Frozen 2

[DarthSkywalker]

One thing I never figured out is, why did they isolate Anna? I could see why they'd be worried about Elsa and keep her away from other people but it doesn't make any sense to me that they would also force Anna into the same solitude. Especially since, as the second daughter, they'd want to get her married off to the prince of a neighboring kingdom.

It would have made more sense if they'd sent Anna off to a boarding school and kept Elsa isolated at home. But that would've messed up the plot...

Well they were pretty little when everything happened. I don't think they were thinking about marrying Anna off, especially after the accident. Anna's isolation comes with the isolation of Elsa, but once their parents were gone, Elsa kept it going.

 

[DACrowe]

Loved Frozen! It's one my go-to Dis movies, along with Tangled, Moana, Brave, Zootopia...

As to Idina's voice from Elsa, I had never heard much from her so I didn't have any preconceived ideas as to where it 'belongs.' So in that way, she sounds just like Elsa!

If that's the case, my former Rent Head self will be curious how you take this type of Elsa (and hey it's the type of relationship all of Twitter wants for her too!)

 

[DACrowe]

They imprisoned their child for years, how is that not villainous. I don't care what their intentions were, they still committed a crime. Being a better parent than Gothel isn't exactly a huge accomplishment.

The two dip****s get no sympathy for me.

They made a bad mistake parenting. That's not villainous... it is a mistake with perhaps tragic and lifelong consequences for the daughter. I actually now hope Disney deals with this pain in a way that is more sophisticated than this "burn them!" mentality online, even though I hope the twist might be they're actually dead. Heck, it'd be interesting if the other magical powered folks in the sequel are Elsa and Anna's half-siblings if one parent survived the ship wreck?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They made a bad mistake parenting. That's not villainous... it is a mistake with perhaps tragic and lifelong consequences for the daughter. I actually now hope Disney deals with this pain in a way that is more sophisticated than this "burn them!" mentality online, even though I hope the twist might be they're actually dead. Heck, it'd be interesting if the other magical powered folks in the sequel are Elsa and Anna's half-siblings if one parent survived the ship wreck?

One thing I really dislike about the second How To Train Your Dragon film is how they handle Hiccup's mother abandoning him. They don't address it, at all.

 

[Abudefduf]

Okay guys, you convinced me... for some reason I was really misremembering the beginning of the movie. That doesn't mean I like Elsa's parents now, but I admit that saying they deserve to be punished by her was going a little too far.

 

[Thome216]

non

 

[Thome216]

If that's the case, my former Rent Head self will be curious how you take this type of Elsa (and hey it's the type of relationship all of Twitter wants for her too!)

You know, I don't hear Elsa in there. There are some instances where the voices are similar, but the singing style is too different to my ear to picture Elsa singing this way. Maybe in the next movie...

As to what the Twits are up about, I'm alright if they do. Keep her single, give her a boyfriend or girlfriend, as long as the character is done right and is not just for 'click-bait.'

But as to the clip, did they stay together or break up? Now I need to know...

 

[CB Fan]

One thing I really dislike about the second How To Train Your Dragon film is how they handle Hiccup's mother abandoning him. They don't address it, at all.

That’s not true. After she shows him everything she’s been doing and tells him why she left she timidly asks him if he’s mad. Hiccup is processing more than a few unexpected things and replies that he doesn’t know which is a better answer than a straight yes or no because it shows there are conflicting emotions, as one would expect. After they feed the dragons she realizes he turned out like her and says “but where was I”, she asks him if he could forgive her and give her another chance. She’s hard on herself for leaving him yet Hiccup gets it even if some part of him wishes she had been there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That’s not true. After she shows him everything she’s been doing and tells him why she left she timidly asks him if he’s mad. Hiccup is processing more than a few unexpected things and replies that he doesn’t know which is a better answer than a straight yes or no because it shows there are conflicting emotions, as one would expect. After they feed the dragons she realizes he turned out like her and says “but where was I”, she asks him if he could forgive her and give her another chance. She’s hard on herself for leaving him yet Hiccup gets it even if some part of him wishes she had been there.

And this is exactly what I am talking about. It is resolved in moments. Something that should have been at the heart of the film, isn't explored but for mere moments. What she did to Hiccup, especially with how he was raised, is some traumatic stuff. She was selfish, and they don't explore it at any great length. Even Stoick just falls back in line. And I know why of course. It was discussed quite a bit on the fansites for Dragons. Dreamworks wanted to make sure the film was under 100 mins. So they cut out Hiccup's mother being feral (the big remnant of this is her first scene), and his struggle with the fact that he was abandoned by her. Which is sad, and imo took any chance the second film had of being as strong as the first one. It also made his mother a background character, with no real arc.

 

[CB Fan]

I suppose. A longer run time could’ve allowed for more exploration into that but I was fine with what they gave. Hiccup gets what refusing to kill a dragon meant to the their people. He gets what it’s like to sympathize with the dragons and feel like the only option is to leave which is what he was going to do himself in the first film until Astrid blocked his plans. Overall I was surprised that they even touched on it for as long as they did as Dreamworks isn’t exactly known for deep storytelling.

 

[DACrowe]

You know, I don't hear Elsa in there. There are some instances where the voices are similar, but the singing style is too different to my ear to picture Elsa singing this way. Maybe in the next movie...

