Favreau/Marvel takes a little jab at WB/JLA

[Hole Shot]

Deleted or close if already posted, didn't see it yet.

Can't deny what he's referring to with this statement:

...Favreau insists that Marvel will only go ahead with the project if and when all the individual characters get their own story. It'll be worth the wait, Favreau claimed, calling this way not only more impressive and formidable – but more consistent as well.

"I wonder if the tone of 'The Incredible Hulk' is going to be similar or different than ['Iron Man']," Favreau questioned. "And 'Captain America' is a twinkle in Marvel's eye right now. And 'Thor' and 'Ant Man.'

"[But] in the case of Marvel they're pretty clear on wanting to do it with the actors who've established the roles or to not do it at all. That's what they've said to me," he continued.

 

[Gotham]

I don't think he meant anything serious by it.

 

[gambitfire]

Well I like the way the man thinks.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Well can you blame him? I mean comeon, WB should be trying to get Routh and Bale in the JLA movie rather than some kids that belong on Laguna Beach or the O.C.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yea, I posted this article in the JL Casting Call Update thread. Favs is right. That is the way you approach a superhero team-up movie. WB looks like a bunch of clowns with the way they are handling JLA.

 

[Mister J]

That's not really a shot at WB unless you're just reaching for something to talk about.

I wish Favreau would have blasted them though. WB has long looked like they haven't had a clue to any superhero property outside of Bruce and Clark (and even some of the decisions in those franchises haven't been so stellar at times). Questionable casting rumors aside, trying to establish this 'new' Justice League continuity has puzzled me from the start, especially when your top two guns have had recent solo efforts that each cleared 200M domestic. They should be developing a treatment for Green Lantern, Flash or Wonder Woman, but their efforts haven't produced jack there over the past couple of years, so clearly the correct response is to take what would seem to be the most ambitious superhero vehicle to date and essentially starting from scratch. This approach needs to be derided.

 

[Dotten]

Good luck too Marvel getting the cast together in minimum 5-10 years. A grey haired Bruce Banner and Iron-Man played by a 50 year old actor. Not to mention them managing to pay the actors (I presume they will cast some big-names in Thor and Captain America).

So if thats the way Marvel want to play it I say the chances for a Avengers-movie within 10 years are very low.

Hope it happens, but if they absolutely refuse to recast some heroes then they will have a bloody hard time doing it. It's a logistical nightmare.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Agreed, Dotten. The real problem should not be getting the same actors to play the characters, but to get actors that fit the part for the team up movie. While I'm not impressed with the rumored cast for JL I will reserve real judgment for the time being. Of course it looks like this movie might not be shooting anytime soon, so...

 

[Iron_Stark]

Good luck too Marvel getting the cast together in minimum 5-10 years. A grey haired Bruce Banner and Iron-Man played by a 50 year old actor. Not to mention them managing to pay the actors (I presume they will cast some big-names in Thor and Captain America).

So if thats the way Marvel want to play it I say the chances for a Avengers-movie within 10 years are very low.

Hope it happens, but if they absolutely refuse to recast some heroes then they will have a bloody hard time doing it. It's a logistical nightmare.

If Marvel can get Robert Downey Jr and Edward Norton into the Avengers movie in 3-5 years they'd still be under or around 45.

Tom Cruise(45) and Brad Pitt(44) still look in thier 30s in thier movies. Movie magic.

I'd much rather have established and respected actors rather than kids that are still wet behind the ears.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If Marvel can get Robert Downey Jr and Edward Norton into the Avengers movie in 3-5 years they'd still be under or around 45.

Tom Cruise(45) and Brad Pitt(44) still look in thier 30s in thier movies. Movie magic.

I'd much rather have established and respected actors rather than kids that are still wet behind the ears.

Agreed. Plus some of you act like it will be so impossible to be able to pay all these high profile actors to appear in this movie(Avengers). How many high profile actors are we looking at, 2 right now, 4 maybe max. There were way more high profile actors in the Ocean's 11 movies and they managed just fine.

 

[Dotten]

If Marvel can get Robert Downey Jr and Edward Norton into the Avengers movie in 3-5 years they'd still be under or around 45.

Your forgetting they will do Captain America, Thor and Ant-Man first. All those movies will be out 2011 at the earliest (Marvel doing two movies a year). And when those movies are done they must find a timeslot where all the actors are free, so that will probably take a couple of years. People like Norton do make other movies.

