Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 38

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because it is a Marvel movie... it's just not a Marvel Studios movie.

it's crazy to me that X-Men, FF and until recently Spiderman are no longer considered Marvel characters by some because their movies are made by other studios.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Exactly.

Marvel movies = Movie based on Marvel comics characters.
Marvel Studios Movies = Movies based on marvel comics characters from that studio.

Except the characters in the Marvel Studios movies actually you know... look and act like those characters.

 

[C. Lee]

Exactly.

Marvel movies = Movie based on Marvel comics characters.
Marvel Studios Movies = Movies based on marvel comics characters from that studio.

And the general audience doesn't know the difference.

EXAMPLE.....several women who work in my wife's office love the MCU movies....they didn't know Spider-Man was a MARVEL character because he hadn't been in any of the MCU movies. They thought that the new FF were going to be in the MCU movies because of the big red MARVEL banner at the beginning of the trailers like they were for ANT-MAN.

The general audience don't keep up with all of this like we do....they see MARVEL in bright letters before a superhero movie and they thing MCU.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it's crazy to me that X-Men, FF and until recently Spiderman are no longer considered Marvel characters by some because their movies are made by other studios.

Thats where you're wrong... and fail to understand. They're still marvel characters but not marvel movies. They're just considered movies based on marvel characters

 

[marvelrobbins]

so?marvel character don't mean marvel studios.

marvel logo was used for other studios films long before now.

 

[C. Lee]

it's crazy to me that X-Men, FF and until recently Spiderman are no longer considered Marvel characters by some because their movies are made by other studios.

the general audience don't keep up with this stuff like we do. They know the basics.....Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman go together. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, ala Avengers go together. Spider-Man is his own thing. The XMen are their own thing. I'm always explaining this to various people.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

so?marvel character don't mean marvel studios.

marvel logo was used for other studios films long before now.

Actually this film is using the marvel logo in a bigger way then the fox logo.. not equally or in a way conveying a higharchy. Unlike the way fox handles the xmen films

Its a different worl post marvel studios

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And the general audience doesn't know the difference.

EXAMPLE.....several women who work in my wife's office love the MCU movies....they didn't know Spider-Man was a MARVEL character because he hadn't been in any of the MCU movies. They thought that the new FF were going to be in the MCU movies because of the big red MARVEL banner at the beginning of the trailers like they were for ANT-MAN.

The general audience don't keep up with all of this like we do....they see MARVEL in bright letters before a superhero movie and they thing MCU.

That's the audiences ignorance then. The Marvel logos are different afterall.

This movie and all Fox Marvel movies before it, dating back to before there was an MCU have used the Marvel (not Marvel studios) logo legally and rightfully, nothing has changed on their part.

They've not misled audiences in the slightest

 

[Tony Stark]

it's crazy to me that X-Men, FF and until recently Spiderman are no longer considered Marvel characters by some because their movies are made by other studios.

This is 100% not true. No one has ever said such nonsense on these boards. In my experience, it's been others that have been trying to ignite studio wars.

Let's be clear, there are people, including myself that want to see Marvel characters under control of Marvel. There were many of us who supported X-men and Spider-man films, but there were also those of us who were disappointed by most of the efforts of TASM2, and many of the X-men films before first class.

No one has ever said they don't consider them Marvel characters.

 

[Zarex]

it's crazy to me that X-Men, FF and until recently Spiderman are no longer considered Marvel characters by some because their movies are made by other studios.

If the "X-Men" and "FF" are considered to be Marvel characters, then why the hell aren't they on my Marvel poster?

 

[wobbly]

the general audience don't keep up with this stuff like we do. They know the basics.....Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman go together. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, ala Avengers go together. Spider-Man is his own thing. The XMen are their own thing. I'm always explaining this to various people.

Same here. People see the Marvel banner and many do think it's part of the ongoing MCU and think it's all gonna be somehow connected to that. I've been asked "when are the X-Men gonna team up with the Avengers?" more than once...

Not being in the MCU doesn't make them 'no longer Marvel Characters' (who said that anyway?), but they are (on film) characters that are not under Marvel Studios control and are not connected to the MCU.

Simple truth is a lot of people do not seem to know that.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

If the "X-Men" and "FF" are considered to be Marvel characters, then why the hell aren't they on my Marvel poster?

It was so heartbreaking seeing that when it first released.

 

[Link]

All the posters here have huge text "From the studio that brought you X-Men: Days of Future Past" and the trailers have the same thing. Yeah they are totally trying to sell it as a MCU movie (y)

 

[Zarex]

It was so heartbreaking seeing that when it first released.

I'm hoping they'll be some major additions to the 2016 version.

 

[C. Lee]

That's the audiences ignorance then. The Marvel logos are different afterall.

