For those of you who ENJOYED the movie ... post your thoughts here ...

[crazy sock]

are you freakn kidding me?? there is no way in hell you can put the crow in the same category as the powerrangers or the TMNTs. what on earth are you thinking!? what is yer thought process like?? and its not like the crow, whether its the movie or the comics, were made for lil kids. jesus. i dont evene remember the highlander movies being SO popular that anyone in school would talk about it at all. not to say that the crow was, but once again it wasnt made for lil kids. man you are so ignorant its ridiculous.go into any hot topic store n take a look, youll see at least one type of crow merchandise whether its clothing or whatveer else. you def wont find any highlander stuff. jesus.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I do believe you got your point across Lol

 

[crazy sock]

yea sorry about the post being there 3 times. my internet connection kept failing.

 

[Flash-er]

....BUT i do know when a movie is made good or not...

Actually, that's still your opinion. I've seen some movies that were so craptacular that I thought the person who even brought up the idea should've gone to hell, but there must've been people who liked it because it was given the green light to be made and people had bought it on DVD (Adventures of Pluto Nash, updated Godzilla, Eyes Wide Shut, Vanilla Sky, etc.) So any movie is up to debate whether it was good, but ultimately it's up to the viewers whether they liked it or not.

 

[ROBZZY]

the movie is ace i like how it is made via the introduction at the beggiining and how he cant understand his powers at the begginig of the film unlike some films where once they have powers they can use them perfectly i like his motorbike which i think is abolutely awesome.. also how the old ghost rider uses his last ride for the new rider ( cage ) i think it brilliant thumbs up from me !!t: t: t:

 

[crazy sock]

Actually, that's still your opinion. I've seen some movies that were so craptacular that I thought the person who even brought up the idea should've gone to hell, but there must've been people who liked it because it was given the green light to be made and people had bought it on DVD (Adventures of Pluto Nash, updated Godzilla, Eyes Wide Shut, Vanilla Sky, etc.) So any movie is up to debate whether it was good, but ultimately it's up to the viewers whether they liked it or not.

yea, i get what yer saying. but still, less a person actually likes horrible editing jobs, i think thats more of a fact then an opinion. i mean if something is made bad, its made bad. someone can still like it for whatever reason, but its still made bad nonetheless. opinion can only go so far.i can kinda understand if someone liked GR. but to say it wasnt made poorly, either means your standards in film making is low or yer just dellusional. im not here to argue with ppl about them enjoying the movie. but if they cant admit that GR was made crappy, then they have low standards.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You know what i still don't understand the extreme hate for this movie.

I saw it the second night out and i thought it was a really fun and entertaning movie. I mean does everyone want every comic book movie to be dark and moody? I just don't understand the hate. Can someone explain it?

I know what you mean, i watched it the other day and while its not fantastic, its not terrible like some people make out. Its simply average. However, i have a feeling had this been released in 2002, people would have loved it. But, the origin movie formula is becoming boring now because we have had so many of them IMO.

 

[Nathan]

I mean does everyone want every comic book movie to be dark and moody?

If the movie is about hell, satan, death, demons, selling ones soul, the end of the world, then yes, I expect the movie to be dark. I certainly didn't expect the main character to eat jelly beans and laugh at monkeys. Or villains that go down in less than 2 minutes.

 

[Canadian Rider]

Funny thing is I created the thread in the hopes that those who ENJOYED the movie would post in here and the faithful FlameRiders who posted here before the film came out and ENJOYED the movie would have a thread to create a dialogue.

I was told that people here at the SHH boards don't read the titles and post where they want so I shouldn't be surprised ... however.

I will post what I ENJOYED about the movie as I finally have time to do so, now having seen it three times.

Seeing Johnny B. turn into the Rider. Rocked
Seeing GR ride down the building and create the huge smoke cloud and the impressive landing. Rocked.
The awesome Ride with the Phantom Rider -- Can't get the song out of my head and what a beautiful and fitting tribute to the Phantom Rider ... MSJ I just want to say thanks for putting that in. You didn't have to, but it brought back some great memories reading comics as a kid so THANKS.

