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The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Beyond (where I'd take the series after TDKR)

I've followed Batman stories all my life. From comics , movies , tv...and i will never understand internet's love for Batman Beyond.
I not crazy about it either and if I were doing a future-time Batman movie, I wouldn't do Beyond. I'd rather something different and original....way past when Wayne has already died and different people involved.
 
I not crazy about it either and if I were doing a future-time Batman movie, I wouldn't do Beyond. I'd rather something different and original....way past when Wayne has already died and different people involved.

I'd actually wouldn't mind something along the lines of Batman INC., I always thought that was an interesting idea
 
Never heard of it, but might check it out.
 
No John Blake film. No returning to Nolan's universe. Even though I am not a big fan of how Nolan ends things, I don't want his universe necessarily revisited either.

So then what? How about a film inspired by the comic series Hush? It would then include some characters Nolan didn't use- like Poison Ivy, Huntress, and Harley Quinn. Plus, it would take the Batman film series is a very different direction from Nolan.

One other thing: Make Batman a true master detective. He is called The Dark Knight Detective for a reason. Embrace that aspect of the character and have him use his brains as much as his brawn to ultimately defeat his enemy. Nolan never truly embraced this aspect of Bruce/Batman. I want the next team to do so.

Also, let's get Barbara Gordon into the mix. As Oracle perhaps.
 
How long you guys think until wb goes for another chapter ? Batman always has been a huge property , but right now its money in the bank . Two back to back 2d billion dollars movie ...the temptation is huge. I think the biggest doubt will be , revisiting Nolan's universe , going for something totally different (a complete reboot) , or something to tie to JLA (i never liked it) .

Are we looking for a normal 3 year gap or you feel it will take much longer ?
 
No John Blake film. No returning to Nolan's universe. Even though I am not a big fan of how Nolan ends things, I don't want his universe necessarily revisited either.

So then what? How about a film inspired by the comic series Hush? It would then include some characters Nolan didn't use- like Poison Ivy, Huntress, and Harley Quinn. Plus, it would take the Batman film series is a very different direction from Nolan.

One other thing: Make Batman a true master detective. He is called The Dark Knight Detective for a reason. Embrace that aspect of the character and have him use his brains as much as his brawn to ultimately defeat his enemy. Nolan never truly embraced this aspect of Bruce/Batman. I want the next team to do so.

Also, let's get Barbara Gordon into the mix. As Oracle perhaps.
Again, most of us seem to agree that they shouldn't actually continue/spinoff from Nolan's world. But we're just hypothetically saying if they did....for s***s and giggles.

If it were me, I'd go WAY off and evolve things far from where they started...maybe to a point where it wasn't about anything Bat-related except for a few reminders. Who know what he started will become 50 years from now, 200 years for now? It might turn really bad an misguided for a number of generations, like a brutal League Of Shadows.

But of course, ideally, the Nolan-verse should be left alone on its own terms. WB should be able to develop new stuff instead of depending on this and running it into the ground.
 
Give it to the folks over at HBO and we get to enjoy this stuff for 6yrs (ala "The Wire").
 
I don't think it was destroyed in TDKR, so have Blake train in Bane's prison with Wayne. As a final step Blake must climb the wall just like Wayne did.

Without the broken back, of course.
 


T H E D A R K K N I G H T B E Y O N D

  • Influences would include the Nightwing story arc and Batman Beyond.

  • Blake gets ****ed up during his first patrol out in the city as Batman.

  • A gang inspired by the Joker are running around ****ing **** up similar to the Citizens for Batman copycats.

  • A mobster known only as Black Mask has taken control of the criminal underworld and uses remnants of Bane's former mercenaries and Blackgate inmates who have gone "underground" as muscle, the group is led by a hulking brute based on the Mutant Leader from Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Blake seeks out Alfred Pennyworth to get in touch with Wayne.

  • Wayne decides to train Blake out in the mountains, tells him to become his own "beast".

  • Blake returns to Gotham and Fox develops a suit for him.

  • Blake debuts as Nightwing and in his first act, he manages to lock up most of the members from the Joker copycat gang.

  • Blake returns and ****s up the head of Black Mask's muscle.

  • Black Mask manages to kill Blake's mentor, Gordon, sending Blake to beating down Black Mask to the point of death.

  • The whole theme of the film would be "Inspiration", delving into the consequences of Batman as a symbol and Blake trying to live up to the legend Bruce left behind for him.
Sort of want.

More.

  • Casting call
    • Idris Elba, Cliff Curtis or Javier Bardem confirmed for leader of Black Mask's muscle. Origins are unknown but they would have alot of pull amongst the left over League of Shadows and Blackgate inmates who have escape persecution.
    • Paul Dano as the head of the Joker gang that the media has dubbed, "the Jokers". They would refer themselves though as "agents of chaos".
    • Haven't decided on who should be Black Mask though.
DUH-DUH-DUH!

I was actually thinking Alberto Falcone would be Black Mask. Yeah, it's a rewrite but I'm basing this in the 'Nolan-verse' plus it would tie it back to Begins. At first, Blake with detective work that Roman Sionis is Black Mask. Until it's revealed that he was killed six months prior by Alberto Falcone leading to Alberto being the one really behind the mask. That would be the twist.

I like it. I would keep Gordon alive as much as possible if Oldman okay with it though.

I don't know if Nightwing/Robin or Batman Beyond stuff goes better with general audience. Batman's charm is he is dressed up like that. I would personally prefer him to dress up like Batman Beyond costume.

Maybe he starts as Nightwing and modifies it to Batman-ish costume. Maybe he needed to dress up like Batman because there are other guy who gives a bad name for his legacy..like Azrael in Knightfall.

