Ghost Rider: Every Appearance?

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  1. FlameHead

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    How impossible would this be to accomplish? Do you think we could do it? The Marvel Cronology website gives us a great start but there is a year or two in the middle that they miss.

    I desperatly need to fill that gap. Think you guys can help? I'm more concerned with Dan's life ranther than Blaze, but I'll get to him as well. First thing's first, ya know?

    By the way, if you haven't been there yet, check out the Marvel Chronology Project. It's great for that stuff you just didn't know.
     
  2. Kirk Langstrom

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    Thanks for the link, Flamehead.

    Yeah, it could be done, with a little time and effort....
     
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    Excellent... I hope people are willing to put in the time and effort. I'll make a list of what we know when I get home tonight. Then, we'll go from there/
     
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    Okay folks, I took a trip to
    Marvel Chronology Project website and got this list of Ghost Rider (Dan Ketch days) appearances... in order of appearance. They say there is a couple of years gap on their website and its apparant from this list.

    I've taken the liberty of converting them from code to title for easier reference.

    Ghost Rider, -1
    Marvels, 4
    Ghost Rider v2, 1-6
    Fantastic Four, 347-349
    Marvel Comics Presents, 64-71
    Ghost Rider v2, 7-9
    Thor, 439-430
    Ghost Rider v2, 10-12
    Dr. Strange Sorcerer Supreme, 28
    Moon Knight v3, 25
    Spider-Man, 6-7
    Ghost Rider v2, 13-17
    Cloak and Dagger v3, 17-18
    Quazar, 22-24
    Damage Control v3, 4
    Punisher War Journal, 29-30
    DareDevil, 294-295
    Ghost Rider v2, 18
    Marvel Comics Presents, 90-97
    Hearts of Darkness (GN)
    Ghost Rider v2, 19-20
    Spider-Man, 18, 22-23
    DeathLok, 9-10
    Ghost Rider v2, 21
    Sleepwalker, 11
    Ghost Rider v2, 22-23
    Marvel Comics Presents, 98-118
    Ghost Rider v2, 24-25
    X-Men, 8
    Ghost Rider v2, 26
    X-Men, 9
    Ghost Rider v2, 27-28
    Spirits of Vengeance, 1
    Ghost Rider v2, 29
    Morbius, 1
    Spirits of Vengeance, 2
    DarkHold, 1
    Spirits of Vengeance, 3
    Nightstalkers, 1
    Ghost Rider v2, 31-32
    Dr. Strange Sorcerer Supreme, 50
    DarkHawk, 22
    Spirits of Vengeance, 4
    Web of Spider-Man, 95
    Spirits of Vengeance, 5
    Web of Spider-Man, 96
    Spirits of Vengeance, 6
    Wolverine v2, 89

    DOUBLE EDGE: OMEGA
    DC VS. MARVEL, 1-4
    OVER THE EDGE, 4
    Ghost Rider: CrossRoads (GN)
    OVER THE EDGE, 9

    HERE IS THE GAP apparantly. The last Ghost Rider, v2 issue that we see up top is 32. The next we see is issue 70. A lot happens between there and I know it doesn't all happen in the pages of Ghost Rider.

    If you can help me name all the comics he's appeared in, we could probably put them in order and close the gap.

    Anyway, it continues after that...

    Marvel Fanfare v2, 3
    Ghost Rider v2, 85
    DareDevil, 372
    Spider-Man, 93
    ThunderBolts, 57

    So, the last GRv2 we see there is 85 and we know it ends at 93 so... is there anything missing?

    Help please...
     
  5. KnightsPast

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    Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, but I'm a big fan of GR... I have some info that might help.


    This seems to be unlikely:
    Ghost Rider v2, 22-23
    Marvel Comics Presents, 98-118
    Ghost Rider v2, 24-25

    I do not have MCP 98-118, but I am currently re-reading all of my GR v2, and the end of 23 is GR interrogating Snowblind in the hospital. The action picks up on 24 with a slight gap (so it is possible that this is broken up) but it would make sense for there to be no interruption because GR is so hot on the trail for Deathwatch. Just something I thought should be said.

    Also, I found this special with Ghost Rider and Cable. Kind of a weird combo, especially because there is no title page or placement for the writer and the artist. Really weird for marvel to do, but the date is marked as September, and the the only ads on the back and front cover are dated 1992. Also, don't forget the second Hearts of Darkness GN The Dark Design, and the last GR graphic novel (to my knowledge), Ghost Rider Crossroads. I hope this helps.
     
  6. Hunter Rider

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    Welcome aboard Knightspast:)

    Is this the Cable/GR book you mentioned?
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    or this one?

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    Which ever one it was,Was it any good?
     
  7. KnightsPast

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    Yes, I mean the first one that you posted. However, after doing a little research, it turns out that this is just a collection of MCPs. I'm not sure of what numbers exactly, but I believe it to be 90-97 (I think). So I suppose I mean both of the issues you depict. As far as being any good...it was sort of ok. I didn't care for the art, at least as far as "'ol ghostie" was concerned, and I thought that the story was just sort of strange and locating it beneath Cypress Hills Cemetary just made the place that much more cluttered with supernatural stuff going on.

    But, if you don't take my word for it, you can get it pretty cheap in that collected form. I think we can all agree that the best GRs are 1-25 (which are simply the best). I think up after 25 and until 50, the story is still alright, but noticebly going downwards due to over commercialism that marvel was really into back in those days. And after 50 the story just isn't good, except for a few issues here and there. I do like the last 5 or so issues, when we finally start learning about Noble Kale and about the time Javier Saltares comes back on board to end it. Its too bad it ended when it did, because it was actually becoming decent again. Oh well, I like Ennis, so the upcoming mini should be good, maybe it will turn into a series. Sorry, it looks like I started rambling....
     
