Ghost Rider 2 underway

[Mr. Socko]

If MSJ does the GR sequel, he'll surely come up with something better than FF2, which was the worst of the Marvel sequels. Its worse than Elektra Trinity, which isnt even something thats real.

I haven't see Silver Surfer yet but I doubt it's worse than Elektra. Thats the worst comic book film I've ever seen in theaters. I will never ever see it again.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I haven't see Silver Surfer yet but I doubt it's worse than Elektra. Thats the worst comic book film I've ever seen in theaters. I will never ever see it again.

sorry, but it is worse.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

W00t!

 

[Mr. Socko]

I love how Avi Arad jumped the gun, before the film came out talking about how a sequel is planned.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I know what you mean.I can imagine he isnt saying anything about that now.Do you notice that no one wants to be connected to this film?Flamehead isnt even around anymore.Proof that the film was a waste,like some said all along.

 

[DoomRulz]

I know what you mean.I can imagine he isnt saying anything about that now.Do you notice that no one wants to be connected to this film?Flamehead isnt even around anymore.Proof that the film was a waste,like some said all along.

Wait, what?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LMAO! Here are some quotes from MSJ:

"We're talking about it, yeah, talking about it," says Johnson of Ghost Rider 2. "I don't know what I'm going to do, to be honest. After Daredevil and this… it takes so long, these movies. I really want something different, and the pressure of the fan community is always so great. I would like to do something more comedy-based, go back to my roots like the Grumpy Old Men movies and do something with effects. I love effects; I love working with them. So I don't know about for myself, if that's in the cards for me."

"If there's a second one, I would push for Scarecrow," he says. "In fact, in my first script it was Scarecrow who was the villain, but then I heard that they were going to put him in the Batman movie.

"They are talking about and the first film did very well for them but you know I have been doing my own stuff and not writing anything at the moment. Given how well it did, I would imagine down the line that Sony will want to revisit a sequel and I’ll be happy to look at it then."


Can you all not read between the lines? Sony has obviously not asked him to come back for a sequel, nor have any plan on doing a second GR. MSJ clearly says "down the line" which pretty much means, he wouldn't mind coming back one day for another but it doesn't look like Sony has offered it to him. He also says there that he's working on other stuff. Now come on, would he be working on other stuff is GR2 was coming anytime soon? He also says there that he's getting tired of comic book movies and wants to do something else. This is not the MSJ I know of. Not too long back, MSJ was interviewed by these same guys, IGN, and said he could do comic book films for the rest of his life and never get bored of them. Just another sign that Sony doesn't want him back so he's already trying to get other work.

Bottom line: Don't expect a Ghost Rider 2, especially one directed by Mark Steven Johnson, unless it's "later down the line"...

Well actually, i read an interview in Empire, BEFORE GR came out, and MSJ said something along the same lines, as what he said in that interview, about going back to his roots.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If MSJ does the GR sequel, he'll surely come up with something better than FF2, which was the worst of the Marvel sequels. Its worse than Elektra Trinity, which isnt even something thats real.

FF2 was leaps and bounds above the first.. are you on crack?

 

[Cyrusbales]

FF2 was leaps and bounds above the first.. are you on crack?

I agree that FF2 is bad, I'd say the worst marvel film out there, and I'm not on crack

 

[Advanced Dark]

I agree that FF2 is bad, I'd say the worst marvel film out there, and I'm not on crack

Is it Meth then? LOL To say that was the worst Marvel film out there after crap like Elektra and Man-Thing and the first Fantastic Four is quite a stretch. No pun intended.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Is it Meth then? LOL To say that was the worst Marvel film out there after crap like Elektra and Man-Thing and the first Fantastic Four is quite a stretch. No pun intended.

agreed... maybe he just doesnt like the FF?

 

[Cyrusbales]

Is it Meth then? LOL To say that was the worst Marvel film out there after crap like Elektra and Man-Thing and the first Fantastic Four is quite a stretch. No pun intended.

I'd say that elektra and man-thing are better, not in terms of effects though, but I find SFX are the least important factors in film.

F4 is better than the sequel, because it has more consistency with the characters throughout and the direction is much better, as is the dialogue, avoiding the horrific cliche's and stereotypes of FF2.

But yeah, all four of the films above are truley terrible.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ F/X are of vital importance in a film like Ghost Rider. It absorbed a ****load of the budget. And that's after the original effects were not working out.

 

[Cyrusbales]

^ F/X are of vital importance in a film like Ghost Rider. It absorbed a ****load of the budget. And that's after the original effects were not working out.

FX can be pretty, but it doesn't help crappy acting, a poor narrative, shoddy direction and atrocious dialogue.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Again...I saw NOTHING wrong with the direction. The acting was comic book cheese acting, the narrative wasn't that poor, and yeah the dialogue was weak at time but look at the F'n source. It's a ghost rider comic book not war and peace.

 

[crazy sock]

just because YOU saw nothing wrong with the direction doesnt mean a lot of other ppl dont. what other comic book movie has "comic book cheese acting" like Ghost Rider did?