One thing is for sure, it will not be an easy task. WB is making it easier for themselves by making spin-offs of the Justice-League movie. On the downside, we seem to be getting a group of unknown boylooking guys (but nothing official, still grasping on the hope that they hire men and not boys to play the Justice League).

Just make the damn movies. I've seen over 50 superheromovies, I want something else then solo-movies. I've had cancer already and know that one is stupid to take for granted that one will be alive in 10 years. Heck, I'd take a X-Men/Blade/Spider-Man/Fantastic Four crossover. I'm desperate

 

[Hole Shot]

That's not really a shot at WB unless you're just reaching for something to talk about.

I wish Favreau would have blasted them though.

I disagree, I think it is a direct response to JLA.

 

[Mister J]

Hmm. Digging around for that interview in full, he does specifically reference JLA.

“I think it’s a good idea if you use the characters established in the other franchises that then come together for an event. I don’t think they would do it like they’re doing ‘Justice League’ where it’s a whole different set of actors and a whole different take on the world.”

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/01/03/iron-man-helmer-jon-favreau-wants-to-assemble-avengers-flick/

It's clear that he feels this approach is more sensible, as do I, but I was expecting to read something where he just flat out disparaged what's going on at Warners. Probably has more to do with my own individual dissatisfaction than anything else.

 

[November Rain]

the thread starter is inciting controversy where it's not applicable

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Hmm. Digging around for that interview in full, he does specifically reference JLA.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/01/03/iron-man-helmer-jon-favreau-wants-to-assemble-avengers-flick/

It's clear that he feels this approach is more sensible, as do I, but I was expecting to read something where he just flat out disparaged what's going on at Warners. Probably has more to do with my own individual dissatisfaction than anything else.

Favs is too classy to do something like that but he like others here, know this JLA sounds like a total disaster.

 

[Triple Skeet]

Heres the problem, if your going to try and do it the way hes suggesting then you either have to get no name actors or has beens that arent being thrown movie roles to star in all of your original super hero movies.

Your not going to get a Christian Bale to do a Justice League movie where hes basically another co star. So does that mean youd rather lose him for Batman Begins too???

Its easy to talk about the Avengers when right now the only guy you have is Robert Downey. If he thinks Ed Norton is gonna play the Hulk in it hes crazy. Hes got a good shot with Eric Bana though.

Think about it. If Marvel tried to do a Secret Wars movie do you honestly think they would be able to get actors like Tobey Maguire, Hugh Jackman, Ben Affleck and Jessica Alba to be in it???? Because they wouldnt. This is Marvel taking a shot at DC which is stupid because, even though I am a way bigger fan of Marvel then DC, The Avengers couldnt hold a candle to Justice League.

 

[Crook]

Its easy to talk about the Avengers when right now the only guy you have is Robert Downey. If he thinks Ed Norton is gonna play the Hulk in it hes crazy. Hes got a good shot with Eric Bana though.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Norton already expressed interest in an Avengers movie?

As for Bale, he too hasn't dismissed the idea of being in a team-up. He's already quoted as saying he wouldn't mind doing it.

 

[Wally West]

Agreed. Plus some of you act like it will be so impossible to be able to pay all these high profile actors to appear in this movie(Avengers). How many high profile actors are we looking at, 2 right now, 4 maybe max. There were way more high profile actors in the Ocean's 11 movies and they managed just fine.

Ocean's 11 had no where near the special effects bugget that an Avengers film would require

Don't forget about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, so you're looking at 3 to 5, maybe more. The marvel films are going to have to be quite successful to justify an avengers film of that magnitude. On the DC side, SR wasn't a success...and here we are.

 

[Wally West]

Hmm. Digging around for that interview in full, he does specifically reference JLA.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/01/03/iron-man-helmer-jon-favreau-wants-to-assemble-avengers-flick/

It's clear that he feels this approach is more sensible, as do I, but I was expecting to read something where he just flat out disparaged what's going on at Warners. Probably has more to do with my own individual dissatisfaction than anything else.

That quote from Favreau makes a good point about seperate worlds, as Justice League, with it's god like heros, ultra sci-fi technology, and alien invasions doesn't fit at all with Nolon's Batman films. If they would have toned down Justice League to fit into that world, you'd be denying much of the awsome specticle and possibilities a JLA franchise could deliver.

