From what franchise will Marvel TDK born?

[thejon93]

'Daredevil', it should've been 'The Dark Knight' on it's release date, but wasn't.

 

[roach]

Iron Man as a franchise is in limbo between definite blockbuster franchise and so-so franchise.

He's A-List but in Marvel Town he needs to share the ball with Hulk and when Captain America comes in, he needs to hand that ball as Steve Rogers is always the fan favorite. Batman has the ball of for himself in DCU. He's also hated in comic world because of Millar's bad writing which turns him into the Bad Guy in Civil War.

So I don't expect IM 2 will be that big in normal scenario. IM2 has rushed schedule which will most certainly goes against the quality of the movie.

separate the comics from the movies.
Did IM share the ball with the Hulk this summer...no. The both did very well IM moreso.
The general movie going audience that saw Iron Man and liked it doesnt care about Civil War. Iron Man 2 is going to be big because everyone liked the first one. Regardless of actual quality I believe it will have a big box office. It will follow the same as every other superhero sequel with a good first movie ala Spider-man 2, X2. People will remember how good Iron Man was and will go see Iron Man 2

 

[marcvader]

Yeah, the general audience absolutely loved Ironman when it came out and it will make huge numbers when the sequel comes out regardless of all the behind the scene problems with resigning Favreau. The general movie going audience are not on movie boards discussing and aware of these things. They could care less they just want to see Ironman and Downey Jr. in action.

 

[.Rorschach.]

I'd have to go with Captain America

 

[MBonez12]

i agree with everything everyone is saying about how IM is fairly parallel moviewise with Batman. however, there is one thing that is being vastly overlooked that IM lacks that will cause its sequel to be less successful than TDK: a villain as diabolical as the joker. sure, they can take the whole mandarin approach, but i can only see the sheer lack of humanity exuded by the joker in TDK shown by the red skull. so i think that if any movie has a chance to mimic TDK's success, it will be a captain america movie, and probably not the first one, but the sequel, assuming the first is a success.

 

[Heretic]

This is going to come as a shock to some...but Iron Man and Batman are not the same character. Iron Man doesnt need...no...shouldnt have...a villian like The Joker. What Iron Man needs is a quality villian, regardless if it ends up being The Mandarin or Paste Pot Pete. There is absolutely no reason to be assigning any of The Dark Knights specifics to an Iron Man movie. A great movie is all that is really needed to be Marvels TDK.

 

[MBonez12]

they arent the same characters, but they are similar in their background. i have no doubt im2 will be a smash hit and hugely successful, but what made tdk as successful as it is and what will keep im2 from being that successful is the joker.

 

[Rich Santoro]

The Joker is what would make IM2 successful??? A dark psychotic sadist is what IM needs???

And they are similiar in background... how??? Because they are rich playboys???

Stark is a playboy... Wayne plays at it to hide his identity. These two characters are different in more ways than they are the same. Their "hero's motivation" is different, their origins are different... their "powers" are clearly different... as are their gallery of villians. Batman faces largely psychotic characters right out of Arkam Asylum, while Ironman is looking at the megalomaniac high-tech types like the Mandarin.

Spiderman has the rogues gallery more akin to Batman's. And he could use a darker themed film now (which 3 should have been, with Venom and the duality angle). Anyway... IM2 needs a great villian, but not in the mold of The Joker.

 

[Heretic]

Tony Stark watched his family get shot by Jack Nicholson...wait...some thug...and devoted his entire life to fighting crime. Its all right there in the comics!

Okay, maybe not...the similarities between the two are surface at best. Stark IS a playboy, while Wayne PRETENDS to be one. Not only that, but in the movies Stark has no secret identity to protect, while Wayne does. Iron Man tends to fight your megalomaniac world conquering villians, while Batman fights crazies on the street. Iron Man 2 will not be a grim and gritty movie about him fighting an evil clown. It will instead be a great movie that fits in with the Irom Man concept, and despite the fact that it will be completely different in tone, IF its a truly great film then it will be Marvel's TDK.

Heck, its possible that TDK never would have been greenlit if movies like Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2 hadnt coem first, so you could say that either of those movies were Marvels TDK and wouldnt get too much of an argument from me...though Marvel can do even better with those characters.

 

[MBonez12]

im not talking about similarities that are that specific, im talking about general similarities. basically, the fact that neither im or bm have superpowers, but use their money to make themselves superheroes.

as far as the joker comment, yes, thats exactly what i mean, joker in im2.
except not at all. what im trying to say is that there is no villain within the im world that has the magnitude that joker has in tdk. however, in captain america, the red skull is a big enough villain that, if done correctly, he could catapult the series to tdk levels.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Mandarin is the Ra's Al Ghul of the Marvel U.

Written well, he's a smart, devious global archvillain with a big agenda + 10 alien rings + Chi powered martial arts. More dangerous than Red Skull or the Joker. Written poor, he's the Asian stereotype.

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ I concur

And MBonez12...

I think I get your point about the Joker... being an iconic villian with as much presence as the superhero himself. And I agree, IM really doesn't have an iconic villian in his history...

But the general similarities between BM and IM pretty much stop at them being rich... using their wealth for their 'powers'. Anyway... I feel that Spiderman is Marvel's TDK... and TDK is DC's Spiderman.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Spiderman can't be Marvel TDK. A TDK means the film make people forget that it's a superhero film. Spiderman relies on fantastic superhero power.

