Final Version vs. Workprint - Official Discussion

[RomyFan]

what I really wanted this final version to explain was how he got on the rooftop, a couple of seconds of Gambit sneaking out of there and climbing the freaking building would have been enough. It just felt like bad editing

I thought maybe they'd eliminate the running on the rooftops and the bo staff chopper. I mean, maybe; then, things would make more sense. But it was just like out of nowhere.

 

[Heretic]

I love how...in order to explain Gambits ridiculous and nonsensical actions...people are having to invent motivations for him that are not even remotely hinted at in the film.

 

[gap5ewl]

I love how...in order to explain Gambits ridiculous and nonsensical actions...people are having to invent motivations for him that are not even remotely hinted at in the film.

People always do that with potholes or ridiculous nonsensical actions.

 

[Heretic]

People always do that with potholes or ridiculous nonsensical actions.

They shouldnt!

We have seen high quality comic films. There is NO reason to accept a by the numbers popcorn movie that is no better written than Street Fighter, just because it gave us aborted versions of characters we like.

 

[Andreth]

Sorry, but that's not what we were doing , it's not fair to say we're inventing things just because you don't agree with what's been said. It's a shame that you see the replies at some of your assumptions (Like Creed being the kidnapper when wraith says himself he and the other members did them too and Remy doing nothing to make us think he was the one who took him) as "making up things not even hinted in the movie". This doesn't mean I think the movie was perfect or well written.

 

[usagicassidy]

Okay...three pages on Gambit is enough - what are some of the other differences?

I'm really on the fence about actually seeing this in theaters.

 

[BMM]

From what I've heard, nothing. There are perhaps a few differences in dialogue, but nothing major. My friends, some of whom have seen the workprint, said it was almost exactly the same.

 

[Andreth]

I don't know about the rest, but only additional audio and sfx has been added in the New Orleans sequence. No differences in the edition there.

 

[Spoonz]

Guys, the reason that Gambit attacked both Wolverine and Creed is simple:
Because he's in X-men and they needed him for the climax fight! So Gambit was just the tool to end the fight. How else were they gonna do it, have Creed go "Holy junk, look over there!" and then run away when Logan turns around? They couldn't have Logan kill him off.

Anyway, I also think it's stupid to assume that Creed kidnapped Gambit. I think it was probably Wraith and/or Blob, since Blob knows exactly who he is, and Wraith knows where to find him and what he looks like. Although I do think it's a nice nod to Creed and Gambit's past (probably not intentional, though) when Gambit freezes up at the sound of his name.

And yes, I think that Gambit is fighting Logan because he thinks they've now tracked him down and Wolverine is working for Stryker. C'mon, he goes "...and because I know who you are, Gambit". He got the name from the weapon X dudes, Wolverine knows it, what else is Gambit meant to think? Then he replies with "Those are some nice dog tags you have there, sir. The man who took me had ones just like them" which is him basically saying "you have the same dogtags as the guys who took me, so I think you're one of them".

 

[Spoonz]

Okay...three pages on Gambit is enough - what are some of the other differences?

I'm really on the fence about actually seeing this in theaters.

Sorry, I skipped to the end and didn't see that. I wont' say any more on it.

 

[J.Howlett]

No differences except for a couple of ADR differences to the workprint. That's it.

And for the love of God, its 2009...we shouldn't have compositing problems in this era of filmmaking. The visual effects, even on the claws, were just plain not good. I'm mean, I couldn't even believe that.

X-Men was made 10 years ago and the claws look more real in that film than this.

