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Favorite CBM Villain (2017)

I guess I just don't like X-24. Yeah, I get what they were trying to say...how could I not when they were so hamfisted with it. It basically screamed "Look! Themes!" to me, but then again the movie as a whole isn't very subtle so it's par for the course.

I don't see why they couldn't have easily went with the "evil Logan" by using Omega Red or Sabretooth. One also comes from a lab and the other is his own brother. They could have easily shown the same theme and been more subtle and interesting about it than having a clone.

I also wasn't impressed with the twist concerning Xavier's death. I mean, did anyone for a second actually believe it was Logan who did it? The shock factor comes from him being murdered out of nowhere, not from the clone.
 
So far I've seen LEGO Batman and Logan in their entirety, and Lego Joker is more memorable than any villain in Logan.
I grew weary of the constant "YAAAHH" from X-23, X-24 having more "YAAAHH" grates me more, Donald Pierce is the forgettable guy who stands there, that doctor is kinda impressive in comparison.

I saw less than the first half of Wonder Woman, and to me Ares is scary before being shown, and the perception of Doctor Poison made the small scene I saw of her pretty intense.
 
Update.

1. Vulture easily.
2. Donald Pierce
3. Ego
4. Dr. Poison
5. who cares
 
Dr. Poison in Wonder Woman. Guess I already voted for her though.
 
1. Vulture



2. Ego
3. The blonde henchman guy from Narcos in Logan
4. Dr. Poison/Danny Huston
5. Ares
 
I guess I just don't like X-24. Yeah, I get what they were trying to say...how could I not when they were so hamfisted with it. It basically screamed "Look! Themes!" to me, but then again the movie as a whole isn't very subtle so it's par for the course.

I don't see why they couldn't have easily went with the "evil Logan" by using Omega Red or Sabretooth. One also comes from a lab and the other is his own brother. They could have easily shown the same theme and been more subtle and interesting about it than having a clone.

I also wasn't impressed with the twist concerning Xavier's death. I mean, did anyone for a second actually believe it was Logan who did it? The shock factor comes from him being murdered out of nowhere, not from the clone.

Huh.

The first hour or so are some high quality storytelling. Seriously good stuff.

It establishes the world and backstory so well through visuals and cues instead of beating you over the head with it. Subtle hints over the radio, Logan's diminished healing, the shots of the border, the clientele of the limo, Caliban reacting negatively to the sun, the driver-less trucks, the corn-farming machines. It's some really subtle moves, but it's such a stark contrast to other superhero movies that take so much time to set up the premise and do so clunkily, Logan just glides smoothly through it's setup, the audience completely in belief of the world and characters the film sets up.

Or when Xavier mentions the Statue of Liberty, the audience and Wolverine think he's talking about the events of X1, but he's actually talking about the Liberty Motel in which Laura and the nurse are staying at.
 
Vulture was a really good villain, the drive scene was damn tense. But overall I still found Ego the best villain of the year so far.
 
Vulture is by far the best, even though admittedly I was slightly disappointed, only because I think so highly of Keaton that my expectations were probably alittle too high. But he was definitely very good.

Everyone seems to love Ego on this board so I'm going to give him another shot, pay more attention to his character next time I watch Guardians 2, because he did absolutely nothing for me on the first viewing. Ronan was much, much better IMO.

Donald Pierce was solid, I like mean SOB villains. But he's nothing special, just a solid antagonist.

Ares fell flat for me mostly, his speeches were overbearing and dull. David Thewlis is a good actor, he was good in his role as Sir Patrick, that's right up his alley but as Ares he wasn't intimidating or threatening at all and honestly he just talked too damn much lol. Armor did look cool though.

General Ludendorff was underwritten and kind of one-note, Danny Huston is capable of a better performance. Dr. Poison in theory is a cool character but the dialogue and acting was pretty bad/cheesy.

X-24 was just a fight scene/plot device. Kinda cool to watch but no character/depth there and not scary/intimidating enough (like Jaws or the T-Rex in Jurassic Park or even Winter Solider to use an actual comic book character) to make it memorable.
 
