Superman Returns Geoff Johns and Richard Donner love Superman Returns!

[Matt]

Looks like Matt got owned

yawn

 

[Kane]

This isnt even about Donner mainly.

Its about GEOFF JOHNS.

Hes someone whos opinion I respect because HES AN AMAZING WRITER.

He brought back the Green Lantern corps and redeemed Hal Jordan after they butchered him in the 1990s, gave the saga new life (Rebirth is amazing).

Its great to know he liked it.

 

[KrypJonian]

This is awesome

I personally respect the hell out of Geoff Johns and his opinion. I'm stoked that he dug the flick.

I personally don't care whether Donner liked it or not, for reasons that have already been brought up. Besides, it was just Johns saying Donner liked it, I'd like to hear Donner's opinion from his own mouth.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Source: http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29363

As far as I know this hasn't been posted yet. Hopefully I was right. Anyway, this is good news nonetheless.

SUPER AWESOME

 

[NateGray]

Yeah Yeah And critics are also Singer's friends, go on with consoling yourself.

Yeh yeh except the ones who did not like it they are just haters or idiots right ????
Kinda nice double standard you have there where if its a good review they were spot on but if its a bad review.....idiots and morons ummm yeh.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

John Byrne didnt like it at all, so he's a hack who ruined the character...

Geoff Johns liked it, therefor he's a great and well-respected writer.

Interesting.....

 

[The Batman]

But most people have been saying bryne is a hack whos ruined superman for the longest time...

Because he is a hack who ruined the character. turned him into a marvel character

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

thats funny, I've been reading on here for the past 5 years and most people have been giving Byrne credit for making the character more realistic, and making Lex less of a hackneyed villain, etc. When you think about it, Singer's Superman is more in line with his vision of a humanistic character, anyway. So either Byrne is a hypocrite or the people here are when they call him a hack.

I dont particularly like Byrne's MOS, it's just the way the tide of opinion turns here amazes me.

 

[ProductionMusic]

Most people have been saying bryne is a hack whos ruined superman for the longest time

Get your facts straight Hulk. Bryne has not been liked since well forever

 

[The Batman]

thats funny, I've been reading on here for the past 5 years and most people have been giving Byrne credit for making the character more realistic, and making Lex less of a hackneyed villain, etc.

I dont particularly like Byrne's MOS, it's just the way the tide of opinion turns here amazes me.

What i've read is more half in half. Some think Bryne completely missed the point of the character...and he did

 

[NateGray]

thats funny, I've been reading on here for the past 5 years and most people have been giving Byrne credit for making the character more realistic, and making Lex less of a hackneyed villain, etc.

I dont particularly like Byrne's MOS, it's just the way the tide of opinion turns here amazes me.

I hear ya its ridicilous that one cannot have any concerns or think badly of the movie in anyway or they are a hater or an idiot....

 

[ProductionMusic]

thats funny, I've been reading on here for the past 5 years and most people have been giving Byrne credit for making the character more realistic, and making Lex less of a hackneyed villain, etc. When you think about it, Singer's Superman is more in line with his vision of a humanistic character
pinion turns here amazes me.

opinion turns happen everywhere not just here

 

[ProductionMusic]

I hear ya its ridicilous that one cannot have any concerns or think badly of the movie in anyway or they are a hater or an idiot....

Just the way things are nothing will change

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

opinion turns happen everywhere not just here

so does that make it less stupid?

 

[NateGray]

opinion turns happen everywhere not just here

Here let me quote Lex from the movie for you


WRONG!!!!
Please do not take the wrong seriouly its only a joke

anytime anyone posts a concern or anything negative about the movie they are attacked by pro SR people like a pack of rabid dogs.

Not sure what forums you are refering to but no positive concerns or reviews are being attacked in that fashion.

 

[KrypJonian]

John Byrne didnt like it at all, so he's a hack who ruined the character...

Geoff Johns liked it, therefor he's a great and well-respected writer.

Interesting.....

No no, you've got it all wrong...

John Byrne IS a hack, and Geoff Johns IS a great and well-respected writer.

These are facts, and they were facts before their respective movie reviews came out.