I shake my head in bewilderment. Ignorance is relative.

So many times.....people in here speak with the voice of the comic book fan....that is to say, they have spent so much of their lives living the comic book related world....they forget that the rest of the world doesn't care that much. It may be vastly different logos to you....but to the rest of the world they see MARVEL. There are many things in their world that they know everything about....but the comic book fan is ignorant of. The point being....the studio know they are ignorant of the differences and only see the MARVEL name....so they show it prominately to lure them in. That's business....it's the way it has been done for decades.

 

[Tony Stark]

That's the audiences ignorance then. The Marvel logos are different afterall.

This movie and all Fox Marvel movies before it, dating back to before there was an MCU have used the Marvel (not Marvel studios) logo legally and rightfully, nothing has changed on their part.

They've not misled audiences in the slightest

Marvel has a brand, and they are trying to use that brand to promote the product. Yes they had access to the logo, but they are definitely trying to lure those fans of the MCU to this film.

I don't blame them from a marketing standpoint, it's a no brainer, but they definitely are trying to equate the quality of the Marvel Studios brand to this product.

Also using Deadpool now to promote the film just shows the desperation levels they've come to with this film. But it's been a terrible year for Fox studios, and they don't have any big films coming out soon, this was their big film for the summer, and they lost all the gains they had from their year last year. So from a business perspective, I don't blame them for trying.

 

[Quasar]

If the "X-Men" and "FF" are considered to be Marvel characters, then why the hell aren't they on my Marvel poster?

They're currently being held against their will in an alternate universe.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's the audiences ignorance then. The Marvel logos are different afterall.

This movie and all Fox Marvel movies before it, dating back to before there was an MCU have used the Marvel (not Marvel studios) logo legally and rightfully, nothing has changed on their part.

They've not misled audiences in the slightest

o come on now.. the only thing mostly that different is one says "studios" the other does not... lets not pretend it's hard to grasp

 

[wobbly]

If the "X-Men" and "FF" are considered to be Marvel characters, then why the hell aren't they on my Marvel poster?

Unintentional I'm sure but the image coming up there is a newer one where the FF and X-Men have been removed.

That isn't to say they aint Marvel Characters any more (they have been front & center in the current big event in the comics, and will still be around after), they just aint being used by marvel for any promotional materials.

 

[Zarex]

Unintentional I'm sure but the image coming up there is a newer one where the FF and X-Men have been removed.

That isn't to say they aint Marvel Characters any more (they have been front & center in the current big event in the comics, and will still be around after), they just aint being used by marvel for any promotional materials.

It was intentionally. Just a poorly constructed gag.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If the "X-Men" and "FF" are considered to be Marvel characters, then why the hell aren't they on my Marvel poster?

because that's MARVEL/Disney not wanting to promote X-men and Fantastic Four merchandise at the moment.. because it actually does hype up the films... it's about branding more so than "movies vs comics" the name brand supports the films.

 

[C. Lee]

They've not misled audiences in the slightest

Yes they are. As I said in the other post....the general audience don't know or see the difference....the studios know they don't know....so they play it up. Studios have done stuff like this since they started. Something is big at the time...studio makes a movie and ties it in somehow with the something big.....simple business. Some people don't like them doing it...some don't care....but it is being done and has been done millions of times before.

 

[wobbly]

It was intentionally. Just a poorly constructed gag.

Sorry, that's my fault: I clicked on it to get the bigger version and the redirect took me to a page with the old one shown first, so I wrongly assumed you thought you were posting that one.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

the general audience don't keep up with this stuff like we do. They know the basics.....Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman go together. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, ala Avengers go together. Spider-Man is his own thing. The XMen are their own thing. I'm always explaining this to various people.

Oh I know, there are even some I know who thought Batman could pop in Avengers and other stuff, I always have to explain it myself.

This is 100% not true. No one has ever said such nonsense on these boards. In my experience, it's been others that have been trying to ignite studio wars.

Let's be clear, there are people, including myself that want to see Marvel characters under control of Marvel. There were many of us who supported X-men and Spider-man films, but there were also those of us who were disappointed by most of the efforts of TASM2, and many of the X-men films before first class.

No one has ever said they don't consider them Marvel characters.

I have seen it with my own eyes on this board TS, not specifically the FF one, but I have seen people say they are not Marvel characters until they are at Marvel Studios, and I find it ridiculous. I am not saying these are the same people who simply want the rights to revert, but I have seen it for sure by other posters.

 

[sleekstereo]

To be honest, Sue being smarter (or atleast as smart) is not a problem for me. Reed is still the one who comes up with that tech.

Atleast Sue here is not a secretary like Alba was.

Exactly, part of Sue's role should be able to challenge Reed.