Ghost Rider 2 underway

[Advanced Dark]

When Stan Lee sold the rights to Marvel characters to Marvel...apparently (or so the suit claims) Marvel never registered the Ghost Rider rights before they expired. Now this guy knew this and never did anything about it and even said he wasn't gonna do something unless Marvel made money off it. Now he's saying Marvel let the character rot, underused it, and did a poor job with it. The thing is Sony bought the movie rights from Marvel so he's suing Sony too. If they guy was so concerned about the character be misreprestend then why did he wait for it to make over 500 million in total character revenue before claiming such. It's a paradox. LOL He sounds as if he doesn't even care about the character and just wants money per his own quotes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

When Stan Lee sold the rights to Marvel characters to Marvel...apparently (or so the suit claims) Marvel never registered the Ghost Rider rights before they expired. Now this guy knew this and never did anything about it and even said he wasn't gonna do something unless Marvel made money off it. Now he's saying Marvel let the character rot, underused it, and did a poor job with it. The thing is Sony bought the movie rights from Marvel so he's suing Sony too. If they guy was so concerned about the character be misreprestend then why did he wait for it to make over 500 million in total character revenue before claiming such. It's a paradox. LOL He sounds as if he doesn't even care about the character and just wants money per his own quotes.

Who is the guy is it Gary Friedrichs?

 

[jrd550]

Here's Norton talking about the Hulk reboot - I wish GR had veered away from a standard origin story:

Question: Are you going with the TV show origin or more of a comic-book origin?

Norton: I think two things about that. I don't ever like the phrase even, "origin story," because I think that sometimes seems to imply that you begin at the beginning. I don't think in great literature or great films that explaining the roots or the history in the story necessarily comes at the beginning. Or in a multiple-part saga, that you get all of it the first time out.

I think the arc of telling a story well is answering those questions and explaining those histories but not necessarily just by front-loading all of it. And if there's something that I've tended to wish that was done better sometimes in these movies is that I always don't want them to race through that origin and get through it and then get on to the story. Because it just seems like obligatory, like you're hustling through it.

One thing Louis and I talked about when we were sitting down to re-approach this as a script was let's grapple with what our own version of the history in this story is, but spool it out in an artful way throughout the story. I don't think we really wanted to go into a lot of detail about certain things, but I certainly wouldn't say this film is rooted in the television show at all.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Interesting.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Here's Norton talking about the Hulk reboot - I wish GR had veered away from a standard origin story:

Question: Are you going with the TV show origin or more of a comic-book origin?

Norton: I think two things about that. I don't ever like the phrase even, "origin story," because I think that sometimes seems to imply that you begin at the beginning. I don't think in great literature or great films that explaining the roots or the history in the story necessarily comes at the beginning. Or in a multiple-part saga, that you get all of it the first time out.

I think the arc of telling a story well is answering those questions and explaining those histories but not necessarily just by front-loading all of it. And if there's something that I've tended to wish that was done better sometimes in these movies is that I always don't want them to race through that origin and get through it and then get on to the story. Because it just seems like obligatory, like you're hustling through it.

One thing Louis and I talked about when we were sitting down to re-approach this as a script was let's grapple with what our own version of the history in this story is, but spool it out in an artful way throughout the story. I don't think we really wanted to go into a lot of detail about certain things, but I certainly wouldn't say this film is rooted in the television show at all.

ok in all fairness i was at comic-con when he said all this.. he had a hard ass time trying to say anything and he was half asleep, over all hulk was a lame presentation and they seemed to dance around questions and alway reverted back to the lame ass tv show rather then the comics... im still very worried about the movie, i personally think they shoulda just made it a sequel with a brief redone flash back.. and not mention any of the previous "HULK" events that way theres no origin (we all know it already) and theres more time to waste on the actual story

 

[TwilightPro101]

When Stan Lee sold the rights to Marvel characters to Marvel...apparently (or so the suit claims) Marvel never registered the Ghost Rider rights before they expired. Now this guy knew this and never did anything about it and even said he wasn't gonna do something unless Marvel made money off it. Now he's saying Marvel let the character rot, underused it, and did a poor job with it. The thing is Sony bought the movie rights from Marvel so he's suing Sony too. If they guy was so concerned about the character be misreprestend then why did he wait for it to make over 500 million in total character revenue before claiming such. It's a paradox. LOL He sounds as if he doesn't even care about the character and just wants money per his own quotes.