Byrne is given credit for doing a pretty sweet revamp on Superman because that's just what it was. The same with his X-Men stuff with Chris Claremont. But what has he done in the past since Superman that was good? Hardly anything, IMO, so he is now a hack who b**ches about JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING and thinks he is entitled to much more than he really is.

Geoff Johns has proven himself in the last 5 or so years that he is a damn good writer, worthy of the praise he receives.

None of this has anything to do with their reviews.

BTW- We know there's a problem with haters and praisers around here, but you're not helping anything by coming in here and making snippy remarks instead of discussing relevant points.

 

[NateGray]

No no, you've got it all wrong...

John Byrne IS a hack, and Geoff Johns IS a great and well-respected writer.

These are facts, and they were facts before their respective movie reviews came out.

Byrne is given credit for doing a pretty sweet revamp on Superman because that's just what it was. The same with his X-Men stuff with Chris Claremont. But what has he done in the past since Superman that was good? Hardly anything, IMO, so he is now a hack who b**ches about JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING and thinks he is entitled to much more than he really is.

Geoff Johns has proven himself in the last 5 or so years that he is a damn good writer, worthy of the praise he receives.

None of this has anything to do with their reviews.

BTW- We know there's a problem with haters and praisers around here, but you're not helping anything by coming in here and making snippy remarks instead of discussing relevant points.

You know that comment would hold more weight had you not been one of the people attacking people with negative opinions or concerns about the movie.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

No no, you've got it all wrong...

John Byrne IS a hack, and Geoff Johns IS a great and well-respected writer.

These are facts, and they were facts before their respective movie reviews came out.

Byrne is given credit for doing a pretty sweet revamp on Superman because that's just what it was. The same with his X-Men stuff with Chris Claremont. But what has he done in the past since Superman that was good? Hardly anything, IMO, so he is now a hack who b**ches about JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING and thinks he is entitled to much more than he really is.

that's funny I thought his Superman was what we were talking about in here?

None of this has anything to do with their reviews.

youre correct, but the inverse seems to be true, that their reviews seem to have everything to do with how good of a writer they were.

BTW- We know there's a problem with haters and praisers around here, but you're not helping anything by coming in here and making snippy remarks instead of discussing relevant points.

Is it "snippy" to point out others bull****?

 

[KrypJonian]

Ugh, way to side step it, rather than discuss it.

You guys came in making absurd claims about these respective writers' reviews being the basis of how we rate them as a writer, I'm letting you know that's not the case.

And no, pointing out other people's bullsh** is not snippy, especially when it is done to try to create more awareness on BOTH SIDES of the coin.

I know there is a problem with people being attacked as "haters" or "trolls" for not liking something, but it has also created a backlash of people who automatically assume that the pro-SR people are being unreasonable when their not.

 

[KrypJonian]

You know that comment would hold more weight had you not been one of the people attacking people with negative opinions or concerns about the movie.

When did I do this? I DARE you to find a time.

 

[NateGray]

When did I do this? I DARE you to find a time.

LMAO do you really want me to just find one of your response's to Matt???? Seriously

 

[KrypJonian]

Do it.

And you know as well as I do that Matt is not one of the "wrongfully accused" people. Would you say that Matt does nothing to stir sh** up?

Would you say Matt doesn't just go into a thread (not all the time, mind you) and says "I hate this" without giving reasons as to why?

People from both sides are being unreasonable around here, I'm just trying to make everybody aware so hopefully this doesn't happen so often.

 

[KrypJonian]

But sorry, this is way off-topic.

Nate- Let's take this to PMs if you want to continue, okay?

 

[Kane]

John Byrne didnt like it at all, so he's a hack who ruined the character...

Geoff Johns liked it, therefor he's a great and well-respected writer.

Interesting.....

I liked Geoff Johns way before this. I would be very DISAPOINTED if he hated it, Im thankful he didnt.

Byrne is another story, his opinion doesnt carry much weight after hes proven what his vision of Superman should be.....a drastic departure from the silver age traditions.

You even called him a 'hack'... and the sad thing is Singer even tried to put a tribute to his Superman in the film...with the 'space plane' sequence, but not good enough for him I suppose.

 

[NateGray]

But sorry, this is way off-topic.

Nate- Let's take this to PMs if you want to continue, okay?

No need I think we understand each other.

sorry for the mini thread jack now back to the reviews.