guide for a theatrical run break even target.

Anything above that and what comes from the after sales markets is all profit (subject to taxes of course). As some marketing costs are not disclosed when I see that I think it's maybe a bit more accurate to say 'double and add another $50mil', depending on how many TV spots an so on there have been (TASM2's marketing costs for example are thought to have been huge).

So yes, 'Terminator: Salvation' did indeed underperform on it's theatrical run, but that I think was simply down to it not being very good at all than the concept being worn out/audiences bored with it. In the longer term with after sales and so on it likely made a small overall profit, but not enough for them to continue the series where T4 left off: They are effectively stealth rebooting the franchise ala Star Trek/DOFP style time travel shenanigans in 'Genesis', and the return of Arnold.

As Donut said: its 'The return of Terminator'. As in Arnold, in person, rather than a CGi face cameo.

Will it do well? Hard to say... Arnies return is a big plus for fans of the franchise, and it going back to it's beginnings with Sarah & Kyle too add another factor of interest for me, but in the end if the story is a load of crap I wouldn't expect wonders. If the story is good though I could see it doing very well and ought to do better than this FF reboot.

The Terminator film rights went through a bizarre stretch of murky confusion that makes the Marvel stuff seem straightforward, but I though I'd add that the upcoming Terminator film isn't really from the same people as the last one. Salvation under performed, no ifs about it. It seems to have devalued the property a bit as well. The rights allegedly sold for significantly less than the $60-70 million desired (about half). Interesting that a Fox supporter (CWR, not wobbly, obviously) brought up the Terminator franchise in the first place. It made me think, "Hmm, if Terminator, a proven film franchise known all around the world, was only worth $30 million dollars after a film that made over $300 million, how little will the Fantastic Four's value be after next summer?"
 
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first look at the logo?
 
Is that their costumes? Just a wind breaker with a 4 logo on the back?
 
What more would you expect from a grounded take of F4?
 
Anyone else feel like they'll get the all black leather xmen treatment?
 
Well Ghost Rider didn't revert it was relinquished, if this does flop there is no obligation to relinquish the rights, they'll most likely hold on to them until the next deadline.

Except if it flops, the brand will be so tarnished that there will be no way to make a profit off of it. Fox would make more money by just selling the rights back than they would by holding onto them. And by 2020, Warner will have already established their properties, Sony will have either made Spider-Man viable again or sold the rights back and Marvel Studios will be on Phase 4.

This is really the last chance for Fox to make a great Fantastic Four film but best on the reception to the last two, it's going to be an uphill battle to gain any credibility and whatever the first trailer is really needs to amaze people.

Keep in mind that Marvel was able to produce an FF cartoon back in 2008 without Fox being involved and Marvel can also block Fox's attempts at merch while marketing their own merch based on the comics at the same time like they did to the X-Men. Fox has to rely purely on the film's reception to make a profit.

Sony's situation is a bit brighter since the first two films were well regarded but there has never been a single good film based on the Fantastic Four. Since Marvel did want the Silver Surfer rights back more than Daredevil, you can bet that if this movie ins't absolutely fantastic than Marvel will throw a massive amount of money at Fox for the FF back, then reboot during the early 2020s with Phase 4.

Also remember that while Marvel can push out a Spider-Man Netflix series, Fantastic Four would disrupt Marvel's plans and put a franchise on hold to make room for the FF since there is no way that Fantastic Four could be made on a TV budget.
 
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first look at the logo?

Grounded and realistic!

Seriously though, I think its just a gift from Fox to their cast member. Nicholas Hoult was given a bike with a logo of X-Men DOFP and that logo wasn't even used in the marketing that much.
 
Sorry, but you all are stupid if you think that's a costume.

It's a present of a wind breaker jacket for the cast and crew of the movie.

According to IMDB, he's "Delta Force Leader"
 
Sorry, but you all are stupid if you think that's a costume.

It's a present of a wind breaker jacket for the cast and crew of the movie.
It's a lost cause. :csad:
 
Don't get me wrong, I still have my reservations about the movie, aka short filming time than I would think it needs, Miles Teller as Reed, possibility of no costumes, and I'm sure there's smaller minor things I don't like that I can't place.

But I'm not gonna treat every single little thing like its the end all be all revelation that this movie is a lost cause.

Just have some common sense people. :csad:
 
That jacket definitely aint the costume, but I dont have high hopes for the costumes. Matter of fact I'm expecting each of them to have a different colored suit. They'll have the gaul to give us a grey Thing with orange pants.
 
