Rogue One General Rogue One News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - Part 4

[Marvolo]

When does the review embargo lift?

The Rogue One review embargo is lifted at 5pm EST on 12/13.

 

[Timebomb]

Thanks. Just visited the thread so I don't know if this has been discussed before. I'm a little worried now. Disney likes to lift the embargo earlier if they feel they have a hit, dont they?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Galen and Krennic:

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[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks. Just visited the thread so I don't know if this has been discussed before. I'm a little worried now. Disney likes to lift the embargo earlier if they feel they have a hit, dont they?

This embargo falls earlier then TFA's, and they knew they had a hit on their hands there. I am guessing they are going to have all the Star Wars embargoes break around the same time period to avoid showing their hand.

 

[Timebomb]

This embargo falls earlier then TFA's, and they knew they had a hit on their hands there. I am guessing they are going to have all the Star Wars embargoes break around the same time period to avoid showing their hand.

Makes sense.

 

[OnTheAir]

International trailer #4:

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[Greens]

Does releasing a thousand trailers turn the Mouse on or something?

 

[titansupes]

I haven't watched any past the first two and the teaser. Stop trying to tempt me, Mickey.

 

[Marvolo]

International markets have their own separate trailers. It's not unusual. Different markets require different things.

Other than the bad musical score, that trailer was sexy. Lots of action beats. And after seeing Chirrut dodging blaster bolts and [BLACKOUT]shooting down a Tie with a rifle[/BLACKOUT] I'm pretty sure he "sees" the same way Kanan does and is more attuned to the Force than I thought.

 

[sueb1863]

The Rotten Tomatoes page is up:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rogue_one_a_star_wars_story

 

[LEOZZTT]

There have been rumors about two characters from The Phantom Menace making a cameo. Does anyone know who are they? I think one of them could be Mas Amedda. The other one I have no clue.

Spoiler

I wonder how he gets ****ed up so bad that he needs a bacta bath...Ill be ecstatic if we get to see a battle damaged Vader in battle with part of his suit and mask ripped away. Sith eyes and scars on display. Just wrecking Rebels soldiers.

Well... This is just speculation... But what if...

Spoiler

...Darth Vader decides to deal with the Rogue One team personally and goes after them on Jedha. Then Orson Krennic, who is described as very unpredictable, decides to test the Death Star and kill two birds with one stone. Vader survives the blast (hence the bacta tank scene), and that one line from AHN ("The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.") would suddenly have another meaning.

 

[Lencho01]

International trailer #4:

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That shot of the planet getting destroyed.

 

[Doctor Jones]

There have been rumors about two characters from The Phantom Menace making a cameo. Does anyone know who are they? I think one of them could be Mas Amedda. The other one I have no clue.

*Prays for Ric Olie*

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Rogue One:

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[Ivan Drago]

Rogue One:

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I need Felicity Jones in my pocket.

 

[Doctor Jones]

However, I didn't hate any of the clips either. Then again, if Doctor Jones had a problem with them that doesn't really make him wrong. It just means he didn't like or care for them.

Sometimes I think people get way too defensive about any negativity that might come out regarding one of their movies here.

I get people being passionate about something but I get the sense when someone criticizes something they like, it's like a criticism of them.

These clips were bad. I hate saying this. I've criticized this movie as apart of Disney's approach for a year because it's a bad idea. So is there a prejudice? Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with having bias or prejudice with something. But I don't let that prejudice form my opinion of something when I see it. I saw this with my prejudice thinking it'd be mediocre, (maybe it'd be great, but that's unlikely given how I've been feeling about it) but it just wasn't.

A movie is supposed to sell me on it. This movie is not doing a good job. Of course when I see it I will have a better opinion but that doesn't mean I can't challenge and question what I see now.

I sometimes feel like I'm in Invasion of the Body Snatchers here.

I am curious. When did I talk about this stuff?

On the Doctor Jones front. He has been complaining about Disney Star Wars for a year now. And in the, "well the prequels were actually creativity" kind of way. So, yeah. t:

I never conflate quality with uniqueness or originality. I mention how the prequels at least pushed boundaries and felt different and the singular visions of a filmmaker. It doesn't fix the bad quality of them though. Disney is too focused on trying to pander to fans with nostalgia and doing everything to not be disliked to the point of not taking any risks at all. Yes, that is what they are doing. If you don't think so, then I can't convince anyone at this point. Yet I have hope for Ep. 8 that can change my mind about much of this new direction. It's definitely possible. But for now, you're gonna have to deal with at least one person questioning this franchise on the Hype.

My fear is that we are lowering our standards for these movies. All these movies have to do is not be the PT and they will be considered better or good movies. They're trying to be like the OT too much in all the wrong ways. I mean it. There can be two scenes better than the PT movies and people can say, "Well at least it's not as bad as the prequels." People will use the prequels to diminish the effects of the present film. I hope this movie doesn't suck, I hope it proves me wrong (yes believe it or not, I really do!) but I hope if it sucks people will at least admit it. Because a second SW film after TFA should not suck. Each SW movie should have great storytelling while pushing what the franchise can do and make give us new meaning to what SW can do that's not just a war film or a heist film.

Now people can take this however they want, but someone from my work has a friend who works in Disney and said a few months ago that this movie was having serious problems and didn't think it'd be as successful as TFA.

