Flashpoint

[Mystirious]

Batman: Knight of Vengeance has been amazing you should totally check that out

And Secret Seven

 

[Hush]

Issue Three was great! This thing is firing on all cylinders and is the best Johns has written since I would say SCW. He has made me come to TOLERATE Barry but not enough for me to like him.

 

[Drz]

Emperor Aquaman #2 preview!

 

[Drz]

Batman Knight of Vengeance #3 cover:

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Awesomeness.

 

[Cain]

Batman Knight of Vengeance #3 cover:

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Awesomeness.

I can dig it!

Oh and Drz you know that Batman will always be the [CARL GRISSOM]number one guy[/CARL GRISSOM] to me when it comes to fictional characters and not just superheroes. So with that fact in mind I will say this:

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The one thing I've enjoyed the most out of all this is the freshness of it all it adds conviction to lots of great and very familiar Batman themes. Primarily the fact that Bruce will always be an instrumental element to both the creation of Batman and the existence of a Joker.

It's so simple yet poetic it creates such a great space for pathos.

 

[The Batman]

I can dig it!

Oh and Drz you know that Batman will always be the [CARL GRISSOM]number one guy[/CARL GRISSOM] to me when it comes to fictional characters and not just superheroes. So with that fact in mind I will say this:

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The one thing I've enjoyed the most out of all this is the freshness of it all it adds conviction to lots of great and very familiar Batman themes. Primarily the fact that Bruce will always be an instrumental element to both the creation of Batman and the existence of a Joker.

It's so simple yet poetic it creates such a great space for pathos.

Great point.

I was thinking about how The Waynes are fated to enter a life of violence once watching someone they love suffer violently right in front of them. Before, Batman was thought to be a childish pursuit. Here, you have an adult wayne taking the same route a younger one did.

 

[Anubis]

I don't know. Kinda comes off as ridiculous as Peter Parker's parents being SHIELD agents.

 

[The Batman]

^ I'll say, It is awfully convinient that thomas picks up the batmotif and martha the joker one.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't know. Kinda comes off as ridiculous as Peter Parker's parents being SHIELD agents.

Thats the way I feel. Thus I am not really interested in seeing Bruces parents just happen to become Batman and Joker. Its a nice shock value but after that its eye roll worthy. They shouldve found a different way to have Batman in this event and Joker didnt need to be part of it.

 

[Assassin]

you guys need to remove the stick and just go with it. it's pretty enjoyable.

 

[Drz]

^ I'll say, It is awfully convinient that thomas picks up the batmotif and martha the joker one.

Thomas becoming a Batman makes sense because Bruce was afraid of bats, but Martha becoming a Joker makes close to little sense unless we get some cool answer in next issue.

 

[Cain]

you guys need to remove the stick and just go with it. it's pretty enjoyable.

I wouldn't be as harsh but yeah pretty much my sentiment.

When are there NO contrivances in comic books? that's not the point. It's not about something being contrived it's about how it's pulled off. The point is that it's an interesting angle to take from a storytelling perspective as it's never been explored. It allows a new way to explore an incredibly familiar dynamic.

I mean there is a scene for example where Thomas "cures" a Joker victim and to me that scene says it all. Batman's parents are bat **** insane. Doesn't matter that one is on the side of angels he's still off his damn rocker and not someone the Bruce we know would welcome with open arms.

That's what hooks me at least. The fact that they're on opposite ends of the insanity spectrum both but insane nonetheless. It just shows you what an animal Gotham could really be and how it could bring out the worst in people. Which is a key element of the Gotham City mythology itself. It's great to see this explored in a more "intimate" (by using the Wayne's) manner to the reader and the execution so far has been pretty damn good.

So why would a mother completely lose it upon seeing her child gunned down in cold blood? well because realistically speaking that is something that will take it's toll on the soul of any caring mother. Why would she become The Joker of all identities though? well that's because in Batman comics the re presenter of chaotic irreverence to balance Batman's sense of sound justice is not Catwoman or The Riddler. It's really as simple as that. If you see a need to over think it any further then perhaps it's time to stop reading comic books lol.

 

[Anubis]

I didn't say it wasn't interesting or entertaining, but trying to sit there act as if it makes any kind of sense, well, you've taken the stick out of your ass, and placed it firmly into the logic processor of your brain.

Just because putting a sweater on a dog is cute doesn't mean it's not effin' ridiculous.

 

[Mystirious]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

 

[Mystirious]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

 

[Sloth7d]

So, I was going to ask if this event would have been a good point to get back into DC, but from what I gather that answer is "no."

 

[Anubis]

No, September would be the time to get back into DC seeing as they're doing the reboot thing again.

 

[Sloth7d]

So Flashpoint has nothing to do with that?

 

[Drz]

Well yeah Flashpoint is what causes Wildstorm and DC Universe to merge, it's a good standalone story, so hey a fan of quality art and writing? Check it out.

 

[Anubis]

It's only the reason why, but you probably wont need to read it in order to understand the new status quo or nothing. Though everything Batman and GL wont be changed much.

 

[trustyside-kick]

While it doesnt make much sense for Martha to be the Joker didn't Thomas Wayne once wear a sort of Batman costume for a party once

So him deciding to become Batman isnt as random as Martha becoming the Joker

Though maybe we will get an origin for her next issue that makes itcmake more sense

Even without seeing the full fledged reasoning how can it not make sense? The concept here is that just as Bruce went to an extreme angle when his parents died, his parents do the same. Only worse. FAR worse. And it makes sense. Here you have a father who lost his 8 year old son and a mother who also lost her 8 year old son. Makes sense that their marriage might have gotten rockier. And my guess is Martha was the first to snap and went insane. Never getting justice, in her psychotic mind she starts to see justice as a joke and everything as a joke so starts killing and thus becomes the Joker in this reality.

That is really so farfetched?

 

[Anubis]

Yes.

 

[silversurfur65]

I'm enjoying Flaspoint more than I thought I would......It's like DC's version of Marvel's "Ruins" .

 

[Mystirious]

Only slightly less horrific and nightmarish

It's only the reason why, but you probably wont need to read it in order to understand the new status quo or nothing. Though everything Batman and GL wont be changed much.

Which new ones are you going to be buying 'Nubs

 

[Anubis]

None of em.