Flashpoint

[Aesculapius]

Deathstroke's pirate story is 10 kinds of badass. Why must these be mere miniseries?

 

[Aesculapius]

Aaaand this week's Wonder Woman was disappointing. Here I was hoping for an awesome story involving this universe's version of her like other books have been doing, and all it did was waste an entire issue on backstory.... of a temporary timeline...

WHY?!?!

Hopefully the next 2 will make up for this madness. This was one of the ones I was most excited to read because this version of the character seems interesting... But the entire issue only focused around the events leading up to this... When you are doing a timeline like flashpoint, you just talk about the backstory... You don't waste issues showing it!

-_-

Hope the other 3 flaspoint titles released this week are less disappointing.

 

[Drz]

Wonder Woman vs. Aquaman is concldued in Flashpoint. The 3 issue mini for Diana and Aquaman are pretty much backstory and explaining their motivations.

EDIT: My thoughts on the WW issue:

Spoiler

I'm abit curious whats the real masterplan here, i mean are Orm and Artemis really determined to have thousands of their own people die just so they can't form the allience, or do they wish to break this alliance because they can't trust the human lands? I dunno it just seems so insane for these people to masterplan a war just so there wouldn't be an alliance between the two nations. Still i liked the twist because at first people thought Aquaman was the spartan jerk, but it seems Aquamana nd Diana are just victims of a situation, infact all Flashpoint heroes seem to be a victim. Superman was captured by the government, Thomas Wayne's son died and his wife became the Joker, Cyborg is the only noble hearted hero in a world withouth heroes, Aquaman and Diana's dream for a peace are ruined and so forth. Ouchies.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Orm is a villain through and through. Bottom line. Period. Don't see why that should surprise you. It isn't all exposed and finished of course but pretty sure he just wants to see his brother suffer. That's pretty much always his motive for anything he does.

 

[Drz]

Their motivations, i mean they're gonna cause alot of death for their own people because of this.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Orm never gate two-*****s about the Atlantean people. One time he took over places in Atlantis and ended up destroying them himself. Then there are the places he just desecrated period. As long as his brother suffers, he's good. I can't speak for Artemis but Orm's motive fits. Best to think of Orm and Orin's relationship being similar to that of Loki and Thor. As long as Orm gets what he wants, he doesn't care who he sacrifices.

I also wonder if Orm is still half Atlantean or not. Because Johns said that while Aquaman is half Atlantean again much stuff that came from the Modern Day Origin is intact...but concerning Ocean Master I wonder. First origin for the two being half brothers was through Aquaman's then human father, not his Atlantean mother. Then the next origin for Orm made them brothers through Aquaman's Atlantean father--Atlan--and Orm's mother was the one that was human. Granted this is Flashpoint BUT it seems that just like since Brightest looks like Flashpoint Aquaman is half human.

My assumption is that they are now going to be brothers through their mother being Atlantean and Orm might be half human again or full blown Atlantean this time around.

 

[Drz]

Well then it just seems silly for the Amazons to make a plan to avoid having anything to do with the Atlantaens by.... Having a war with them and thus keeping in contact with their society thru war. Now i can accept that Orm stuff, but Artemiiiiiiiiiiiiis!

 

[trustyside-kick]

Anyone know if Artemis has ever been somewhat..."bad" in the history of the WW comics? Or anyone somewhat of a WW expert concerning Artemis? Only justification I can think of is that well they are essentially a group of warrior women so she'd could just see that the end justifies the means...perhaps?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Anyone know if Artemis has ever been somewhat..."bad" in the history of the WW comics? Or anyone somewhat of a WW expert concerning Artemis? Only justification I can think of is that well they are essentially a group of warrior women so she'd could just see that the end justifies the means...perhaps?

*Sigh*

But anyway, no, she's not really "bad", but the Amazons in general have been more villain like in recent years, so I guess it's kind of hard to judge anymore. What she did in the mini I wouldn't take a common thing to do, about the only reason is for it to be some kind of secret coup for the Bana tribe or something. I don't know, hopefully it becomes clearer in the next few issues.

 

[Aesculapius]

Wonder Woman vs. Aquaman is concldued in Flashpoint. The 3 issue mini for Diana and Aquaman are pretty much backstory and explaining their motivations.

Except Aquaman's didn't waste the entire issue on backstory. It flashed back. That much was appropriate and a really good read. We got to see what Aquaman is in this timeline and why.

Wonder Woman the entire issue was spent on backstory and revealed nothing of the current character. It was very disappointing in that respect. (Ed. Seriously wanted to see some of the current character. Not a big WW fan in the least, but she seemed to have one of the more interesting changes in the Flashpoint series, and I just felt gipped by absolutely none of this month's issue being spent on that.)

EDIT: Just read the other 3 for this week. Really awesome. Deadman and the Flying Graysons was pretty spectacular in particular. Really liked Fate's appearance in that one as well.

 

[Assassin]

So far the 3 i read were all good.

Deadman and the Graysons
Batman
Deathstroke and the curse of the Ravager

 

[Aesculapius]

So far the 3 i read were all good.

