The Dark Knight From LatinoReview: Joker Intro SPOILERS!

[MacBoon]

Sounds pretty damn cool, and in line with what the Joker would do.
BUT, i agree with ronzpeed. why would he have a grudge that early on?

 

[Batman>all]

Batman vs all criminals in Gotham! Should be fun!

 

[Bishop]

Why would the Joker have a grudge against Batman if they haven't met each other yet?

silly ninny.

pretty much a staple theme of every Nolan film is the obsession of one or more characters. batman, as a high profile vigilante, could be an easy focus for a nutjob such as joker. additionally, batman comics featuring the joker often concentrate on his unhealthy obsession with the dark knight.

so its perfectly feasible.

 

[ronzpeed]

silly ninny.

pretty much a staple theme of every Nolan film is the obsession of one or more characters. batman, as a high profile vigilante, could be an easy focus for a nutjob such as joker. additionally, batman comics featuring the joker often concentrate on his unhealthy obsession with the dark knight.

so its perfectly feasible.

Again, they would have to have some sort of contact for the Joker to be obsessed with Batman. Why wouldn't he just have an obsession with the Scarecrow, he expelled fear gas all over Gotham, hmm?

 

[Jkr]

That bank scene gives me an idea....j/k

How do we know that's the real deal on what's going to happen? Even though it probably will cause it sounds like a joker thing to do.

 

[kooldude88]

That bank scene gives me an idea....j/k

How do we know that's the real deal on what's going to happen? Even though it probably will cause it sounds like a joker thing to do.

possibly, but we should all no by now that the Joker is so unpredictable, that we wont even guess what he does next

 

[rijuco]

the joker prolly holds the money ransom as a distraction for all the criminals and police to be occupied...while he does something else...

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

awesomeness at it finest.

 

[Juggernaut33]

I am not saying that this report is BS but...why does Alfred says (in the trailer) that the mob "turned to a man they didn't fully understand" if the Joke steals the mobsters money. Sounds strange to me.

 

[Batman1939]

Pretty cool Intro cant wait too see it on the Big Screen

 

[TheBatman072]

Sounds like bull****.


As mentioned above, this doesn't gel at all with what the OFFICIAL teaser implied. It implied that Batman was basically wiping out all mobs from Gotham very swiftly. So they turn to Joker, "a man they didn't fully understand." Who probably has alterior motives, not just a "mob lackey."


So yeah, probably bull****.

 

[Juggernaut33]

Sounds like bull****.


As mentioned above, this doesn't gel at all with what the OFFICIAL teaser implied. It implied that Batman was basically wiping out all mobs from Gotham very swiftly. So they turn to Joker, "a man they didn't fully understand." Who probably has alterior motives, not just a "mob lackey."


So yeah, probably bull****.

I think just like you but on the other hand:

Spoiler

INT. BANK - DAY
The MASK-WEARING THUG stuffs cash into his bag as the wounded BANK MANAGER watches him.

BANK MANAGER
You have any idea who you're stealing from? You and your friends are dead.

The thug isn't bothered

BANK MANAGER (CONT'D)
You idiot. What makes you think the guy who hired you isn't going to kill you, too?

The Thug STOPS. Crouches over him. In the distance: SIRENS.

GENTLE VOICE
Call it a hunch.

The man PULLS off his MASK. The Bank Manager GASPS, horrified at the face staring back at him.

GENTLE VOICE (CONT'D)
It's rude to stare.

The bank manager summons his nerve, gritting his teeth.

BANK MANAGER
What are you? You freak. Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in, huh? What do you bel-

BANG...the THUG puts a bullet into the MANAGER's head.

 

[seishin87]

This...

Spoiler

Burning the mob's money

does sound a bit Long Halloweenish.

 

[gazzilla8000]

Why would the Joker have a grudge against Batman if they haven't met each other yet?

Remember guys, TDK will not be in complete chronological order. Nolan said so, I believe it was at the WW panel.

It could be that the bank robbery happens late in the story, hence why the Joker has turned on the mob and hates Batman.

 

[TheBatman072]

I think just like you but on the other hand:

Spoiler

INT. BANK - DAY
The MASK-WEARING THUG stuffs cash into his bag as the wounded BANK MANAGER watches him.

BANK MANAGER
You have any idea who you're stealing from? You and your friends are dead.

The thug isn't bothered

BANK MANAGER (CONT'D)
You idiot. What makes you think the guy who hired you isn't going to kill you, too?

The Thug STOPS. Crouches over him. In the distance: SIRENS.

GENTLE VOICE
Call it a hunch.

The man PULLS off his MASK. The Bank Manager GASPS, horrified at the face staring back at him.

GENTLE VOICE (CONT'D)
It's rude to stare.

The bank manager summons his nerve, gritting his teeth.

BANK MANAGER
What are you? You freak. Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in, huh? What do you bel-

BANG...the THUG puts a bullet into the MANAGER's head.

Well, it is the Joker. Sounds like a pretty good joke to me.

