Firefly's Fillion Moves into Castle

[psylockolussus]

The rumour is probably true especially the timing of the events of this season.... and the first episode not to feature Kate, it really felt like something was missing in the show and I prefer Castle with Kate appearing in every episode.

Personally, I think they need to wrap this show up, its already been in the air since 2009, the ratings are not good and I'm sure ABC could easily sell the show to syndication (they probably did). I definitely didn't think this would last for 8 seasons, so its not bad at all if they end it in 2016.

 

[Mani-Man]

What are they supposed to have fallen out over?

The Rumours have been around since season 1.
It does seem odd, until 3-4 years ago they had many photoshoots and interviews together, but now i cant remember any interviews or so that they both did together.
On the other hand, the shooting photos that surface once in a while do look like they get along well.

Its unclear, i dont care much about gossip to really look into it.

Despite all the negativity, i do have to say that the overall season premise is a interesting one.
Sadly it is a storyline that happens way too late and makes no sense after everything.

Maybe they should have ended it last season, but now we get a new one so they should make the best out of it.
Wrap that seperation storyline up and try to do a second season half that gives us everything that made the show good.
Then let it end and dont try to forcefully keep it alive.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, they need to not wrap up the separation storyline only at the end of the season. That would be way too late. Since the ratings are falling, they need to get off this bandwagon and make the rest of it a "best of Castle" show and pull out all the stops. Have Castle and Beckett together, getting along, and have them solving mysteries as a team.

I'm not even really that fond of this Castle PI angle they've got going on. It means that Castle is always working on cases separately from the NYPD and they're usually reluctant to let him in until they absolutely need him. I preferred it when he was just a part of the team at the precinct. The only good thing about this is that Alexis is more involved in the plots, but that's at the expense of a major appeal of the show.

 

[Teelie]

Maybe I'm off and the new creative team think they are building to some big pay-off, but if that is the case they don't even understand the show they are writing as Castle & Beckett together is the heart & soul of the show, the dynamic that makes it fun.

The really crazy thing about that is the creative team were writers on the show practically from the very beginning. They should know these characters inside and out as well as the actors do. And both Katic and Fillon seemed to think this was a believable way for their characters to behave. Castle at least we know would behave this way. For Beckett it feels too out of place. All of her past mystery was resolved. Now they throw in the twist and revert her to a pre-Castle obsession.

The Rumours have been around since season 1.
It does seem odd, until 3-4 years ago they had many photoshoots and interviews together, but now i cant remember any interviews or so that they both did together.
On the other hand, the shooting photos that surface once in a while do look like they get along well.

Its unclear, i dont care much about gossip to really look into it.

It reminds me of rumors I frequently hear on other series over the two leads clashing. The funniest one to me is that the two leads on Supernatural (Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles) hate each other. They literally lived in the same apartment at the beginning of the series and were best man's to the other at their weddings. Those two are by most accounts as close as real brothers but rumors still persist they have this complete dislike of the other.

Rumors are always going to persist like this no matter how close or far from the truth they are. If they don't hate each other, they're screwing one another.

The only good thing about this is that Alexis is more involved in the plots, but that's at the expense of a major appeal of the show.

I agree with that. I like Alexis but they seem to have no idea what to do with her. She's a student, then in college and a student overseas, then she was with that hippie, and spent time with her mother for a few episodes. Then there was the morgue job and now working as a P.I. with Castle. And I know I'm missing at least a few things in there.

She's only what, 21, 22 now? I realize she's still finding her place in the world but still, they seem to keep throwing stuff around to find her place in the show. I like the P.I. thing but how they are doing it does detract from the rest of the cast.

 

[Dark Raven]

Alexis doesn't seem like she's actually spent 3 years at university. Wasn't she just deciding where to go not that long ago? Was it 3 seasons ago in fact? I'm not sure it was. It's like they just dropped the college angle and sped through those years, much like it happened in Smallville with Clark Kent off to university, and then suddenly he was already working at the Daily Planet when it seemed like he hadn't even completed his education.

And since the private investigations aren't that regular and only come in sporadically, why doesn't she get herself a regular part-time job in the meantime, and then help out with the PI job whenever she can? Is she just manning the desk at Castle PI all day long? What else does she do when they're waiting for a case?

 

[Hunter Rider]

The really crazy thing about that is the creative team were writers on the show practically from the very beginning. They should know these characters inside and out as well as the actors do. And both Katic and Fillon seemed to think this was a believable way for their characters to behave. Castle at least we know would behave this way. For Beckett it feels too out of place. All of her past mystery was resolved. Now they throw in the twist and revert her to a pre-Castle obsession.

It's surprising from Stana particularly as she was always adamant that they should be together and quit using excuses to keep them apart. It's amazing that the show shot themselves s in the foot with the wedding fiasco but managed to salvage things at the start of season 7, only to shoot themselves in the exact same foot at the start of season 8.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's surprising from Stana particularly as she was always adamant that they should be together and quit using excuses to keep them apart. It's amazing that the show shot themselves s in the foot with the wedding fiasco but managed to salvage things at the start of season 7, only to shoot themselves in the exact same foot at the start of season 8.