As to what the Twits are up about, I'm alright if they do. Keep her single, give her a boyfriend or girlfriend, as long as the character is done right and is not just for 'click-bait.'

But as to the clip, did they stay together or break up? Now I need to know...

Heh, I could see that. A very different type of song than Elsa's power ballads.

As to together? It's a running joke (more so in the play, which Menzel also originated the role in) that they're that couple who constantly breaks up and gets back together. But when the story ends, they are back together, but let's just say, I wouldn't bet on it being for life. Still, they're in a better place than the main couple of the story who... probably don't have much life left at all.

 

[dmcreif]

God, I hope not. That would be a cop-out. I really hope that the parents remain dead, but maybe it’s something to do with their own powers that Anna and Elsa are looking for. A lot of people think the two new characters in the trailer are the parents, young. I wonder if there’s any truth to that.

Agreed. It would be too cheap. However, from what I've heard from for example, the official Russian calendar (and not clickbait articles repeating fandom speculation as fact), I can believe that Elsa will start to wonder about the origin of her powers, and might, for example, find the old books and research King Agnarr had done on the subject. I mean, he knew immediately where to find the trolls, because he had some ancient volume in his study with pictures of the trolls healing some white-haired viking-looking dude, and this was where he hid the secret map to the trolls' location. So it'd make sense that he'd have done some historical research on the subject as soon as he figured out that damn he's going to have to raise up a future mage queen.

 

[Thome216]

For all the preparation, he ended up not doing to well...

I to hope they keep the parents in the 'grave' as it were. It would be nice to have them still be alive and rescued, and I would still watch it, but I would prefer they left that in the past and moved forward. I hope the girl shown is Anna's daughter and she is somehow lost, and maybe this leads to them finding the source of their power or just others with similar abilities.

Oh, and I hope Anna becomes a fire-mage!

 

[dmcreif]

The idea that that girl is Anna's kid makes no sense. The girl has light brown skin and brown hair. So unless Anna got frisky with a dark Jamaican beefcake, she would never give birth to her. That rules out that she could be a child of Anna and Kristoff. Not to mention that Anna, Elsa and Kristoff look indistinguishable from their appearances in Frozen and the girl is clearly in her early teens. And considering Sven is the same age as Kristoff (21), he's already quite old and should theoretically be dead by the time any of Anna and Kristoff's hypothetical kids grow to this size.

 

[Abudefduf]

 

[Arachnerd]

Well, her finding out where her powers came from was always speculated as a good sequel hook, so that'll be interesting.

 

[THORin]

It’s simple, but I really like this poster. And that tag line (assuming the translation is accurate) gives us some indication of the narrative. It looks like we will indeed be learning the secrets of Arendelle and Elsa’s magic.

 

[Abudefduf]

It would make sense for Elsa to be the focus of this movie. She's much more interesting than her sister.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It would make sense for Elsa to be the focus of this movie. She's much more interesting than her sister.

Is she? Because the reason why Frozen worked was Anna. She was the heart of the film, who made it go and brought everything together.

 

[THORin]

Is she? Because the reason why Frozen worked was Anna. She was the heart of the film, who made it go and brought everything together.

Undeniably. But as a character, I agree with Abudufdef that Anna is less interesting than Elsa. Just my opinion, though.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is she? Because the reason why Frozen worked was Anna. She was the heart of the film, who made it go and brought everything together.

But everyone liked Let it Go, and lots of people seemed to relate to that song and Elsa. So it seemed that she was the one whose story audiences wanted to follow. I can imagine that lots of people thought Elsa was the heart of it. She definitely seems more interesting and has many more storytelling possibilities.

 

[flickchick85]

Nah, Anna was the one who got people invested. Elsa was closed off for most of the movie and so, as a character, felt more like a cipher. Anna was the funny, relatable one who garnered all the sympathy. But the two are perfect complements - if Anna's the heart, Elsa's the head - and both are vital. And it makes more sense for Elsa to get more focus this time since, as I mentioned, she was so introverted for the majority of the first one, and we haven't gotten much of a chance to know the "new and improved" Elsa.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But everyone liked Let it Go, and lots of people seemed to relate to that song and Elsa. So it seemed that she was the one whose story audiences wanted to follow. I can imagine that lots of people thought Elsa was the heart of it. She definitely seems more interesting and has many more storytelling possibilities.

I am not denying that people like Elsa more or that people love Let it Go. How Frozen is structured puts a lot of the weight on Anna. She does all the heavy lifting. And don't get me wrong, I adore both. But the way Anna is dismissed is just... well bizarre imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah, Anna was the one who got people invested. Elsa was closed off for most of the movie and so, as a character, felt more like a cipher. Anna was the funny, relatable one who garnered all the sympathy. But the two are perfect complements - if Anna's the heart, Elsa's the head - and both are vital. And it makes more sense for Elsa to get more focus this time since, as I mentioned, she was so introverted for the majority of the first one, and we haven't gotten much of a chance to know the "new and improved" Elsa.

I should have read down before responding. Because FC said it a lot better then me.

 

[Sithborg]

I am not denying that people like Elsa more or that people love Let it Go. How Frozen is structured puts a lot of the weight on Anna. She does all the heavy lifting. And don't get me wrong, I adore both. But the way Anna is dismissed is just... well bizarre imo.

It isn't to me. Elsa's story is the one that draws people to make comparisons to their own life.

That, and well, Elsa's the hot one.