Rider defeating the Fallen ... NICE. He is the Devil's Bounty Hunter so nobody should give him a hard time.

Seeing Ms. Mendes firing a shotgun ... The faithful Flameheads know how much that meant.

Oh. And the scene with his dad where he picks up the album and puts it down ... looking at the picture of his mom. Classic. Great stuff.

All in all ... I still give it a solid score. Thanks MSJ.

I ENJOYED the movie.

 

[Canadian Rider]

but if they cant admit that GR was made crappy, then they have low standards.

That is your opinion. Your opinion on the editing, your opinion on our standards and your opinion on how to make movies.

Your opinions are not facts. They are your opinions.

Just as my opinion is that I ENJOYED the movie. In fact you reminded me that IMO the transformation of the Phantom Rider was a better effect than any in all of the FF4 or Batman Begins. In my Opinion. Because I ENJOYED the movie.

 

[crazy sock]

yuh huh.

 

[crazy sock]

i have a question about the whole "GR not being dark and gritty a good thing b/c its different" topic.

if the FF movie was made all dark and moody (i know a lot of ppl didnt like FF, but this is just an example.AND,also im sure that the FF comics have issues where they arent all fun n games, but they usually are on a more lighter side.) and not campy n kid friendly, how would you all have reacted to that?

i mean it seems changing the tone of a comic for the movie isnt a big deal to most of you, some even liked GR better than if it was dark and moody b/c the whole hard drinking bad*** dark n moody angle has been done before oh so many times apparently.

im using the whole FF thing as an example because whenever i used the crow as one ( if its tone were that of GR's, that is it being campy n whatnot), noone would respond to that. well one poster did, and he said that the crow was a freak and that MAYBE there are 5 ppl in the entire world that he knows that liked the movie. also, as a kid at lunch him n his friends would talk about power rangers and TMNT and not the crow, so therefore noway was the crow a popular movie.the poster also compared the crow to the Highlander movies because apparently the highlander flicks were and still are much more popular.

so the question, if the FF movie's tone was dark and moody, what would you all have to say about that?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i have a question about the whole "GR not being dark and gritty a good thing b/c its different" topic.

if the FF movie was made all dark and moody (i know a lot of ppl didnt like FF, but this is just an example.AND,also im sure that the FF comics have issues where they arent all fun n games, but they usually are on a more lighter side.) and not campy n kid friendly, how would you all have reacted to that?

i mean it seems changing the tone of a comic for the movie isnt a big deal to most of you, some even liked GR better than if it was dark and moody b/c the whole hard drinking bad*** dark n moody angle has been done before oh so many times apparently.

im using the whole FF thing as an example because whenever i used the crow as one ( if its tone were that of GR's, that is it being campy n whatnot), noone would respond to that. well one poster did, and he said that the crow was a freak and that MAYBE there are 5 ppl in the entire world that he knows that liked the movie. also, as a kid at lunch him n his friends would talk about power rangers and TMNT and not the crow, so therefore noway was the crow a popular movie.the poster also compared the crow to the Highlander movies because apparently the highlander flicks were and still are much more popular.

so the question, if the FF movie's tone was dark and moody, what would you all have to say about that?

Not sure about the question you pose about the FF, but i would have LOVED GR to have the same tone as The Crow, but, having said that, it probably wouldnt have half the money it has had it done so. I also thought GR became suitably dark in certain scene's.

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

Funny thing is I created the thread in the hopes that those who ENJOYED the movie would post in here and the faithful FlameRiders who posted here before the film came out and ENJOYED the movie would have a thread to create a dialogue.

I was told that people here at the SHH boards don't read the titles and post where they want so I shouldn't be surprised ... however.

I will post what I ENJOYED about the movie as I finally have time to do so, now having seen it three times.

Seeing Johnny B. turn into the Rider. Rocked
Seeing GR ride down the building and create the huge smoke cloud and the impressive landing. Rocked.
The awesome Ride with the Phantom Rider -- Can't get the song out of my head and what a beautiful and fitting tribute to the Phantom Rider ... MSJ I just want to say thanks for putting that in. You didn't have to, but it brought back some great memories reading comics as a kid so THANKS.

