The Dark Knight Rises Far out idea for BB3 (Major Change from Source)

[Quinzel]

Admittedly, it'd make a good Schumacher idea. haha. J/k i'm not that mean.

 

[Chuck_the_bear]

I read this and thought of this pic

 

[Quinzel]

Ah! i have that one. haha.

 

[Doc Samson]

Actually the idea itself isn't that bad, Bruce having to play both sides to achieve his goals, but as others have stated, it would make more sense for them to introduce Matches Malone than to disregard a villain that could make for a potentially great film in his own right

 

[Comicfilmer]

Sucks.

This ain't a Sam Raimi flick.

It's okay to take certain liberties, but this one is horrible.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

the idea is fairly good, but making Wayne into Black Mask has no point. Just make it Matches Malone instead of Black Mask. It is truer to the comics and doesn't really take away anything from what you already have.

If you wanted to do it like The Departed, have the Riddler/Nashton working in the GCPD as a mole for Black Mask (Or Penguin), then have Gordon informing Batman on Nashton's plots to catch him and blame crimes on him.

You could easily make a whole movie out of Black Mask and the Riddler and Batman and Gordon all trying to catch one another. If you wanted to mix it up even more throw in Catwoman who is playing both sides off against one another. Black Mask is paying her to find out Batman's identity and Batman has promised to give her some breathing room in the narrows if she can catch Nashton and Black Mask cooperating. The best part about it would be the whole movie could even fit the theme of a riddle. With no one knowing at any one time who the real good guys are.

 

[The Guard]

No...I see where it's coming from, but no.

For one thing, the mob's not been portrayed as so much of a threat that he'd HAVE to do that.

And two, it doesn't make sense in the context of his character arc. I'd like to believe the film's version of Bruce Wayne has learned something about escalating things by this point. Posting as a new gang boss, Black Mask would be throwing fuel onto the fire.

 

[MaJiN]

Batman's labeled as a cop killer, which is why I figure that Batman 3 might start off with Bruce Wayne in disguise as Matches Malone to duck from the police.

 

[hegele]

Also, Begins wasn't inspired by Bond films. The recent Bond films were effected by Begins.

In a way they were, Nolan has said that On Her Majesty's Secret Service was one of his favorite films, and that he wanted to make a "big" film like that one day.

Though you are right, Casino Royale's re-imagination of Bond wouldn't have come if Batman Begins wasn't as successful as it was.

 

[Quinzel]

Batman's labeled as a cop killer, which is why I figure that Batman 3 might start off with Bruce Wayne in disguise as Matches Malone to duck from the police.

Ahh i remember that one!!

 

[ND Irish]

stop reading 3 lines in.
interesting idea, not a chance in hell for it to happen

 

[Melkay]

Bear with me.

That's by far the most difficult request anyone has ever asked from me.
And I tried. God knows I tried. It demanded all my patience.

In the end, I think it is the most daring idea I've read in these forums. Props to that. It could be a great plot device. And it's so crazy that it could work. But I'm afraid Nolan would have his home sieged by gangs of enraged BlackMask fans.

It is like having the Joker being the Red Hood... except that happened a long time ago, in COMICS. The "right now, in film" is quite different for fans.

Overall, it is a daring, imaginative idea. But maybe too volatile. And has a logic problem of its own: how in earth is Bruce going to split his time in not one, but three different personalities? Maybe little intro talking about a whole year without Batman anywhere, and Gotham citizens wondering where the hell he went to. And then it is revealed that Bruce had infiltrated the now freakish criminal underworld and orchestrated a coup against it. But, would he leave the streets unprotected, witout Batman, for a whole year??

I don't know, too far-fetched. If there was a logic way to do this, maybe...

But props for the outside-the-box, inventive and daring idea. We need more of that.

 

[Melkay]

It doesn't make sense in the context of his character arc. I'd like to believe the film's version of Bruce Wayne has learned something about escalating things by this point. Posting as a new gang boss, Black Mask would be throwing fuel onto the fire.

This is true.

Just make it Matches Malone instead of Black Mask. It is truer to the comics and doesn't really take away anything from what you already have.

Also true, but the problem is also time distribution, and the escalation thing Guard mentioned.

 

[mrbrownie]

The only ideas I can relate to in this thread are:

• Giving good use to the Matches Malone persona.
• Blackmask/Penguin and Riddler and a 3rd Mole a la Departed

 

[Daredevil_2003]

No...I see where it's coming from, but no.