And now there's trouble afoot with this season.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's surprising from Stana particularly as she was always adamant that they should be together and quit using excuses to keep them apart. It's amazing that the show shot themselves s in the foot with the wedding fiasco but managed to salvage things at the start of season 7, only to shoot themselves in the exact same foot at the start of season 8.

Maybe there really is a problem with Stana and Nathan?

 

[Mani-Man]

Maybe there really is a problem with Stana and Nathan?

This season looks a bit like it, but like i said...in some of the shooting pictures that where floating around tumblr for this season, they seemed to get along pretty good.

Whatever is true, there is no doubt about it that the show struggles.
I dont understand why they think it would make the show more interesting to have them apart, when the whole show is about them being good together.

 

[PyroChamber]

Now that I think about it, is Castle even writing anymore?

 

[Teelie]

There have been vague references to his writing but nothing specific. A line here or there about how the books either haven't been selling as well or that his writing has been suffering.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

I think at this point the writers have completely forgotten what they want the couple to eventually end up- wasn't there a "Man from future" episode at some point that painted quite a rosy picture for those two?

 

[Dark Raven]

I have to wonder if there is some truth in the rumoured falling out between Fillion and Stana, the silly split storyline followed by Castle partnering Slaughter and Alexis with Kate undercover next week with Hayley. It's like first they removed the need for them to do touchy feely scenes, now they are keeping them apart in general.

Maybe I'm off and the new creative team think they are building to some big pay-off, but if that is the case they don't even understand the show they are writing as Castle & Beckett together is the heart & soul of the show, the dynamic that makes it fun.

Well it wasn't really so separated in storylines this week as I was led to believe. The undercover plot was actually only a very minor scene. The episode was a lot better than last week's and there was in fact some touchy feely stuff (at least implied) by the end.

But last week Ryan and Esposito seemed to be okay with each other, yet this week they were suddenly in therapy and couldn't stand each other anymore. It's almost as if last week's episode was either completely unnecessary or could've been slotted in at any random point with no real bearing on the overall story.

I do hope they resolve this thing with Beckett very soon though. It has dragged on long enough.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The storyline is lame, but I am loving this season. This last episodes was great imo. I like the show when it is fun, and not trying to be over-dramatic. That worked in early seasons, but the melodrama has gone on for so long, I am kind of over it.

 

[PyroChamber]

And the whole seperation thing was all Kate's doing because of something she just couldn't let go of, yet these past few episodes haven't really followed up on her side of this storyline except for one small mention per episode.

When seperation angle is over, hopefully soon, I just hope it doesn't come to some lackluster payoff like Castle's disappearence.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Despite the continuing, pointless overarching "separation" arc last weeks was a really good ep, and tonight's winter finale looks great.

 

[Mani-Man]

This weeks and last weeks episode were actually quite good...compared to the others this season.

This separation story is one where they wrote themself into a windowless, doorless room.
No matter what you do, how good the chemistry of the actors is, how good the dialogue would be...its a story that simply fails on all accounts.

This weeks episode did the best it could by "ending" the separation...but it still leaves a bad taste in everybodys mouths.
I really dont get what the writers thought about this story...it is simply a bad plot.

Hopefully we will now get a good overall plot that reminds us what the show once was.

 

[Teelie]

They had better hope it brings back the viewers. It was such a disaster seperating them.

 

[Dark Raven]

It was a better episode this week and I agree with Castle that their separation could've just been a cover up, but that didn't even occur to Beckett.

Is it the winter finale already? It's only November. They could've had a Christmas episode or ones set leading up to it. There are still a few weeks in December. This seems rather early. And plus they didn't have any episodes for a couple of weeks around Halloween. It seems as if this has been a shorter season.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is Castle really not on again until Feb 1st? That's 2 months away. What is the reason for such a long wait? I can understand with Christmas, but you'd expect it to be back in January.

 

[Teelie]

Sweeps start up in February and they don't want to compete with the Christmas through NFL Super Bowl period of competition. A lot of shows take this period off because of that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Can't believe how late I am commenting on this, the winter finale was great, especially the section on the ship, the show at it's best. I also thought the editing of the sequence where Hayley was trying to hack into Vikram's system and Castle and Beckett were exchanging phone calls to try and keep each other occupied was great.

Speaking of Vikram, I don't know if he's just a cock block artist or what but I don't trust his motivations in keeping Rick in the dark.

The final scene of Castle and Beckett getting back together was exactly what the show needed to hopefully start off on the front foot next year. The dialogue between the two pretty much sounded like fans pointing out how illogical the separation plot was from the start, but I'm glad Rick didn't hold on to some petty grudge over it, the way things are with him and Becket it would just seem even more forced, he's so crazy about her that while hurt his immediate forgiveness made complete sense.

 

[PyroChamber]

Yeah but, if I understand it correctly, they going to keep the separation angle going only now Castle's in on it and he and Kate are going to find who she's looking for together?

 

[Dark Raven]

Why couldn't they have resolved this plot by the fall finale and had them pretending to be separated before so we'd be done with this? It's really not that interesting a storyline to drag it out a whole season. Then the rest of the season could've been them solving murders together like the more classic episodes.

 

[Hunter Rider]

http://tvline.com/2016/01/11/castle-season-8-courtroom-trial-rick-witness/

Should be a cool ep.