Rider defeating the Fallen ... NICE. He is the Devil's Bounty Hunter so nobody should give him a hard time.

Seeing Ms. Mendes firing a shotgun ... The faithful Flameheads know how much that meant.

Oh. And the scene with his dad where he picks up the album and puts it down ... looking at the picture of his mom. Classic. Great stuff.

All in all ... I still give it a solid score. Thanks MSJ.

I ENJOYED the movie.

SAME HERE.

And I never take the internet too seriously. The outside world and the web world are like two completely different realms especially regarding movies.

I think there's something fishy about it all... like the movie studios have their spies amongst us more now like studios are trying to sell their movies online more these days through the forums. And this creates a lot more distrust these days. Don't worry though. I'd love to work for hollywood, but I don't.

In my mind, MSJ is better than Sam raimi when it comes to comic adaptation. He doesn't rip off superman and he doesn't fill his movies full of unbearably cheesy crap, though I have to say that playground fight in daredevil is unwatchable garbage. We all make mistakes though. yes I know I'll get shot for saying that but it's the internet. You can't hurt me.

He's a very underrated director who crafts enjoyable films that are just as faithful to their source as any other comic movie but for some reason netters unfairly set their expecations differently for MSJ, as if they didn't enjoy even a second of King pin's perfect portrayal by Duncan. :heart:

Asses. They don't realize how lucky we are that comicbook films are made the way they are today with at least some respect for the source. There was a time when adam west was thought to be the perfect batman you know...


There's room to improve in ghost rider, but wow was it complete crap? LOL, no. I'll put it on my shelf next to the other underrated comicbook movie I liked, Rocketeer.

 

[Canadian Rider]

i have a question about the whole "GR not being dark and gritty a good thing b/c its different" topic.

if the FF movie was made all dark and moody (i know a lot of ppl didnt like FF, but this is just an example.AND,also im sure that the FF comics have issues where they arent all fun n games, but they usually are on a more lighter side.) and not campy n kid friendly, how would you all have reacted to that?

i mean it seems changing the tone of a comic for the movie isnt a big deal to most of you, some even liked GR better than if it was dark and moody b/c the whole hard drinking bad*** dark n moody angle has been done before oh so many times apparently.

im using the whole FF thing as an example because whenever i used the crow as one ( if its tone were that of GR's, that is it being campy n whatnot), noone would respond to that. well one poster did, and he said that the crow was a freak and that MAYBE there are 5 ppl in the entire world that he knows that liked the movie. also, as a kid at lunch him n his friends would talk about power rangers and TMNT and not the crow, so therefore noway was the crow a popular movie.the poster also compared the crow to the Highlander movies because apparently the highlander flicks were and still are much more popular.

so the question, if the FF movie's tone was dark and moody, what would you all have to say about that?

Sock. There is a FF thread. You can ask them what they thought. This thread is about GR.

If you are asking or wanting to talk about the tone of the movie there is a thread for that as well.

This message board is divided into threads so that various individual topics can be discussed.

If you want to argue or talk about the tone of the GR film, go into the movie review threads or the other threads about the movie and discuss the tone there.

This thread is for those who Enjoyed the movie and what they liked about it.

 

[crazy sock]

i dont want to argue about the tone, im just asking a question. and i said that me using FF was just as an example.sorry if i dont bother to search throughout the whole GR message board to see if there's already a thread about a question i have. so why dont you either just answer the question or dont even mention it at all.

 

[crazy sock]

SAME HERE.

And I never take the internet too seriously. The outside world and the web world are like two completely different realms especially regarding movies.

I think there's something fishy about it all... like the movie studios have their spies amongst us more now like studios are trying to sell their movies online more these days through the forums. And this creates a lot more distrust these days. Don't worry though. I'd love to work for hollywood, but I don't.

In my mind, MSJ is better than Sam raimi when it comes to comic adaptation. He doesn't rip off superman and he doesn't fill his movies full of unbearably cheesy crap, though I have to say that playground fight in daredevil is unwatchable garbage. We all make mistakes though. yes I know I'll get shot for saying that but it's the internet. You can't hurt me.