 

[KBX]

Ocean's 11 had no where near the special effects bugget that an Averngers film will require

What Marvel is doing is good in theory, just not realistic. Im sure actors like Bale, Norton and Downey Jr. all express interest in doing ensemble films. When negotiations start, you think there going to settle for less money? heh...

 

[Mister J]

That quote from Favreau makes a good point about seperate worlds, as Justice League, with it's god like heros, ultra sci-fi technology, and alien invasions doesn't fit at all with Nolon's Batman films. If they would have toned down Justice League to fit into that world, you'd be denying much of the awsome specticle and possibilities a JLA franchise could deliver.

Point taken and this is why they wouldn't bother to fit JLA into the type of settings that Nolan has come up with. It'd be about taking Batman out of his element and placing him in scenarios where it's widely acknowledged that things are operating on a grander scale. Part of the appeal of Batman operating along side the League is that juxtaposition of a mortal standing in the same space with beings of seemingly infinite power and encountering events he wouldn't come close to facing in Gotham City. Having separate worlds for Batman and JLA is fine. It doesn't prohibit them from operating in the same continuity.

 

[Wally West]

Point taken and this is why they wouldn't bother to fit JLA into the type of settings that Nolan has come up with. It'd be about taking Batman out of his element and placing him in scenarios where it's widely acknowledged that things are operating on a grander scale. Part of the appeal of Batman operating along side the League is that juxtaposition of a mortal standing in the same space with beings of seemingly infinite power and encountering events he wouldn't come close to facing in Gotham City. Having separate worlds for Batman and JLA is fine. It doesn't prohibit them from operating in the same continuity.

excellent post

I believe that is why Bale isn't as keen on the idea of Justice league. There's more going on than just the timing. He likes Nolan's world, and it's realism, he has been quoted as saying that the moment you introduce robin to batman it becomes camp, I honestly don't think he's interested in doing Batman on that scale.

 

[KBX]

I thought Nolan wanted to ground Batman to be as realistic as possible. You can do that since Bruce Wayne is human, where as other characters like Sups and the Martian are not. So thats there aren't any other superheroes existing in Nolans franchise. Look at what he did with Ras Al Ghul. Hes not the tarturus pits, insane Ras Al Ghul I know of. I just don't see a Kryptonian or other Aliens in Nolan franchise....

By going with that philosophy makes his franchise so successful in the first place.

 

[Mister J]

excellent post

Thanks.

I believe that is why Bale isn't as keen on the idea of Justice league. There's more going on than just the timing. He likes Nolan's world, and it's realism, he has been quoted as saying that the moment you introduce robin to batman it becomes camp, I honestly don't think he's interested in doing Batman on that scale.

That might be it, but I think at some point, he mentioned he wouldn't mind a Bats/Supes project either. Of course, this was before this JLA stuff flared up. I think he looked at it and, in addition to wanting the finish the story he's started with Nolan, he looked at the JLA possibility right now and and thought 'train wreck'. Not having Christian as part of it never really bothered me, because by the time a proper (in my mind) JLA project was ready to go, he wouldn't be interested in doing it anyway (three times out as Batman would likely be enough for him).

I thought Nolan wanted to ground Batman to be as realistic as possible. You can do that since Bruce Wayne is human, where as other characters like Sups and the Martian are not. So thats there aren't any other superheroes existing in Nolans franchise. Look at what he did with Ras Al Ghul. Hes not the tarturus pits, insane Ras Al Ghul I know of. I just don't see a Kryptonian or other Aliens in Nolan franchise....

By going with that philosophy makes his franchise so successful in the first place.

True. While I could go for a the introduction of a bit more elements of fantasy in Nolan's take on Batman, it does work well for that character. By and large, that grounded line of thought goes out the window when it comes to the Justice League. A grounded JLA isn't something I'm interested in seeing.

 

[KBX]

True. While I could go for a the introduction of a bit more elements of fantasy in Nolan's take on Batman, it does work well for that character. By and large, that grounded line of thought goes out the window when it comes to the Justice League. A grounded JLA isn't something I'm interested in seeing.

If Bale was in JLA, it wouldn't be the same way Bale acted in Nolans franchise. That or JLA would be a lot more realistic, something I have no interest in seeing as well. Yep, and thats why as much as I would like to see Bales Batman in JLA, it may be best that doesn't happen. Give him his 3rd solo film, and everyone will be happy.