Let's be honest.. Nightwing might be extremely boring looking main hero for general audience. People goes these movies because Batman.
 
If anything I'd want to do something where it's evolved from just one man in a suit, and to give everything a different dynamic than just what they got before with some different people.

Actually...you know what I'd like to do as a trilogy? Jump way forward with each installment. You're in Batman Beyond-ish time by the second, then way into the future by the third. That way you're really evolving the ideals and legacy of what Batman established, and spanning truly epic measures of time with each prior story really being the stuff of legend to the next.

Love it.

First movie is set five years after TDKR. After Blakes training, hes around 30 years old maybe fighting in a Nightwing esque identity. A Batman Beyond suit is teased at the end. Barbara Gordon falls in love with him, she's the Oracle.

The second is like Beyond. But several years later. He's at the end of his time as Batman and he's passing the torch but he could be choosing a few kids from the orphanage.

The third would be set into the distant future. Kind of like what u said, but 20 years later (would place it at the year 2050 about), and what Gotham is like and how Batman as a symbol has progressed would be the main topic. It's like a League of Shadows of their own but with completely different methods of course. Bruce could be in his late 60s..and maybe he comes back to Gotham, and the sons of batman have become too violent or something. Blake has died. So, he's back like an older Ra's to teach them what it's all about.

Since Blake died (Bruces successor) there's a whole League but they dont have much direction. They've steered away from Bruces original intention, some are around but too violent like Azrael/Red Hood kind of behavior. Some have been sucked in by the mob takeover, and some are just waiting for direction. That's when Bruce returns. He's respected but feared because they thought he was dead for a long time, they almost look at him as immortal (like ra's).

He takes in Dick Grayson who's parents were killed by Tony Zucco at a circus. Bruce dubs him Robin in honour of John Blake who was the first man who took Batmans torch. Penguin has taken over as the Mayor, Black Mask has infiltrated a lot of key businesses, it's just mayhem now. Bruce has to lead his men so they can change it around, and prepare for a new young generation at the same time. By the end, all crimelords are wiped out and Batmans symbol has spread and infiltrated businesses, other political movements, the police. There's 1 in each field, to make sure that it always stays positive and the people are always in charge and able to fight off any crime. Just like the League of Shadows had their people planted in unlikely positions, it's the same here.

Each of them may have different identities, even if there's not an actual Batman around. If there is at this point, it would be Terry McGinnis. Tim Drake could be a cop. This part could be stupid so toss that out if u like, but it's just me brainstorming. They're all traced back to the school of orphaned children that's located in Wayne Manor.

So i took your ideas lol and went a bit crazy. You can even forget all that crap, and just go with the basics (your idea of a trilogy minus all the details i added) and it would be pretty cool. Even as a graphic novel or on paper only.
 
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I think Im probably looking at it more like a sci-fi approach somewhat. And to be honest, it'd probably be a better proposal for a series of graphic novels than films...which would probably have to be more 'bat-focused'. Whereas what I have in mind metamorphosizes more existentially away with each installment....but somehow always reflects on it. I'd just like to try something where the ideology evolves and even has its ups and downs over ongoing generations and sensibilities. Like by the second film, what it's become may be all but unrecognizable from the initial Batman/Wayne Batworld...and then a century later by the end, it may have become so corrupt that someone HAS to look way back to the ancient days of Bruce Wayne, the legend and forefather of it all, to find inspiration and point it in the right direction. But almost definitely something that WB would never greenlight. :D

Actually sounds a bit like Star Wars. :barf:
 
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What´s wrong about a new Batman film? we have the Nolan saga, we can have another saga, the batuniverse it´s almost infinitive, we could have a lot of sagas like james bond, diferent stories diferent villians and diferent visions.

i hope to see one day a new riddler version or the mad hatter and scar face, eve the pinguin.
 
Read the thread before you post. There's a few of them around. It's just some of us brainstorming on where we would take the story, with Blake.
 
See, i'd go for a Dark Knight Returns angle. No mutants, but I would set it four or five years on, give Blake's Bat/Nightwing time to develop against street thugs and any stragglers from the mob. Than Bane returns. Turns out getting shot didn't severely wound him but he was rescued by five of his men who took him underground along with a mob doctor taken out of Blackgate. Doctor saved him but Bane was comatose for maybe three years, his muscles deteriorating and him becoming weak.
However, recently a new drug was discovered, Venom, a steroid that boosts the user almost instantly, and brought Bane back into the game.
At that point I would have Bane kill Blake as well as form an uneasy alliance with Crane and The Joker, forcing Bruce to have to return to the Bat once more.
 
I dunno....I really can't see him not being dead from a 20-30mm shot pretty-much point blank. Unless he's Superman, he's f'in dead, yo?
 
Meh, he got smoked by a missile to the chest just a few feet away. That mother****er is DEAD.

We already saw Bruce retire, come back, get destroyed, build himself up to return to Gotham, only to "die" so he can retire in peace, for good. There's a lot of Dark Knight Returns in Rises. To have him even older to return once more would be the definition of repetition.
 
I rather a reboot. Batman movie without a Batman just doesn't seem right.

However if WB wants to contine without Batman, at least Blake must wear some sort of Bat-outfit.

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That suit looks so demonic.

It proves that there's a way to completely hide the mouth, voice, etc of JGL's Batman if ppl want to argue that he might sound too wussy or u would 100 percent know that it's not the same person. A futuristic Beyond suit like that where everything is covered would be pretty cool. The Batman is supposed to look like a demon anyway.

Build a voice enhancer (or he barely has to talk), and something to breathe properly inside the mask/suit.
 

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