 

[night0205]

Ok, now let's talk about how Gambit got the airplane again...? Did he win it in a game of cards or was he being funny, and lied about that and actually just stole it from a bald man...hmmm? I'm going to go with the opposite of what the movie says, because there is no proof if it, why, because the writters didn't know...ok i'm just messing. We can talk about something that is different....couple ideas...How did you guys like the music? I hear the CGI was horrid at points, maybe they should have spent a little more money...how did the teleportation work out? How did Emma look in diamond form? Uh what exactly did they edit differently...when logan has the nightmares, and it shows war from the beginning of the leak...was that different? Personal Question: I was watching the Gambit...oh no wait...we don't want to bring that up again...no...just about the scene with Gambit, from the clips they put online...the scene really doesn't flow...first gambit is sitting, eyes turn red, wolverine says "hey wait bub" or something, but the cut from the sitting to him doing his card special attack, didn't look right...how did it look in the final cut? Sorry it's late.

 

[JaD]

Okay...three pages on Gambit is enough - what are some of the other differences?

I'm really on the fence about actually seeing this in theaters.

A couple things I remember are

- The end of the firing squad scene had an extra second or so I think (of Logan and Creed being zoomed in on if I remember right)

- Wade's delivery of "Fred got a tattoo, I'm concerned" was a different take, in the print it was something like "Speaking of sharp...(and so on)" A different take was used for that and the "Speaking of sharp" wasn't in it. Also Creed says offscreen after the ex-girlfriend line "That's funny, I think you have me confused with someone who gives a s***." Also, Creed's claws extend during the pause of tension between Wade and him.

- Elevator music was a bit more obvious in the beginning of the elevator scene. (and the green was toned down after the elevators were turned off)

- A whole bunch of fog was added to the bridge confrontation between Logan and the ones blocking the bridge

- Logan's scream after finding Kayla dead was a bit funnier... I mean longer or dramatic (even though he sounded like Tarzan to me so I laughed)

- Wraith telling Logan about wanting to whip Dukes back into shape had an extra second or two afterwards of Wraith from behind saying "Whatever you do, don't mention his weight" before cutting to the boxing ring. I remember the subtitle of that line randomly in the boxing ring scene so I guess they moved it.

- The music used for the New Orleans/Gambit introduction was different (much better I might add)

- The sounds of Gambit cards hitting Logan had huge *thuds* added onto them, kinda badass IMO

- Wraith fighting Creed and getting killed seemed to go by a bit quicker, can't put my finger on that one *shrug*

- Liev Schreiber's hands didn't look as fake as they did in the workprint

- The kinetic energy of Gambit climbing the wall with his split bostaff was taken out. It was just the staff penetrating the wall without the purple. Kindof an odd choice IMO

- The ladder scene was still funny

- Few other small quick cuts (and redubbing) I noticed too, nothing big

 

[drmick]

Differences I've noticed:

Patrick Stewart's been given a CGI makeover.

The subtitles have changed font.

Deadpool ending is new.

Opening credits have changed around a bit.

(The two eejits who have been doing the Gambit stuff should be banned for life for straying seriously off-topic. Either take it to the Gambit thread or feck away off. Like, 3 pages of fanboy anger, take it outside ladies).

 

[night0205]

1. How did you like the music?

2. Did Patrick look better/worse then X3 makeover?

 

[JaD]

1. How did you like the music?

2. Did Patrick look better/worse then X3 makeover?

The music fit in alot of the right places, so I found it to be pretty good.

And the Patrick cameo didn't look much different to me, pretty much the same. But the straight-to-DVDish background (forest) made it look twice as cheap IMO

 

[night0205]

Yeah after seeing the workprint, they like tried to green screen/cg entire scenes instead of film what you can and then add the cg on top of it, and make it look better, they just did entire cg shots...some of it wasn't even greenscreen, because they even cg the characters in...so...whoever was incharge of the visual effects...needs to get another job.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Why would Creed just up and run away from a fight? He seemed scared of Gambit but of course the film never went into that.

I think he was protecting the dna he took from wraight.

 

[Heretic]

Guys...Creed was the LEADER of the kidnappers. It is unrealistic to assume that he was kidnapped, imprisoned, spent time there and escaped without coming across him. Besides, Gambit clearly knew who he was.

