Superman Returns Geoff Johns and Richard Donner love Superman Returns!

[Kane]

and some of that spin, imo, is inferior. Its only now that they've gotten to a point where post crisis is acctually decent.

And how did they get it there?

By removing Bryne's crap from the 80s/90s and revisiting Superman's Silver-age classical roots....

Bringing back the basics... essentially a concept which is respected in this film.

 

[raybia]

and some of that spin, imo, is inferior. Its only now that they've gotten to a point where post crisis is acctually decent.

That's is why a director and/or writer when going through the years of source material (pre and post crisis) still has to recognize what is gold from all the crap and implement that into an exciting story that seems somewhat familar while at the same time is original in that it does not lull the audience to sleep.

I think Donner/Puzo and Nolan/Goyer did it the best.

 

[raybia]

And how did they get it there?

By removing Bryne's crap from the 80s/90s and revisiting Superman's Silver-age classical roots....

Bringing back the basics... essentially a concept which is respected in this film.

Not all of Bryne's work was crap. I loved him Krypton and I loved the fact that he brought a more Scifi approach to Superman and less of the fantasy aspect.

 

[Kane]

Not all of Bryne's work was crap. I loved him Krypton and I loved the fact that he brought a more Scifi approach to Superman and less of the fantasy aspect.

The sci-fi aspect was something WB learned the hard way, wouldnt fly with the mainstream audience on a whole.

Peters essentially wanted to make Superman into Star Wars.....but apologized in the documentary saying that Superman needs to be from the heart, not away from it.

Stuff like Superman of All Seasons brought Superman back to that and made us not regard him as a test-tube baby from an emotionless Vulcan Krypton or an Electric-powered being.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Shes got Lynda Carter-ness....

Funny you should mention that. When you post the very first pic of her at some premire, her look kinda give off that look of Lynda in some pics of her as WW before you mention this part. Nice!

 

[Monstera]

Peters essentially wanted to make Superman into Star Wars.....but apologized in the documentary saying that Superman needs to be from the heart, not away from it.

That's Peters' romantic spin you're parroting. Truth is, Peters' vision failed because the concepts were stupid and uninspired. Science-fiction elements in the Silver Age Superman abound, and it seems like everyone's pining for those "good old days" lately. It's not the science-fiction themes themselves that are un-Superman or un-mainstream.

 

[Eros]

And how did they get it there?

By removing Bryne's crap from the 80s/90s and revisiting Superman's Silver-age classical roots....

Bringing back the basics... essentially a concept which is respected in this film.

you are aware most of the supposed "crap" from the 90s didn't come from Bryne. He stopped writing superman not to long after he rebooted him. Besides most of the"crap" is better then the nonsense stories they wrote in the silver-age at time. Like for example in one silver-age issue of superman, superman goes back in time [own his on power] to get himself as a baby, so he could help a midget get his job back in a play . Silver-age stories like those are such "classic" tales read All-star superman once in awhile, stuff like that wouldn't last a week in a mainstream superman title.

 

[raybia]

you are aware most of the supposed "crap" from the 90s didn't come from Bryne. He stopped writing superman not to long after he rebooted him. Besides most of the"crap" is better then the nonsense stories they wrote in the silver-age at time. Like for example in one silver-age issue of superman, superman goes back in time [own his on power] to get himself as a baby, so he could help a midget get his job back in a play . Silver-age stories like those are such "classic" tales read All-star superman once in awhile, stuff like that wouldn't last a week in a mainstream superman title.

Excellent point!

 

[Bad Superman]

you are aware most of the supposed "crap" from the 90s didn't come from Bryne. He stopped writing superman not to long after he rebooted him. Besides most of the"crap" is better then the nonsense stories they wrote in the silver-age at time. Like for example in one silver-age issue of superman, superman goes back in time [own his on power] to get himself as a baby, so he could help a midget get his job back in a play: Silver-age stories like those are such "classic" tales read All-star superman once in awhile, stuff like that wouldn't last a week in a mainstream superman title.QUOTE]

Oh God. . . I think I'm gonna be sick. . .

 

[raybia]

you are aware most of the supposed "crap" from the 90s didn't come from Bryne. He stopped writing superman not to long after he rebooted him. Besides most of the"crap" is better then the nonsense stories they wrote in the silver-age at time. Like for example in one silver-age issue of superman, superman goes back in time [own his on power] to get himself as a baby, so he could help a midget get his job back in a play: Silver-age stories like those are such "classic" tales read All-star superman once in awhile, stuff like that wouldn't last a week in a mainstream superman title.QUOTE]

Oh God. . . I think I'm gonna be sick. . .

If you think that is bad:


http://superman.ws/tales4/kryptomouse/

 

[Kane]

you are aware most of the supposed "crap" from the 90s didn't come from Bryne. He stopped writing superman not to long after he rebooted him. Besides most of the"crap" is better then the nonsense stories they wrote in the silver-age at time. Like for example in one silver-age issue of superman, superman goes back in time [own his on power] to get himself as a baby, so he could help a midget get his job back in a play . Silver-age stories like those are such "classic" tales read All-star superman once in awhile, stuff like that wouldn't last a week in a mainstream superman title.

It started with Bryne's vision at got progressively worse into the 90s...I just usually refer to it all as the Bryne era because it started with his work and pretty much downward spiraled from MOS.

The silver-age revivial has been happening for some years now but have they ever done stupid stories like the ones you mentioned? No.

They just keep the basic classic elements of Superman and make the stories modern and realistic within the realm of today's Superman. Singer's film is pretty silverage inspired but it doesnt have any of those ridiculous old stories (hence why alot of elements of Superman 2 and Superman 3 and 4 are de-canonized).

And dont complain to me if you dont like the silver-age concept revival, its happening whether you like it or not....so complain to DC if you dont want to give it a chance........but I can happily say that everything in the past few years (in the 21st century) for Superman comics is vastly superior ten-fold to the stuff from 1986 to the 90s.

 

[Bad Superman]

If you think that is bad:


http://superman.ws/tales4/kryptomouse/

whyyy? Ohh whyyy?

 

[raybia]

They just keep the basic classic elements of Superman and make the stories modern and realistic within the realm of today's Superman. Singer's film is pretty silverage inspired but it doesnt have any of those ridiculous old stories (hence why alot of elements of Superman 2 and Superman 3 and 4 are de-canonized).

I thought this was the whole premise and intent of the Post-crisis/Bryne era.

 

[Kane]

Bryne was to reinvent/change alot of details, experiment....like how the Smallville televison series does.


The more recent classic inspired stuff just simply uses the basics for the origins of Superman and doesnt try to change Krypton to a cold heartless race, Clark into a test-tube baby...etc.

 

[raybia]

The more recent classic inspired stuff just simply uses the basics for the origins of Superman and doesnt try to change Krypton to a cold heartless race, Clark into a test-tube baby...etc.

Obiviously you don't like that interpretation of Krypton, which is fine, but that doesn't mean it was crap.

I liked that fact about Krypton because it gave Earth a redeeming quality that in spite of its backwardness compared to Krypton, could enable it to far exceed it one day, ironical enough with the help of the last son of Krypton as inspiration.