Geoff Johns, is he DC Films New Hope?

[-Arya-]

I'd like to believe that Johns is in charge and can help this universe find its footing. However after hearing the ****storm behind the scenes with SS and WB interfering out of panic, I'm not confident. I really want DC films to succeed but the future is very murky. Once WW and JL are released, we'll have a clearer picture of what will happen. Until then, we just have to wait.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I can see Affleck's Batman movie happening regardless. He came out as the best part in BVS. The character has had its highs and lows in movies. The character of Batman has bounced back before from being in bad movies. And Affleck has made 3 very successful well reviewed movies for WB. Hopefully that means he has more say behind the scenes. Also Harley/Deadshoot are the best parts of SS.

I'd actually also put Aquaman up there to. James Wan has been killing it recently, and his counjuring/Annabelle/Lights out movies have done good business for WB. He's actually the only DCEU director to have helmed a billion dollar grossing movie.

Also try to keep the Rock in the Shazam movie. Audiences love the Rock, and he's BoxOffice viagra.

 

[-Arya-]

I can see Affleck's Batman movie happening regardless. He came out as the best part in BVS. The character has had its highs and lows in movies. The character of Batman has bounced back before from being in bad movies. And Affleck has made 3 very successful well reviewed movies for WB. Hopefully that means he has more say behind the scenes. Also Harley/Deadshoot are the best parts of SS.

I'd actually also put Aquaman up there to. James Wan has been killing it recently, and his counjuring/Annabelle/Lights out movies have done good business for WB. He's actually the only DCEU director to have helmed a billion dollar grossing movie.

Also try to keep the Rock in the Shazam movie. Audiences love the Rock, and he's BoxOffice viagra.

I don't think anyone would dispute this. The problem is WB execs panicking, not trusting their filmmakers and hiring incompetent people to cut and paste the movie after it has been completed. WB needs to back off.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

One wonders how different the DC film slate would be if Alan Horn was still with WB.

 

[daddydivine]

I don't think anyone would dispute this. The problem is WB execs panicking, not trusting their filmmakers and hiring incompetent people to cut and paste the movie after it has been completed. WB needs to back off.

I dont agree with this at all. You can tell they trust THE HELL out of there filmmakers. They allowed Snyder to do some pretty risky things with the franchise.

And Ayer said that his cut of Suicide Squad is pretty close to what he wanted.

WB/DC basically needs better quality control. They need someone talented enough and with enough pull to dictate the direction they want to go in and not allow a filmmaker to decide something that important unless he makes it a fulltime job. With a connected franchise that could potentially be dozens of movies you just have to find the right balance between director focused and whats best for the franchise as a whole.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

One wonders how different the DC film slate would be if Alan Horn was still with WB.

Funny Alan Horn was around at WB during Marvel's phase one but before Avengers. During his time Nolan had his Dark Knight trilogy still going on. There still wasn't a consensus about whether Superman Returns was getting a sequel. And George Miller was trying to get JL Mortal of the ground.

Three universes that would have had no connections to each other. That could have potentially gone on at the same time.

 

[Boom]

I dont agree with this at all. You can tell they trust THE HELL out of there filmmakers. They allowed Snyder to do some pretty risky things with the franchise.

And Ayer said that his cut of Suicide Squad is pretty close to what he wanted.

WB/DC basically needs better quality control. They need someone talented enough and with enough pull to dictate the direction they want to go in and not allow a filmmaker to decide something that important unless he makes it a fulltime job. With a connected franchise that could potentially be dozens of movies you just have to find the right balance between director focused and whats best for the franchise as a whole.

Exactly right.

Letting the filmmaker make the movie they want to make and then turning around and reshooting/butchering it in post-production to add more "shared universe" connections and change the tone is an approach that simply is not working.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I think the last thing he did was give the OK to Marc Guggenhiem to work on the Green Lantern movie. And express interest in trying to do a JL movie, not that they would necessarily be in the same universe.

Also funny in hindsight Jeff Robinov wasn't really interested in a DCEU either. Then everyone got excited when Kevin T said he did want to make a DCEU.

Keep in mind this was prior to Avengers busting records.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Exactly right.

Letting the filmmaker make the movie they want to make and then turning around and reshooting/butchering it in post-production to add more "shared universe" connections is an approach that simply is not working.

I think Snyder has his limits as a filmmaker, don't think that he could have ever made a 90% rt scored BVS. But the UC might have at least gotten a better reception than the TC. I think even if he repeated his MOS 55% BVS could have broken a billion.

 

[SM_experiment]

I think Snyder has his limits as a filmmaker, don't think that he could have ever made a 90% rt scored BVS. But the UC might have at least gotten a better reception than the TC. I think even if he repeated his MOS 55% BVS could have broken a billion.