For one thing, the mob's not been portrayed as so much of a threat that he'd HAVE to do that.

And two, it doesn't make sense in the context of his character arc. I'd like to believe the film's version of Bruce Wayne has learned something about escalating things by this point. Posting as a new gang boss, Black Mask would be throwing fuel onto the fire.

When has the mob ever really been portrayed as a menacing entity? Compared to the rogue's gallery, any mob looks like child's play. Even their best appearances in the comics (Y1/TLH) have this problem. Doesn't mean they aren't a big threat. They're not gonna poison the cities water supply or blow up hundreds of people just to play a game and prove a point, but, they are responsible for all the things eating away at Gotham. Guns, drugs, prostitution, racketeering, illegal gambling, crooked cops and politicians...you average, every day street crime that may not have as immediate of an effect as any scheme by The Joker but, as we aptly saw in BB and in real life in places such as New York in the 70's etc over time these things turn a city into a cesspool.

And I don't think it would be out-of-character, at all. Batman's done the very thing we're arguing about in the comics, before. I think the lesson he's learned is that things are never going to just get better. He's not gonna wake up one morning and Gotham will be the Garden of Eden. Drastic times call for drastic measures and Nolan's Batman has already shown he's willing to go just as far as his comic counterpart (the sonar machine at the end, anyone?). Posing as a mobster is something he would and has done. The whole setup for War Games is practically the same idea as this. Batman attempting, through a fake identity, to take control of the mob and finish them off for good from the inside.

As I said, outside of using Black Mask as the cover, I'm really digging it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why would you want Batman to become another villain? Batman will already be a villain in the eyes of Gotham in the next film anyway. Theres no need for all this, You've got quite a imagination there though. Which is a good thing if used right!

 

[Goodfellas]

Thank god these morons who are making these threads filled with horrible ideas(Riddler as commisoner,TDK 2.5,Alfred as Batman?) are not the ones making this movie


Dear god people just because its different doesnt automatically make it good

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Thank god these morons who are making these threads filled with horrible ideas(Riddler as commisoner,TDK 2.5,Alfred as Batman?) are not the ones making this movie


Dear god people just because its different doesnt automatically make it good

It wouldn't surprise me if the people making these films went through just as many stupid ideas...that's the creative process. I highly doubt they just shoved their hand up their ass and pulled out the script for BB and TDK.

I hate how anyone with an idea around here gets insulted...it's not like he asked for nipples on the batsuit or the introduction of Bat-Mite or have Robin introduced and the two would run off to the Bahama's and spend the movie frolicking around on the beach and makin whoopy.

 

[Jick]

I'll be honest...I usually hate this kind of suggestions...
but this idea didn't bother me. I actually like it.

 

[Goodfellas]

It wouldn't surprise me if the people making these films went through just as many stupid ideas...that's the creative process. I highly doubt they just shoved their hand up their ass and pulled out the script for BB and TDK.

I hate how anyone with an idea around here gets insulted...it's not like he asked for nipples on the batsuit or the introduction of Bat-Mite or have Robin introduced and the two would run off to the Bahama's and spend the movie frolicking around on the beach and makin whoopy.

Lol on the last sentence but seriously iam all for new ideas but that one sucked

Iam just saying my opinion on that, aren't opinions supposed to be apart of the creative process?

 

[I Am The Knight]

At first I didn't know if I should open fire or fall in love, but...

I like this idea, actually. But I don't think it would be necessary. The Mob is actually quite f***ed up at the end of TDK already.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

Lol on the last sentence but seriously iam all for new ideas but that one sucked

Iam just saying my opinion on that, aren't opinions supposed to be apart of the creative process?

You don't have to call them morons, though...

I doubt the Nolan brothers work that way...but then, they are brothers so maybe they do call each other moron's and maybe even smack each other around? I wonder who would win?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Jonah Nolan is bigger than Chris...

 

[Daredevil_2003]

At first I didn't know if I should open fire or fall in love, but...

I like this idea, actually. But I don't think it would be necessary. The Mob is actually quite f***ed up at the end of TDK already.

The Roman/Maroni family, the chechens, and the Gambol crew, at least. There's still plenty of mobsters out there to step up and take their place.

Rupert Thorne, Oswald Cobblepot, Black Mask...anyone?

 

[Grommers]

I'm really hoping for Mr. Thorne.