 

[Nepenthes]

I don't believe this will happen. I don't like it anyway.

 

[Monster]

Don't underestimate them eh?

I'm sure the film will run rather smoothly and fill the gaps in everyone's minds.

 

[Juggernaut33]

Remember guys, TDK will not be in complete chronological order. Nolan said so, I believe it was at the WW panel.

It could be that the bank robbery happens late in the story, hence why the Joker has turned on the mob and hates Batman.

I don't know but since when does the Joker need a reason to kill the Batman? Joker knows Batman (he was in the press!) and since he wants to be the only freak in Gotham, he wants him dead.

After all, "some men aren't looking for anything logical."

 

[jtfaria]

Remember guys, TDK will not be in complete chronological order. Nolan said so, I believe it was at the WW panel.

It could be that the bank robbery happens late in the story, hence why the Joker has turned on the mob and hates Batman.

Yes, so the scene that begins the film is not where the story actually begins. Good point, well done. So, let's say the mob 'hires' Joker to go after Batman, but then they lose focus and interest in Joker. Maybe they even screw him over. Joker robs the bank to become the center of attention again, maybe get some revenge on the mob. (Bet his gang doesn't know his real motivation!) That all hangs together nicely as far as I am concerned, and is consistent with the confirmed details (the sides, the teaser) that we have.

This out-of-order theory also explains why the Joker is wearing a mask. By this point, his face is probably well-known, and he's something of a target. The bank manager, therefore, recognizes him, as the 'sides' dialogue implies. He says 'WHAT are you?' not 'WHO are you?', and he knows that Joker has a 'different' agenda ("Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect."). He's not saying this because Joker robs his bank, which he believes to be suicidal (he says as much before the mask comes off). He says this because he knows about other things Joker has done, and they make no sense to him.

Like the bank manager, WE also recognize Joker when we see him. So by presenting the bank scene out of order at the beginning, Nolan starts the film off by giving the audience a dramatic 'reveal' of the character. (Remember how Batman 89 handled this reveal, with Joker stepping out of the shadows?) No wonder he thought this scene was important enough to shoot with IMAX.

Normally, a thief burning money stolen from a bank would not actually wipe out that money. That money is insured by the Federal Government. Maybe since it is 'grey market' money it isn't properly insured, however. I suppose they can work around that point. Anyway, as others have said, the scheme does sound quite Jokerish. He's not motivated by money per se, and isn't THAT what Alfred was really saying in that teaser dialogue?

 

[jtfaria]

the joker prolly holds the money ransom as a distraction for all the criminals and police to be occupied...while he does something else...

This is also a good point, and doesn't conflict with what we know. I think you're probably right. BTW, this would keep the criminals, the police, AND Batman pretty well occupied.

Although it is really unsettling, how much you think like the Joker.

 

[Juggernaut33]

Yes, so the scene that begins the film is not where the story actually begins. Good point, well done. So, let's say the mob 'hires' Joker to go after Batman, but then they lose focus and interest in Joker. Maybe they even screw him over. Joker robs the bank to become the center of attention again, maybe get some revenge on the mob. (Bet his gang doesn't know his real motivation!) That all hangs together nicely as far as I am concerned, and is consistent with the confirmed details (the sides, the teaser) that we have.

Great theory! Maybe the reason why the Bank Manager is horrified when he sees that the man behind the clown mask is non other than The Joker is because the character faked his death earlier.

But then again, I don't know. Chris Nolan said that the first 5 minutes of the film (the ones we are talking about) will explain how the Joker became one of the most feared criminal in Gotham City. If this scene actually takes place a while after the Joker first attempt to kill the Bat, then he must already be considered as one of the most feared in criminal in Gotham.

 

[jtfaria]

Great theory! Maybe the reason why the Bank Manager is horrified when he sees that the man behind the clown mask is non other than The Joker is because the character faked his death earlier.

But then again, I don't know. Chris Nolan said that the first 5 minutes of the film (the ones we are talking about) will explain how the Joker became one of the most feared criminal in Gotham City.

Well, these first 5 minutes do offer a concise explanation of who Joker is. Take another look at what the bank manager says in the sides. Joker apparently believes in nothing. His motivations are unfathomable (and you always fear what you don't understand...). Also, look at the manager's reaction - he is terrified. Then Joker shoots him in cold blood.

I find this consistent with Nolan's remarks.

And yes, this may have come after the Joker's faked death. That's another possible reason for the mask, then - he's supposed to be dead, after all. Naturally, the bank manager would be shocked to see the face of a 'dead' man under the mask.

 

[Gotham]

I absolutely love the fact that The Joker is putting a bounty of sorts on Batman's head.

 

[Monster]

I like the fact that we're still having the discussion of Joker's skin colour on another topic, classic :P

 

[Gotham]

Well, it is the Joker. Sounds like a pretty good joke to me.

Don't even use that as a excuse. Isn't the opening sequence of the film at a power plant, though, and apparently Batman and The Joker are involved.