Not only does he have limits as filmmaker, I have to be honest here, He is told to be good as a stylist but most of that is just uncreative rehashes most of the time either statically from comics or simply from better filmmakers. He is simply not a good filmmaker that has gotten by because of good writer (Dawn of Dead), Gimick (300) and adapting "the best" comic book of all time (Watchmen). And even Watchmen (movie) is mostly a gimick. His images are flat boring and static. He is one of commercial filmmakers that come up to making movies and no one tells them how bad/horrible their ideas, style and talents are.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I used to like Snyder's visuals, but they've grown old for me. I found the visuals in MOS, Watchmen and 300 stunning, and while Sucker Punch is a HORRIBLE movie, it does look pretty good. But I found BvS to be an incredibly ugly film. A lot of it just looked cartoonish and fake, and scenes that should have been colorful and vibrant were dull and washed out. It's very telling that the TURKISH AIRLINE COMMERCIALS that were done to promote BvS looked better than the movie itself.

I've said this several times before, but it almost feels like Snyder got pissed off at fans for complaining about the dark elements in MOS (some of those complaints, I think, were overblown) and so he doubled down on that in BvS, making the darkest, ugliest movie he could. And while the JL movie seems to have more humor than BvS, it still maintains that dark aesthetic, set in a world where sunlight apparently doesn't exist. But, to be fair, we haven't seen more than a couple scenes.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Forgot here's a little on Berg



A little on Jon Berg producer on notable movies in the past couple years

BVS
Elf (before joining WB)
Edge of Tomorrow
Meet Dave (before joining WB)
Argo
Blind Side
American Sniper
Sherlock Holmes
Dark Knight Rises
Jersey Boys
Live by Night (Affleck's upcoming movie)

Currently attached to all DCEU movies now

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I used to like Snyder's visuals, but they've grown old for me. I found the visuals in MOS, Watchmen and 300 stunning, and while Sucker Punch is a HORRIBLE movie, it does look pretty good. But I found BvS to be an incredibly ugly film. A lot of it just looked cartoonish and fake, and scenes that should have been colorful and vibrant were dull and washed out. It's very telling that the TURKISH AIRLINE COMMERCIALS that were done to promote BvS looked better than the movie itself.

I've said this several times before, but it almost feels like Snyder got pissed off at fans for complaining about the dark elements in MOS (some of those complaints, I think, were overblown) and so he doubled down on that in BvS, making the darkest, ugliest movie he could. And while the JL movie seems to have more humor than BvS, it still maintains that dark aesthetic, set in a world where sunlight apparently doesn't exist. But, to be fair, we haven't seen more than a couple scenes.

Snyder still soars in the set pieces (except that horrible Batmobile chase). But his directing of dialogue is rote and boring. Just two people talking in robotic shot/reverse shot set up. Even Joss Whedon is more imaginative than that.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Give Johns complete control over Green Lantern and it will easily become DC's top franchise. I honestly believe this. This can be their STAR WARS if done right

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'd like to believe that Johns is in charge and can help this universe find its footing. However after hearing the ****storm behind the scenes with SS and WB interfering out of panic, I'm not confident. I really want DC films to succeed but the future is very murky. Once WW and JL are released, we'll have a clearer picture of what will happen. Until then, we just have to wait.

I thought that most of the mess with Suicide Squad happened a while before the big shakeups and Johns "taking over".

 

[kguillou]

I used to like Snyder's visuals, but they've grown old for me. I found the visuals in MOS, Watchmen and 300 stunning, and while Sucker Punch is a HORRIBLE movie, it does look pretty good. But I found BvS to be an incredibly ugly film. A lot of it just looked cartoonish and fake, and scenes that should have been colorful and vibrant were dull and washed out. It's very telling that the TURKISH AIRLINE COMMERCIALS that were done to promote BvS looked better than the movie itself.

I've said this several times before, but it almost feels like Snyder got pissed off at fans for complaining about the dark elements in MOS (some of those complaints, I think, were overblown) and so he doubled down on that in BvS, making the darkest, ugliest movie he could. And while the JL movie seems to have more humor than BvS, it still maintains that dark aesthetic, set in a world where sunlight apparently doesn't exist. But, to be fair, we haven't seen more than a couple scenes.

I respectfully disagree, to me, his cinematography is unparalleled. I dont know how much of it was him or Larry Fong but every frame of BvS looked like a living comic book. I only WISH some of the Marvel films could get that kind of atmospheric look to them.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Yeah Suicide Squad reshoots and re editing started around April.
Geoff Johns got the position in mid May, but WB never confirmed it untill the end of July

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I used to like Snyder's visuals, but they've grown old for me. I found the visuals in MOS, Watchmen and 300 stunning, and while Sucker Punch is a HORRIBLE movie, it does look pretty good. But I found BvS to be an incredibly ugly film. A lot of it just looked cartoonish and fake, and scenes that should have been colorful and vibrant were dull and washed out. It's very telling that the TURKISH AIRLINE COMMERCIALS that were done to promote BvS looked better than the movie itself.