 

[Loony Moony]

i would love to see a black panther movie in a realistic setting, i would prefer moon knight but they are currently making a tv series for him so i can't have it all, if they didn't have a moon knight series coming out then i would say that moon knight is marvels batman except cooler, stronger, and mentally unstable

 

[Chewy]

So I don't expect IM 2 will be that big in normal scenario. IM2 has rushed schedule which will most certainly goes against the quality of the movie.

IM2 will be HUGE. The rushed schedule nonsense that you are stating is meaningless. Have people already forgotten that Downey wasn't even cast until the end of September in 2006?

 

[Rich Santoro]

Spiderman can't be Marvel TDK. A TDK means the film make people forget that it's a superhero film. Spiderman relies on fantastic superhero power.

I don't think I agree with that... But that is just my opinion... so I will leave it at that, and stand by my comment.

 

[MBonez12]

spiderman, in its own right, has been the tdk of marvel, but at the same time, i anticipated spiderman 3 the same way i anticipated tdk, and was ultimately let down by spiderman. economically, it did just as well, but the movie itself did not come close to how good tdk was. maybe spiderman can become as good as tdk moneywise and moviewise in future movies if they figure out what theyre doing wrong and correct it (sinister 6 for the 6th movie?), but in terms of other options, i think captain america has all the potential in the world.

 

[Rich Santoro]

It is so true that SM3 was a HUGE let down. It tarnished the franchise in my view.

It should have focused on the psychological aspects of the parasite bringing out Peter's darker side... Sandman should have been dropped altogether. He is a great villian, and was done well for film... but it was too much for one movie, causing it to fall horribly short on the Venom story. I think it would have been fascinating to focus on that...

Having Harry as the Green Goblin was just right to play anger (revenge) v. anger (suppressed id). Anyway... They should delve into that element with the next film, using the Lizard, to empahsize the primal nature of man (his mild mannered professor becomes a savage beast terrorizing the city).

 

[Heretic]

im not talking about similarities that are that specific, im talking about general similarities. basically, the fact that neither im or bm have superpowers, but use their money to make themselves superheroes.

as far as the joker comment, yes, thats exactly what i mean, joker in im2.
except not at all. what im trying to say is that there is no villain within the im world that has the magnitude that joker has in tdk. however, in captain america, the red skull is a big enough villain that, if done correctly, he could catapult the series to tdk levels.

Iron mans rogues gallery leaves a lot to be desired, thats for sure. Thats why his movies will focus on Stark as opposed to the villians. Iron Man also doesnt have a Harvey Dent or a Jim Gordon, but thats why the movies will have to be different and both can be great. Batman is a crime thriller and Iron Man is a sci fi movie. So, other than "is the film good?" there should be many similarities. How does Iron Man hold up against other sci fi properties? Its one of the biggest sci fi movies of all time! Iron Man should be fighting giant robots and Fin Fang Foom, not street level crazies...though Id suggest that Fin Fang Foom has larger magnitude than The Joker, since he could destroy entire continents or whatever..

 

[MBonez12]

^point taken. however, when you think of best villain of all time, who comes to mind first, fing fang foom or joker? granted, i think the joker is THE greatest villain of all time and will never be topped, which may mean tdk may never be topped. but for arguments sake, id say red skull could do it above anyone else.

 

[Heretic]

The Joker, for my money, is the best villian of all time. Also, I believe that Heaths portrayal of The Joker is better than any other portrayal of that character in any medium. So, is it possible for ANY franchise to beat the best representation of the best villian of all time? No, not bloody likely. Whatever franchise it is (I believe Iron Man) it will have to have a well developed villian AND be incredibly strong in other areas. I prefer Robert Downey Jrs Stark/Iron Man over Christian Bales Wayne/Batman in TDK...so your lead character is already there in my opinion.

But, for the sake of just guessing...what is the best sci-fi action movie of all time? Empire Strikes Back? It seems weird to throw Iron Man in with that since ones a space opera and the other is a tech movie, but whatever. Sci fi is such a generic term that it can mean anything from ET to any number of post apocalyptic movies (Mad Max??? Sci Fi???). I would say that once you take away your non action scif fi movies, Iron Man stands up as one of the best of the genre...and part 2 could be amazing if handled right. I certainly think that Iron man is Marvels best movie to date (apologies to Man-Thing fans).

Time will tell, I suppose...but as far as Im concerned, if Ant Man is a family friendly comedy and is SUPERB, then it can be considered a TDK rival...because it tried something new and redefined the boundaries of the genre.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Moon Knight or Thor. I can see them making those movies very very good. They wouldn't make more money then TDK, of course not, but I can see the movies being generally better.

 

[roach]

^point taken. however, when you think of best villain of all time, who comes to mind first, fing fang foom or joker? granted, i think the joker is THE greatest villain of all time and will never be topped, which may mean tdk may never be topped. but for arguments sake, id say red skull could do it above anyone else.

again if the villain is popular or not as long as it is written well it wont make a difference.

 

[marcvader]

The Red Skull could definitely be one of the most nasty, creepy, and menacing villains ever if written and depicted well. Remember the guy was a Nazi and Hitler's weapon and just envisioning a skinless red bloody head makes me sick.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The Red Skull could definitely be one of the most nasty, creepy, and menacing villains ever if written and depicted well. Remember the guy was a Nazi and Hitler's weapon and just envisioning a skinless red bloody head makes me sick.

Yeah but he's a talking red Skull.

Nolan's Batman was about his world being just to the left of ours. No permawhite skin.

Two-Face, as good as he looked, was still not very menacing because you could see the CG work, great work still.

I think we all need to get away from this looking at everything through TDK eyes. Batman's world is unique. As soon as you introduce superpowers, you are losing the edgy quality Nolan's Batman has.