He's a very underrated director who crafts enjoyable films that are just as faithful to their source as any other comic movie but for some reason netters unfairly set their expecations differently for MSJ, as if they didn't enjoy even a second of King pin's perfect portrayal by Duncan. :heart:

Asses. They don't realize how lucky we are that comicbook films are made the way they are today with at least some respect for the source. There was a time when adam west was thought to be the perfect batman you know...


There's room to improve in ghost rider, but wow was it complete crap? LOL, no. I'll put it on my shelf next to the other underrated comicbook movie I liked, Rocketeer.

i dont think sam raimi did such a great job with spiderman, but he did do a good job, definitely better than msj did with GR.

How did sam raimi rip off superman? im seriously asking cause i havent seen the superman movies in years, so if he did rip em off i wouldnt know.

spiderman had its cheese moments, but no way in hell was it cheesier than GR. spiderman is a campy kind of character, hence " friendly neighborhood spiderman". whereas GR isnt a campy character at all. he's the spirit of vengeance, not GR the friendly ghost of vengeance.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Was that they didnt underpower him. It always got on my nerves a bit when i saw characters in Marvel movies shown and lower power levels than they are in the comics. I hated seeing Hulk get knocked back by a tank shell and bothered by bullets (though i loved the movie), and i hated seeing The Thing stuggling with a firetruck in FF and Juggernaut contained merely by some metal on a truck. There are other examples as well that i cant think of, but, while i can understand these changes most of the time, it still bothers me.

But in Ghost Rider, they unleashed him in his full glory IMO and didnt down-power him. Sure, they way he got and threw fireballs was different than the comics, but he still did it, and his strength, durability, and his other abilities were never down-played, so it was great to him in his full glory as he was in the comic's. And it was great to see other demons did have a fear of him as well ("he's coming for us."), as he is a high level demon and very tough in the comics also.

 

[DorkyFresh]

funny....that's one of the things i didn't like about GR. he became too powerful too quickly. when he first got his powers he had practically no control over them and in a couple of days he was defeating demons that had probably been around for centuries with the greatest of ease...


....lame.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

funny....that's one of the things i didn't like about GR. he became too powerful too quickly. when he first got his powers he had practically no control over them and in a couple of days he was defeating demons that had probably been around for centuries with the greatest of ease...


....lame.

Thats exactly how it happens in the comic though, Zarathos is a seperate entity and so has full control over his powers from the start, its not like Spiderman were its still the same person.

Now if your saying that Blaze got control of Zarathos too quickly, then i agree with you.

 

[DorkyFresh]

we all know that not everything from comic books translates well to the big screen. so yes...i'm saying that Johnny Blaze was able to control Zarathos or "Ghost Rider" too quickly and too easily. even if the movie was faithful to the way he did in the comics that doesn't mean the writers/director had to follow that formula for the movie. what works in comics doesn't always work on film.

 

[Mr Nick]

Was it Zarathos or was it kind of a Hellfire-Enhanced Johnny?

When he said "Back to Hell!" and "Look into my eyes!" I thought it was Zarathos.

But when he said "You're pissing me off" and "Yee-ha!" I thought it was Hellfire-Enhanced Johnny.

It was almost like two different characters and it confused me.

Either way, I agree with you, Dorky, in that he mastered it too easily.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

TOO easily.

I have the same powers and haven't mastered 'em in over 30 years.

 

[TNC9852002]

Ummm...Okay

-TNC

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

we all know that not everything from comic books translates well to the big screen. so yes...i'm saying that Johnny Blaze was able to control Zarathos or "Ghost Rider" too quickly and too easily. even if the movie was faithful to the way he did in the comics that doesn't mean the writers/director had to follow that formula for the movie. what works in comics doesn't always work on film.

Well he didnt get complete control of Zarathos until towards the end of the movie, most probably after Blackheart kidknapps Roxanne. So it wasnt as if he had complete control over him from the start. But, yeah, a mind battle or something wouldnt have gone amiss in showing how Johnny got control.