Don't get me wrong, I still have my reservations about the movie, aka short filming time than I would think it needs, Miles Teller as Reed, possibility of no costumes, and I'm sure there's smaller minor things I don't like that I can't place.

But I'm not gonna treat every single little thing like its the end all be all revelation that this movie is a lost cause.

Just have some common sense people. :csad:

One poster with a history of making silly comments regarding this sad production suggested the jacket was an actual costume. The condescension from both yourself and JP is quite unnecessary.

People are treating every bit of info released on this film harshly because:

A) The harsh treatment is warranted based on the bizarre choices FOX has made in casting & tone,

B)Its comforting to vent alongside like-minded people regarding a film that may kill off Marvel's First Family as a franchise, and

C) Its funny.
 
At what point has Fox given even the slightest hint they *ever* intended to try and make a "great" Fantastic Four movie?
 
One poster with a history of making silly comments regarding this sad production suggested the jacket was an actual costume. The condescension from both yourself and JP is quite unnecessary.

People are treating every bit of info released on this film harshly because:

A) The harsh treatment is warranted based on the bizarre choices FOX has made in casting & tone,

B)Its comforting to vent alongside like-minded people regarding a film that may kill off Marvel's First Family as a franchise, and

C) Its funny.
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That jacket definitely aint the costume, but I dont have high hopes for the costumes. Matter of fact I'm expecting each of them to have a different colored suit. They'll have the gaul to give us a grey Thing with orange pants.

They probably wont even have costumes & if they do have costumes. It wont be real costumes. Especially since one of the cast members is on record saying they wont even be called The Fantastic Four in the movie. Why would they need costumes then ?
 
At what point has Fox given even the slightest hint they *ever* intended to try and make a "great" Fantastic Four movie?

No, and think that's an important point. As a fan, I'm frustrated and disappointed that they're putting so little effort into this.

But from a more practical perspective, it's just a small film that the studio doesn't care about and isn't expecting much from. They're not going to do a 180 and suddenly start promoting this closer to release.

It will come and go quietly. It won't be the #1 film on its opening weekend. Fox doesn't expect that and likely won't try to make that happen.

It will be a chronicle type film that many people will never even hear about, but some people will see it and it will probably make back its shoe-string budget.

That's pretty much it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's hard for both people who are excited about the film and those who think it will be a miserable failure to accept that it won't be exceptionally good or exceptionally bad.

It likely won't be exceptional in any way.
 
Don't get me wrong, I still have my reservations about the movie, aka short filming time than I would think it needs, Miles Teller as Reed, possibility of no costumes, and I'm sure there's smaller minor things I don't like that I can't place.

But I'm not gonna treat every single little thing like its the end all be all revelation that this movie is a lost cause.

Just have some common sense people. :csad:
Personally, I wouldn't mind having that jacket .
Looks kind of cool to me .
 
One poster with a history of making silly comments regarding this sad production suggested the jacket was an actual costume. The condescension from both yourself and JP is quite unnecessary.
Which poster?
That's it?:dry:
Is that their costumes? Just a wind breaker with a 4 logo on the back?
What more would you expect from a grounded take of F4?
:whatever:

People are treating every bit of info released on this film harshly because:

A) The harsh treatment is warranted based on the bizarre choices FOX has made in casting & tone,

B)Its comforting to vent alongside like-minded people regarding a film that may kill off Marvel's First Family as a franchise, and

C) Its funny.
A, did you really have to repeat harsh again for some bizarre reason? Other than 1-2 castings being "controversial" I wouldn't say it's in bizarre territory. As for tone, I'd say people have more issue with the minor info of the plot rather than the tone.
B, Over-dramatic much? Killing the Fantastic Four franchise? Take a xanax or something.
C, I'll just let TeeKay's post work as a response.
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Personally, I wouldn't mind having that jacket .
Looks kind of cool to me .
Maybe it's because I live in FL, but wind breakers aren't that appealing, plus while it's nice to make that and give it to the cast and crew, it looks pretty basic and boring to me.
 
Don't get me wrong, I still have my reservations about the movie, aka short filming time than I would think it needs, Miles Teller as Reed, possibility of no costumes, and I'm sure there's smaller minor things I don't like that I can't place.

But I'm not gonna treat every single little thing like its the end all be all revelation that this movie is a lost cause.

Just have some common sense people. :csad:
I meant using logic and reasoning. :csad:
 
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