Second...and Im bored with saying this...but Gambit did NOT attack Creed. Gambit attacked Wolverine...and SAVED CREEDS LIFE. That is not even remotely an issue that is up for debate. Had Gambit not hit Wolverine with an energy blast, Creed would have been killed. Gambit made NO offensive move towards Creed, choosing instead to attack a stranger while defending one of his kidnappers.

 

[dark_b]

so noone will say the obvious?
the theatrical version is not 10 minutes longer. there is no real deadpool at the end .

 

[xmangambit]

yeah, but this movie aint exactly Oreos...

LOL!

The whole film seemed rushed I felt nothing when Silver Fox...or whoever she was supposedly "died" and then Wolverine screams....that was awkward because it just was so quick. Watch the first Superman film. When Reeves screams at the end when Lois is dead that RAW emotion right there and it hits you deep.

It was more like an episode or Pilot style film for a TV series just with some extravagant effects that again weren't needed in some scenes..the guns landing on the clips...wtf??

I swear Wade Wilson was in it for like 3 min scream time possibly 5. But those 5 mins were great so storing those.

The hobbit was not needed, should have left him out could have used that time for more character development on some of the other characters.

Any scene with Sabretooth/Victor was the best bit of the film, he by far was the best thing about this film, so about 15 mins stored of his scenes.

Wolverine... what is he some cuddly toy now? The only bit where I actually think he was wolverine is when he is talking to Stryker after he wakes up and Stryker offers him the deal, and he's all pent up and raged, THAT was Wolverine. The Shot of him waking up screaming was ridiculous! Why was it there? Yea what he has nightmares...forget it. O wait the other Wolverine scenes I enjoyed are when he's with "Martha and Jonathan Kent" and he gets gifted the bike and jacket etc... so about 7 mins of his scenes are good.

Ok finally Gambit. For me a fan of Gambit, I'm not a fan of Wolverine or deadpool or Stryker or them other characters, even though I can appreciate them and have seen them in various incarnations over say a 15+ year span I don't really count myself as a fan of those characters but I do have an understanding. BUT Gambit! I am a fan! Now you guys can come at me and say whatever you want, "I'm being too harsh", "I'm this or that" But as a fan I think I have a right. They took the piss! That's the truth. I'm not a fan of Deadpool, but they did more than take the piss out of him and I feel real bad for those fans.

Gambit to me felt like they got a pretty boy, let him twirl a staff gave him some cards, which they ended CGI-ing which they could have saved money and actually done some real effects, trust me on this one, when I say I am a fan I know how to handle cards. But yea ok he wasn't bad, but I didn't feel he was Gambit. Projecting cards from his palm like Jean grey was controlling them...., is it too hard to film him throw them? Poor sound effects aswell. The staff fighting was ok. Then the dialogue...meh.

All the other characters.. Not needed. I had no interest in them they had no essence on screen they didn't captivate you or keep you interested, Stryker was the dullest thing ever.

Lastly, I think they failed when they went for the low rating.

The Adamantium bonding should have been painful, it should have been bloody, and a heck of a lot more traumatising than a couple of needles in him. I'm not even a Wolverine fan and I could have written a better Adamantium Bonding scene.

But like I said Victor was the best thing about this film, when he was on screen the film shined, anything without him... meh!

I call this film "Victor Creed!" Because at least they got something right.

 

[DIRECTOR]

I don't see the word "Gambit" on the thread title

 

[Nightmare689]

Fox and even Hugh Jackman went through a lot telling us how the leaked version was so unfinished and lack such major scenes and was longer and more awesome, but apparently most of you guys prefer the leaked one.


this is an epic fail

 

[Nivek]

Liev was the best character in the film.

 

[JaD]

so noone will say the obvious?
the theatrical version is not 10 minutes longer. there is no real deadpool at the end .

Yes there is. (If you're talking about the Easter Egg thingy after the credits that is). It's been confirmed and posted online in bootleg form.