Last minute ditch effort to get some moola.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The original creator of Ghost Rider -- the flame version we all know today.

He created Johnny Blaze, he was the writer of Issue #1.

He has a pretty good case for him, since he was the creator, but it is somewhat of a paradox, as far as character and movie rights go, and who owns them, and for how long, and such.

Yeah i know who he is, and think it is right that he gets credit, but didnt Stan Lee, Mike Ploog and others have a hand in creating him as well?

 

[crazy sock]

nope,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^But did you know Stan Lee came up with name Johnny Blaze and other little details of the character as well.

 

[Advanced Dark]

The guy created the character but was a "work for hire" under Marvel after Stan Lee sold the rights to Marvel Characters. However Marvel alledgedly did not register them properly. He is suing Marvel and everyone for misusing the character, underutilizing him, etc...The funny thing is he never said a word or sued until the film opened huge at the box office. The guy may have created the character but c'mon Ghost Rider is not Spidey.

 

[crazy sock]

^But did you know Stan Lee came up with name Johnny Blaze and other little details of the character as well.

no i did not. interesting.

 

[Optimus Prime.]

I liked the first one. this next one better be awesome.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The guy created the character but was a "work for hire" under Marvel after Stan Lee sold the rights to Marvel Characters. However Marvel alledgedly did not register them properly. He is suing Marvel and everyone for misusing the character, underutilizing him, etc...The funny thing is he never said a word or sued until the film opened huge at the box office. The guy may have created the character but c'mon Ghost Rider is not Spidey.

Even so, he was a big factor in creating the character so i do think he does deserve credit. I just dont understand why this should get in the way of GR2.

no i did not. interesting.

Its on the DVD bud, i'm pretty sure Stan Lee was the one who decided he was going to ride a motorcycle and be a stunt rider as well. But he definately came up with the name Johnny Blaze, that is certain.

I liked the first one. this next one better be awesome.

I think if MSJ gets the chance, a bigger budget and more freedom, there is no reason why it shouldnt be awesome.

 

[DoomRulz]

I think if MSJ gets the chance, a bigger budget and more freedom, there is no reason why it shouldnt be awesome.

Oh God no. If MSJ is directing it, I'm going up in arms

 

[TwilightPro101]

Sounds similar to the situation that they went through with Venom and the ownership issues entitled to creation of the character.

 

[CaptainClown]

From the sounds of it they are kind of out of control in the movie department.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh God no. If MSJ is directing it, I'm going up in arms

Dude, watch DDC, MSJ can definately do dark, he was just constrined from doing so for GR. But with a sequel, he will more license to go darker.

 

[Spider–Man]

It'll be a cold day in hell before GR2 sees production!

 

[CaptainClown]

Makes me think of rulers in hell were cringing when they saw Ghost Rider
"we aren't like that THATS ALL WRONG!"

 

[Cain Estrell]

It'll be a cold day in hell before GR2 sees production!

So says the negative thinkers of the world ......

 

[DoomRulz]

So says the negative thinkers of the world ......

QFT

 

[Spider–Man]

So says the negative thinkers of the world ......

Nope, just the ones with common sense. But you be sure to call me on it if I'm wrong!

 

[Advanced Dark]

It'll be a cold day in hell before GR2 sees production!

Little do you know. t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It'll be a cold day in hell before GR2 sees production!

Care to explain that! GR made tons of money for the studio.

Little do you know. t:

Do you know something AD?

 

[Advanced Dark]

* The lawsuit needs to be settled first. The character is cool and all the guys wants is money. He doens't give a crap anymore so if he has a leg to stand on he'll just take some money and Marvel will maintain those rights and a movie will be made. Don't be so sure Nic Cage will be back though and old scripts have not been forgotten.