Believe it or not, I care about these movies as much as you guys. I'm on your side. I just feel differently. I'm a SW fan who cares so much, that's why I say these things. I'm concerned because it's out of love. This isn't like the nest DC WB film where I couldn't give a flying ****.

 

[terry78]

I need Felicity Jones in my pocket.

I'm going to assume that came out exactly as you intended.

 

[Greens]

We can rest easy knowing that Vader's helmet has been fixed

 

[Doctor Jones]

I hope Vader is portrayed well and not as just Satan. Like ANH, he's the Emperor's side guy who is used to be scary and intimidating and that's pretty much it. I like the idea that Vader is concerned about the Death Star but if he'll just be portrayed as the most bad ass living thing ever that will be disappointing.

 

[Greens]

I hope Vader is portrayed well and not as just Satan. Like ANH, he's the Emperor's side guy who is used to be scary and intimidating and that's pretty much it. I like the idea that Vader is concerned about the Death Star but if he'll just be portrayed as the most bad ass living thing ever that will be disappointing.

Obviously we all see him as the ultimate bad-ass anyway because we know what happens next, but I think his portrayal will be true to A New Hope.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get people being passionate about something but I get the sense when someone criticizes something they like, it's like a criticism of them.

These clips were bad. I hate saying this. I've criticized this movie as apart of Disney's approach for a year because it's a bad idea. So is there a prejudice? Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with having bias or prejudice with something. But I don't let that prejudice form my opinion of something when I see it. I saw this with my prejudice thinking it'd be mediocre, (maybe it'd be great, but that's unlikely given how I've been feeling about it) but it just wasn't.

A movie is supposed to sell me on it. This movie is not doing a good job. Of course when I see it I will have a better opinion but that doesn't mean I can't challenge and question what I see now.

I sometimes feel like I'm in Invasion of the Body Snatchers here.



I never conflate quality with uniqueness or originality. I mention how the prequels at least pushed boundaries and felt different and the singular visions of a filmmaker. It doesn't fix the bad quality of them though. Disney is too focused on trying to pander to fans with nostalgia and doing everything to not be disliked to the point of not taking any risks at all. Yes, that is what they are doing. If you don't think so, then I can't convince anyone at this point. Yet I have hope for Ep. 8 that can change my mind about much of this new direction. It's definitely possible. But for now, you're gonna have to deal with at least one person questioning this franchise on the Hype.

My fear is that we are lowering our standards for these movies. All these movies have to do is not be the PT and they will be considered better or good movies. They're trying to be like the OT too much in all the wrong ways. I mean it. There can be two scenes better than the PT movies and people can say, "Well at least it's not as bad as the prequels." People will use the prequels to diminish the effects of the present film. I hope this movie doesn't suck, I hope it proves me wrong (yes believe it or not, I really do!) but I hope if it sucks people will at least admit it. Because a second SW film after TFA should not suck. Each SW movie should have great storytelling while pushing what the franchise can do and make give us new meaning to what SW can do that's not just a war film or a heist film.

Now people can take this however they want, but someone from my work has a friend who works in Disney and said a few months ago that this movie was having serious problems and didn't think it'd be as successful as TFA.

Believe it or not, I care about these movies as much as you guys. I'm on your side. I just feel differently. I'm a SW fan who cares so much, that's why I say these things. I'm concerned because it's out of love. This isn't like the nest DC WB film where I couldn't give a flying ****.

And I call the obvious "nah" on the one who will defend the prequels, while complaining about one of the three best Star Wars films like it is an example of the sad state of film making. Doing so in multiple threads not even on the topic because you can't help yourself. Saying TFA is setting the film industry back.

This movie might suck. But that has nothing to do with how you have been talking about it. You can like what you like, no problem there. But frame this argument in the correct manner. You have a problem with Disney making Star Wars films, because you have decided to go on a bit of an anti-Hollywood crusade. You have been transparent on this front for a long time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Obviously we all see him as the ultimate bad-ass anyway because we know what happens next, but I think his portrayal will be true to A New Hope.

Since when was Vader not the ultimate bada... oh yeah, the prequels.

 

[Greens]

Since when was Vader not the ultimate bada... oh yeah, the prequels.

In A New Hope, Tarkin called him on his ****. He was more like a bodyguard type who happened to look pretty cool. Obviously we now know Vader was up to all kinds of **** between III and IV.

 

[JB33]

Yeah, Doctor Jones is doing more than just stating his opinion. He's really going out of his way here. I'm not swayed by it either way, I can just tell he's trying pretty hard to project what is ultimately his own opinion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In A New Hope, Tarkin called him on his ****. He was more like a bodyguard type who happened to look pretty cool. Obviously we now know Vader was up to all kinds of **** between III and IV.

When did Tarkin call him on anything?

Vader is the black knight in Star Wars. He plays the role of the one outside of the chain of command, who respects those he believes deserves respect. Tarkin is one of them. The rest he craps on, even just starts choking someone who annoys him, because he can. They set him up as a man to be reckoned with, by establishing him as the one who killed Luke's father.

He is the one sent after the plans, he invades the blockade runner, he kills without question (when he releases that guy, it is out of courtesy to Tarkin. He didn't need to stop, and who would have stopped if he decided not to?), he decides to pursue Obi-Wan, and he decides he needs to get in the Tie to save the Death Star. Vader is very much his own man in Star Wars, not someone's bodyguard.