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Vulture, Ego, and Dr. Poison are the only notable villains from the year. Ares, X-24, Donald Pierce weren't terrible, but they didn't bring anything unique to their respective parties. I don't even want to get into the ridiculous Lego Batdouche Joker and all of the other unrecognizable villains in that creative debacle. I have high hopes for Hela and Steppenwolf.
 
1) Vulture
2) Donald Pierce
3) Ego
4) Ares
 
1. EGO provided a personal conflict between Starlord and his dad. His manipulation of SL feelings made him more cruel-and he was a challenge to defeat.

2) Vulture showcased Keaton's ability to be quietly terrifying. He had some decent character motivations, which seemed to be more than Ares got.

3) Ares (even with the twist) may be the most generic bad guy in quite some time-but he at least gets WW to question her identity. Thewlis should have had his face uncovered for the final battle-it could showcase his acting.

4) Pierce is just a *****e, a terrible one, but not particularly compelling.
 
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My ratings this year so far:

1) Ego
2) Vulture
3) Donald Pierce
4) Ares
5) X24
6) Dr Poison
7) Xander Rice
8) Shocker
10) Luddendorf
 
Ego and Vulture, the best villain so far this year
 
I was gonna say Vulture, who was a great villain with an awesome design, played by a wonderful actor. I think Ego edges him out just a tad though. I HATED that guy after his admission to Peter and then destroying the Walkman. Lol.
1. Ego
2. Vulture
3. Donald Pierce (I guess)
4. Ares
 
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Some of my thoughts on Toomes:

He was a good villain, IMO. The scene with him and Peter in the car was very intense. Keaton was great in that scene and I totally bought that this was a man who would do anything for his family.

Toomes vs Peter was an interesting match-up:

Both of them took responsibility for others. Toomes was committing crime in order to improve his families life, as well as his own. Peter was saving people and being a hero, which was coming at the expense of his own life, as he was leaving parties early, ignoring calls from his aunt, getting in trouble at school and leaving the girl he liked in order to stop crime.

Both were being denied what they wanted by the elite (i.e. Tony Stark). Toomes felt the system was against him and that he was being denied opportunities due to the likes of Stark, hated him, and felt he had to do desperate things to be able to provide for his loved ones. Peter on the other hand, thought very highly of Stark, wanted to be like him and was desperate to join him in the Avengers.

In a way, Toomes is like a dark version of what Peter was in Civil War when his main goal was to look out for the "little guy". Toomes was also doing what he was doing to provide for the "little guy" (i.e. his family and himself, and while he didn't mention them as his main motivation, he was also providing for the people working with him). Toomes even admired Peter and saw a bit of himself in him too, as he felt Peter understood what he meant when he spoke about doing anything for his family and having to pick up after and do the dirty work for the likes of Stark.

He was also like a poor version of Peter as well. Unlike Peter, he felt he was forced to do what he was doing to look out for his family because he was being denied by the elite, whereas Peter wasn't forced to be a hero, but chose to be because he felt that it was something that someone with his power should be doing "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

Toomes was like a poor, dark version of Stark too. A poor version, in that he was felt he was forced to sell weapons because he believed it was the only way he could provide for his loved ones (Tony, of course, was rich because of selling weapons), and a dark version, in that he knew the horrible effects they were having on people, but kept going. When Tony found out the terrible things his weapons were causing, he made changes.

Toomes was willing to do whatever it took to achieve his goal, including killing people if necessary. Peter desperately wanted to avoid killing, and kept refusing to use his suits instant-kill mode. It should be noted that Adrian did spare Peter for saving his daughter, and he may have kept his identity secret at the end of the movie because Peter saved his life too, so he did have some honour.

It was fitting that part of the final fight between the two took place in the sky, as for most of the movie, Peter was aiming very high, wanting to join the Avengers. IMO, it was even more fitting that the fight finished on the ground, as that is ultimately where Spider-Man belongs and is needed now. He is needed to protect the "little guy" from the likes of Toomes, and maybe even help and prevent other people from becoming desperate like Toomes, feeling the only way they can provide for loved ones is crime.
 
Ego and Vulture were pretty good. I liked WW but the villains didn't impress me. Disliked LEGO Batman, loved Logan but not because of the villains.

I don't expect Steppenwolf to be any good. Blanchett's character is shaping up to be pretty cool.
 
Vulture is easily my favorite of the movie villains this year.
 

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