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin (ugh), Superman, Superman 2, Superman 3, Superman 4, Spiderman (original), Spiderman 3, etc...

Again most of your complaints have to do with the writing...not the directing. The director has a script/blueprint and follows it. Tell me what you thought was wrong with the directing...and please no more examples of bad acting or writing. We're talking directing here.

 

[Diamondhead]

They have no choice but to make a second one
Because they probably film enough materials they couldn’t use in the first movie.
(Same thing for superman returns or the Hulk)

But next time I want to see a huge Ghost rider poster on that flaming bike of his
And not a big Nicholas gage and Eva Mendez face on that movie poster
Because we sure haven’t seen a Toby McGuire and Christine Dunce face instead of Spiderman dominating that movie poster so far.
That’s because the superhero character sell the movie and not the other way around.

That’s probably why Ghost rider wasn't as successful as it was supposed to be
Because most people thought it was another one of those awkward romantic crappy movies.

 

[crazy sock]

well MSJ, the director, wrote the script. so he was following his own script/blueprint,which happens to have been poorly done.guy cant even direct, how's he supposed to write a script.

as for the bad acting. i dont rele blame the actors so much, except for Cage cause he did what he wanted with his character. but anyway, the poor acting was the result of MSJ's bad directing. if he could properly direct, then he wouldnt have allowed for the acting to be sub par. directors are supposed to have vision. theyre supposed to be able to see how they want something done. so when MSJ directs a movie with bad acting, that most likely means his vision had bad acting in mind.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I was talking about FF2 as being terrible and suchlike. Yes GR is bad, but it's better.

It's not the place, but an example of shoddy direction: when doom gains the surfer's board and looks up into the high angled camera with his arms open, your overused setereotypical "i've got the power" shot, which really does nothing but make you cringe with the inadequecies and potential for a pivitol sequence, and how it was wasted to be another 'package' shot.

Directors don't really follow blueprints, a script is one thing, what you do with it is something completely different.

 

[DoomRulz]

well MSJ, the director, wrote the script. so he was following his own script/blueprint,which happens to have been poorly done.guy cant even direct, how's he supposed to write a script.

Which is exactly why Daredevil failed. You NEVER put a fanboy in charge of directing, writing, etc... a film he wants to do. That's why they fail, b/c they create the film in their own image, and don't capture the real character.

 

[Mr. Socko]

^ Again...I saw NOTHING wrong with the direction. The acting was comic book cheese acting, the narrative wasn't that poor, and yeah the dialogue was weak at time but look at the F'n source. It's a ghost rider comic book not war and peace.

I agree it was mostly the writing, however MSJ was the damn writer! So he is still to blame.


Anyway, choosing a script is part of the direction. MSJ's terrible direction came when deciding to settle on a s***y script(that he wrote).

 

[Riding Ghost]

part of the problem too is the fact that according to the documentary they had signs up everywhere reminding them that this was a love story. Which also accounts for Cage and eva taking up most of the posters space.

I still liked the movie a lot though, I like it more everytime I watch it. Not perfect but still great imo. I think the sequel should be a little darker and difenately less cheese, but this is a comic, the same comic hero that has lots of toys for kids, the same hero that has been in cartoons(and hopefully more). Yes the sequel should be darker, but not near as dark as some of you would like.

 

[crazy sock]

the same comic hero that has lots of toys for kids, the same hero that has been in cartoons(and hopefully more). Yes the sequel should be darker, but not near as dark as some of you would like.

dude. you make it seem like GR is like spider-man or batman, where he's had toy lines forever. and hes been in three cartoons. the 90s FF cartoon and the 90s hulk cartoon and in the 90s x-men cartoon for like a second. he was in each of them once and thats all. and its not like when he was in them he was all HEY GUYS! LETS GO GET SOME ICECREAM!. so please, dont try and diminish the darkness of GR's character.

 

[DoomRulz]

part of the problem too is the fact that according to the documentary they had signs up everywhere reminding them that this was a love story. Which also accounts for Cage and eva taking up most of the posters space.

I still liked the movie a lot though, I like it more everytime I watch it. Not perfect but still great imo. I think the sequel should be a little darker and difenately less cheese, but this is a comic, the same comic hero that has lots of toys for kids, the same hero that has been in cartoons(and hopefully more). Yes the sequel should be darker, but not near as dark as some of you would like.

If Sony is serious about wanting to make a second Ghost Rider movie, they have to rate it R. I'm not even kidding. With all the demons and hell stuff, you have to rate it R so that the darkness behind the character can be fully explored without limits.

Think about it. In the comic (Ghost Rider Vol. 1 & 2), everything was black. It's hard to explain this in words, you really have to have read the comic to understand it, but at the very basic level: NO COMEDY. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. This isn't Spider-Man with some goofy teen running around jumping off buildings. It's a guy who sold his soul to the devil and he's paying the ultimate price. Not exactly comical material.