Deadman and the Graysons
Batman
Deathstroke and the curse of the Ravager

IMO they are all pretty good so far. Even WW was good, just really disappointing because it is the only one so far that doesn't actually deal with the current timeline or character at all, just what led to it.

I really hope they make up for that in the next two.

 

[hippie_hunter]

But the backstory was necessary for Wonder Woman because they need to show why Wonder Woman and Aquaman are at war with each other.

 

[Assassin]

didn't get the point of Legion of Doom though

 

[Aesculapius]

But the backstory was necessary for Wonder Woman because they need to show why Wonder Woman and Aquaman are at war with each other.

Eh, my opinion. That backstory could have definitely been condensed and turned into flashbacks or just mentioned breifly. Wasting an entire issue on that story probably was not even remotely necessary.

didn't get the point of Legion of Doom though

The Hall of Doom is a maximum security prison in this timeline. What's to get? =p

 

[Pyro Man]

Deathstroke's pirate story is 10 kinds of badass. Why must these be mere miniseries?

Absolutely. Ditch real Deathstroke and have pirate Deathstroke be the only one in the main DCU.

So far I think Frankenstein and the Creatures of the Unknown is the best tie in. Sure it thus far doesn't relate to the main plot

Spoiler

(other than the creatures apparently being stored on the same base a Superman)

but to me it was just the most fun one thus far and I'm pretty stoked for the Frankenstein ongoing coming in September.

I also really enjoyed Batman and Secret Seven. Of the two summer events from the big two this is definitely the one I'm enjoying more.

 

[Laughing guy]

I really enjoyed the Grayson's and deadman. I have not had a chance to read deathstroke but it looks really good. I really like batman and also I loved green lantern

 

[sethypants]

omg guys what happened in reverse flash this week? im too excited can't wait till tmr till i buy it. i need spoilers

 

[HighFivingMF]

omg guys what happened in reverse flash this week? im too excited can't wait till tmr till i buy it. i need spoilers

He just talked about the stuff he did to Barry from his perspective.

 

[Aesculapius]

Absolutely. Ditch real Deathstroke and have pirate Deathstroke be the only one in the main DCU.

So far I think Frankenstein and the Creatures of the Unknown is the best tie in. Sure it thus far doesn't relate to the main plot

Spoiler

(other than the creatures apparently being stored on the same base a Superman)

but to me it was just the most fun one thus far and I'm pretty stoked for the Frankenstein ongoing coming in September.

I also really enjoyed Batman and Secret Seven. Of the two summer events from the big two this is definitely the one I'm enjoying more.

Frankenstien was pretty awesome. Was a pretty good teaser for Project S as well.

Picked up this week's as well. I was cool with the Reverse Flash till I found out it is a one shot. It really didn't say anything that we didn't already know before Flashpoint... In that sense it was even worse than WW, but I still found it a really enjoyable read. If nothing else it gives us his mindset.

Speaking of WW, Lois Lane and the Resistance made up for it's complete lack of a look at the perspective of the Amazons in this timeline as well as giving us a better look at Cyborg's part in this whole mess. Some cool stuff in that one. It's really odd how some of the tie ins you wouldn't expect to be great are turning out to be some of the better ones. Really made me appreciate the backstory presented in WW #1 more too.

Kid Flash was pretty cool. Not a lot more to say about that other than Hot Pursuit is better as a female. =p

The Outsider was also interesting... again, not a lot more to add about that one. Just a fun read. Was kinda surprised to find out he is an original character in this series.

Anyway, not one book in the series I'm disappointed in having picked up. Love this story so much.

 

[Drz]

Frankenstein was awesome and i'm happy that the Werewolf and Vampire are making a comeback in the mainstream universe too, it's like Hellboy of DC Universe, i'm checking it out. <3

Lois Lane and the Resistance had good art and characters, we get to see Hawkgirl and Artemis and we saw what they had done to Britain which was AWESOME, but heres my issue: So the amazons sanked their own island? Because Aquaman was there? I don't know that just sounds.... Stupid?

 

[sethypants]

man. i really thought we're gonna get some idea on whats going on this week, i was so set that reverse flash is going to reveal about how he messed up the world. guess i thought wrong.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Frankenstein was awesome and i'm happy that the Werewolf and Vampire are making a comeback in the mainstream universe too, it's like Hellboy of DC Universe, i'm checking it out. <3

Lois Lane and the Resistance had good art and characters, we get to see Hawkgirl and Artemis and we saw what they had done to Britain which was AWESOME, but heres my issue: So the amazons sanked their own island? Because Aquaman was there? I don't know that just sounds.... Stupid?

Haven't read the issue, but yes, that does sound pretty stupid. Though, what do mean he was there? Did he take it over or something?

 

[Drz]

"We believe amazonians destroyed and sank their home island of Themyscira in an effort to exact revenge on the ruling class of Atlantis, particularly king Arthur of Atlantis, who was on the island at the time.." Thats what the news reporter says at the start of the issue.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Oh, well, that kind of does leave context out. If by 'on the island', they mean he was occupying, it makes more sense. It's not something I'd really see them doing even then, but there's a degree of sense to it. If he was just kind of there but not really occupying or anything, yeah, pretty dumb.