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Favorite Joker "interpretation"

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With the character getting so much attention, what is your favorite incarnation or interpretations? I think these are the main categories he can fall into:

-The manic murderer/prankster: B:TAS and Jack Nicholson are examples. Just spreading mayhem for fun and laughs, no deeper motivation.

-The Depraved Crime Lord: The main example i can think of is azzarello/bermejo's new GN. This J-man is still insane, but he's after more conventional rewards (power, attention, etc.)

-The Agent of Chaos: Out to prove a point. Like Ledger says, "its about sending a message..." TDK and The Killing Joke are good examples.

Are there other interpretations you can think of? Which is your fav?
 
I like the murdering prankster which aside from BTAS and '89 if we're going to use comic examples could be found in the Strange Apparitions tpb amongst many others. There's just something really creepy to me about a guy who does all those evil deeds for no other reason than his own amusement. The simplicity of the execution of his crimes through pranks is what makes him the most spontaneous. To me that would be scariest if this were a real person.
 
Joker without a sense of humor isn't the Joker. That's the defining characteristic that separated him from all the cookie-cutter cliché killers that are a dime-a-dozen in comic books. There’s nothing inherently unique or intelligent about a murderous antagonist. He's made unique not by being a killer, but by how he kills with a sadistic sense of pleasure and humor. Homicide made fun. His humor's required. He's being treated perhaps too dark anymore. It's getting so hyper reality that it's ironically becoming just the opposite; unrealistic. I like the prankster/killer blending and that’s certainly the most ironic and long-lasting version of the character. I’d classify that Joker as Killing Joke Joker though; Basically BTAS Joker without restrictions or even Jack Nicholson. Heath even played him on levels, just less gimmicky. I really don't think many of your example Jokers are all that different. Prankster Joker has been Heath Ledger in ways, he’s been gang lord-like at times, he’s been horrifyingly frightening. You picked poor examples. No offence. Your three oftentimes blend together in the comics and films. The vastly differing Joker interpretations through the vast history of Batman lore are generally considered by comic historians as;

- Original Bob Kane/Bill Finger homicidal murderer: In the 1940’s he essentially was a straight-up homicidal maniac with little sense of humor. This was extremely short lived as he increasingly got more and more sickly comedic as his appearances went, so much as morbidly laughing at the irony of being stabbed by his own knife and the notion of his own death.

- 1950's Comic Code Joker: Extremely censored and more mischievous then ever deadly. Not really threatening whatsoever. Think Cesar Romero.

- 1970's Dennis O’Neil revival: He took the Jokers roots and meshed them with a skewed, twisted, and dark version of the comedic side, blended them together, and out came arguably the most iconic version. This essentially encompasses Killing Joke, Jack Nicholson, Batman the Animated Series, and Heath Ledger Jokers to varying degrees. Some have a pinch more Original Joker, some a slice more comedic, but they all belong in the blending catagory.

You could argue that Mark Hamill’s animated interpretation wasn’t nearly as fierce, but I’d argue that it’s not out of a lack of trying but merely that Batman stops him before he can do it, nor does graphic and gratuitous violence make the character what he is. Admittedly they couldn’t get away with showing murder fully on screen, but they did show his gassed and grimacing victims. Bruce Timm feels that, in some ways, that’s worse. He’s every bit as deadly…just fought a losing battle against an animated “children’s show” timeslot. I use that term loosely as that show was anything but a Saturday morning cartoon. It had an unprecedented amount of adult undertones that never ceases to astonish me. They got away with everything but murder…and even then you know it’s going on behind the curtain.
 
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The murdering prankster for me. Honestly I can't stomach the other versions, they are just too far removed form the character's pride and ego for me. He is a character who is so scary not because of violence, in fact too much blood was often regarded as being "sloppy" to him, but scary instead for his manic intensity and shifts from laughing clown to laughing killer.

The Agent of Chaos is a bit flawed in my eyes. It worked in The Dark Knight but honestly this character couldn't have a lot of different stories in the comics if he didn't care for money or gain in any way.

I loath the psycho skin stripping rapist Joker with a passion. It probably harkens back to the pre Dark Knight release days when a heap of so-called "fans" wanted Joker to kill a baby and eat it, or pee in dead guys mouths etc. The jury's still out on the Joker novel as I haven't read all of it yet, but I gotta say I'm not that interested in the interpretation, its easier to write a Joker who kills people in exceedingly gruesome ways than to write a Joker who's both manic and hilarious, while coming up with the most insane and deadly of schemes.

This is why Joker's Five Way Revenge, The Laughing Fish, The Killing Joke and Devil's Advocate are my favourite Joker stories.
 
The manic murderer/prankster because as was mentioned above, there's so much more range with that version of the character.
 
i think the perfect joker needs a little bit of all those aspects.
 
I agree with you guys that the maniacal prankster ist defenitely the msot iconic/consistent version, but i got some issues with it. It just seems a bit cliche or shallow at times, the random mayhem.

But the great thing about Alan Moore's Joker and Heath Ledger was that they made you think, which is why i prefer the Agent of Chaos. You never doubted that they had some serious screws loose, but you still found yourself understanding, if not accepting, their philosophy/point of view at times.
 
I loath the psycho skin stripping rapist Joker with a passion. It probably harkens back to the pre Dark Knight release days when a heap of so-called "fans" wanted Joker to kill a baby and eat it, or pee in dead guys mouths etc. The jury's still out on the Joker novel as I haven't read all of it yet, but I gotta say I'm not that interested in the interpretation, its easier to write a Joker who kills people in exceedingly gruesome ways than to write a Joker who's both manic and hilarious, while coming up with the most insane and deadly of schemes.

This is why Joker's Five Way Revenge, The Laughing Fish, The Killing Joke and Devil's Advocate are my favourite Joker stories.

Give it a chance. The skinning scene has a great deal of ironic/dark humor involved (at least to the Joker-but i wont spoil it), and the rape is largely symbolic for the Joker in the story. He doesen't do it for pleasure.

I actually liked "Joker," and think it should become its own littlle else-worlds universe. But i can see why many would not want it affecting the mainstream
 
Depends on the story, really. I could take any interpretation as long as the writing's good. But the way I see it is that there is only one Joker and every personality trait is his, whether a playful trickster or murdering psychopath. He acts however he feels when he wakes up that day. Every interpretation scares me in a way. Just how quick and unpredictable he is in his way of killing. I enjoyed "Going Sane" because it delved into how the Joker needs Batman. But the scariest and therefore favorite interpretation to me is Azzarello/Bermejo's "Joker". It demonstrates how downright vile and insane he is. How there's not really a pattern to what he does. He's disgusting in the GN. Killing people for absouletly no point at all other then getting a few laughs. That's why I love the guy.
 
Depends on the story, really. I could take any interpretation as long as the writing's good. But the way I see it is that there is only one Joker and every personality trait is his, whether a playful trickster or murdering psychopath. He acts however he feels when he wakes up that day. Every interpretation scares me in a way. Just how quick and unpredictable he is in his way of killing. I enjoyed "Going Sane" because it delved into how the Joker needs Batman. But the scariest and therefore favorite interpretation to me is Azzarello/Bermejo's "Joker". It demonstrates how downright vile and insane he is. How there's not really a pattern to what he does. He's disgusting in the GN. Killing people for absouletly no point at all other then getting a few laughs. That's why I love the guy.


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