I've said this several times before, but it almost feels like Snyder got pissed off at fans for complaining about the dark elements in MOS (some of those complaints, I think, were overblown) and so he doubled down on that in BvS, making the darkest, ugliest movie he could. And while the JL movie seems to have more humor than BvS, it still maintains that dark aesthetic, set in a world where sunlight apparently doesn't exist. But, to be fair, we haven't seen more than a couple scenes.

Want more daytime stuff, like this scene

 

[mclay18]

A little on Jon Berg producer on notable movies in the past couple years

BVS
Elf (before joining WB)
Edge of Tomorrow
Meet Dave (before joining WB)
Argo
Blind Side
American Sniper
Sherlock Holmes
Dark Knight Rises
Jersey Boys
Live by Night (Affleck's upcoming movie)

Currently attached to all DCEU movies now

I think he got the gig partly due to his connections to Ben Affleck and because he was able to keep those movies on time and on budget. So essentially they're splitting the Kevin Feige role between Berg (budget and overall production) and Johns (creative producer).

Also, before his promotion, Johns has gradually become more involved with future DC films. He outlined and co-wrote Wonder Woman and did a detailed outline with James Wan for Aquaman (which Will Beall is writing the screenplay). I have no doubt he will do outlines for for Man of Steel 2, a WW sequel, and GL Corps.

 

[Jonwo]

I think he got the gig partly due to his connections to Ben Affleck and because he was able to keep those movies on time and on budget. So essentially they're splitting the Kevin Feige role between Berg (budget and overall production) and Johns (creative producer).

Also, before his promotion, Johns has gradually become more involved with future DC films. He outlined and co-wrote Wonder Woman and did a detailed outline with James Wan for Aquaman (which Will Beall is writing the screenplay). I have no doubt he will do outlines for for Man of Steel 2, a WW sequel, and GL Corps.

Geoff has slowly become the face of DC, he's the one who gets interviewed about comics or TV and now film.

I wonder with Geoff in charge if we'll finally get the Metal Men movie that was in development, he has a fondness for the characters so I imagine it'll happen either as a DCEU live action film or an animated film by Warner Animation Group.

 

[TheVileOne]

Here is what I wrote about Geoff Johns in another forum. Seems relevant here:

Here's an honest question. Is Geoff Johns really the guy to right the ship and get this all under control? Can he truly be DCEU's Feige?

Now I will tell you, 10 years ago, Johns was one of my favorite writers on the planet. I loved his Green Lantern and Avengers comics. Then I think after Sinestro Corp War is when I think Johns' writing started to take a decline in quality.

I thought New 52 Justice League was really badly written. Also the return of Barry Allen and what it did to Wally West was pretty terrible. I stand by that too.

Johns has had a significant role in DC Entertainment. He was clearly creatively involved in the Green Lantern movie, and that did not turn out well.

So I ask you all, should we really be excited that Johns is in a new creative role to have certain control over all these movies?

When these films get in the editing room, will he really make sure there is a clear singular voice and these movies don't come out to be a disjointed mess when they hit theaters?

 

[The Endless]

Get Mark Waid.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I thought New 52 Justice League was really badly written. Also the return of Barry Allen and what it did to Wally West was pretty terrible. I stand by that too.

Johns has had a significant role in DC Entertainment. He was clearly creatively involved in the Green Lantern movie, and that did not turn out well.
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Actually, he had almost no input. When the project began in 2008, he was brought in by WB to discuss the concepts of the mythos, but he didn't write any part of the story. When the film began to meander in the middle, the script clearly could have used his influence to make it more comic book authentic and less Hollywood cookie cutter.

 

[TheVileOne]

Actually, he had almost no input. When the project began in 2008, he was brought in by WB to discuss the concepts of the mythos, but he didn't write any part of the story. When the film began to meander in the middle, the script clearly could have used his influence to make it more comic book authentic and less Hollywood cookie cutter.

You say that but he's credited as co-producer of the movie. He was there at Comic-Con in 2010 and was asserting a great deal of ownership over the film while he was there. and he was clearly involved to some degree. Not to mention he was still constantly championing the project and campaigning for a sequel long after it released and essentially failed.

 

[flickchick85]

Get Mark Waid.

I would LOVE this (Birthright's my 2nd favorite Superman story), but considering his vocal negativity toward the current DCEU, I'd imagine that bridge is burned.