  8. Hunter Rider

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    Actually i'm only getting into GR so some of the stuff you said didn't mean anything to me as i am learning from guys like flame in these threads and it certainly sounds like you are another excellent addition to the GR forum:)

    AS for the ennis mini,I like his Punisher work so it should be good.
    Do you have a date when it starts?
     
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    It certainly does.

    I see your point with it not being likly that the MCP run is found between issue 23 and 24 but, I do trust the Cronology people from the Marvel Chronology website. Plus, there is just no other place in that area that the MCP run can be placed. That gap you speak of is when the story has to take place. I have the run btw and it actually works well. It's nice to have my Ghost Rider run in order of appearance... though I still have a few more to go yet.

    The dates on the MCP run aren't by month because they published them twice a month. It was released bi-weekly and therefor only has the year. This is my specualation anyway...

    The Heart's of Darkness and Crossroads GN's are in the chronology there but the other is not. I don't have them yet so I can't really place them in the correct spot. Do you have any specific info for us. Perhaps we can work together and help the Marvel Chrono people out a bit...

    So, that's two that aren't listed here ... any more?

    (Note to self: The Dark Design)
     
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    It's issues 98-118 actually... and welcome to the hype, btw. I hope you visit out little Ghost Rider home here often.
     
  12. KnightsPast

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    Thanks for the welcome! Right now I don't have time to look and to post my entire collection (I will do it later), but I will try and name what I remember off the top of my head right now, out of order.

    -The last 15 or 20 GR v1.
    -GR -1
    -The Storms 3 part mini, kinda messed up the already convoluted story even more
    -GR v.2 fully collected (1-93)
    -GR v2 Annuals 1 and 2
    -The complete Siege of Darkness (it crossed over with the various Midnight Sons titles, Dr. Strange, MCP, stuff like that)
    -That Cable special I mentioned earlier
    -The web of spider man that fits in with the Spirits of Venom storyline
    -complete spirits of vengeance (1-23)
    -complete Midnight Sons Unlimited (1-9). The most difficult to place in the timeline, I think I finally figured out where 1 and 2 could go, 4 is part of the Siege of Darkness, and Ghost Rider doesn't even appear in 8.
    -Hearts of Darkness
    -Dark Design
    -Ghost Rider: Crossroads

    I post this so if anyone has questions regarding certain issues, I hope I can help, and so you know what I basically have regarding the timeline. Plus, I am at the point where I don't have every single GR Appearance, but I have everything to make the regular storyline flow smoothly. It's hard for me to be modest about it, but I am proud of it (thank you eBay!!)
     
  13. KnightsPast

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    oh yeah, and i also have the fully collected blaze 4 issue mini and the ongoing that lasted for 12 issues.
     
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    Awesome collection you have there. Although my collection is very similar, you have a few issues that I don't have. That makes me jealous! hehe.

    Most of the ones that you've listed are already in the timeline that I've posted (which only deals with the 2nd Ghost Rider, btw). It's a Chronological listed appearance list featuring the Dan Ketch/Noble Kale hero. Blaze has his own timeline, which I haven't even begun to think about it.

    I do have a question about the Storms issues that you're talking about? What is that exactly? Is that the, Before the Fantastic Four mini?...
     
  15. KnightsPast

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    Yes, this is Before the Fantastic 4: The Storms. It was a three issue mini that was related to the other Before the 4 stories (they did one for Ben Grimm and Reed Richards). In it, Johnny and Susanne are just kids, and their friends dad was spontaneously combusted while researching a medallion that he had, the Medallion of Z (I wonder what the Z could stand for...). Some stuff happens involving being chased by Dracula's minions and eventually 'Z' makes an appearance. The uncle of their friend is mixed in it all because he is an archealogist Indiana Jones rip off sort of guy, and he becomes the temporary host for Z. It was really dumb because it sort of kinda doesn't work out with GR -1 issue, because the wrecked car that became Z's motorcycle is dumped in Cypress Hills Cemetary, and because it really implies that Noble Kale is all bs. The way I look at it is that if The Storms is taken as true continuity, then the medallion could bring forth Zarathos or Noble Kale because Zarathos was attached to the medallion of power. Vengeance Unbound deals with it well, and this is sort of where I'm getting it from. I don't know anymore, the GR timeline just makes my head hurt......
     
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    Yeah... I understnad that. It's pretty detailed and drawn out involving way too many beings.

    Zarathos wasn't bound to the medallion though. Zarathos only came into the picture because of Mephisto who used him as a pawn in his game with Blaze. Ghost Rider 1, 2 and Vengeance are the medallion guys.

    So, is Ghost Rider -1 the story told in the Storms story? Or does the GR-1 fall after that?
     
  17. KnightsPast

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    Well, 'bound' isn't exactly what I meant. Just sort of related to it. Vengeance Unbound has this to say:

    "Though not stated, it can be surmised that the spirit of Zarathos, while not in use by Mephisto, could be called forth due to his former imprisonment in the Medallion of Power"

    It probably would have been much easier if Mackie had just made GR 2 Zarathos, or had wrapped up the real story before he left the title. I think if we can figure out GR's real story and continuity then we could figure out anybody's...
     
  18. KnightsPast

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    Oh, by the way, anyone see the new look of Vengeance Unbound? Spiffy!!
     
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    Spiffy indeed. That site has a lot of information but it's not updated as much as MM's site; the true source of for Ghost Rider stuff! (Nice plug eh double M...)

    That former imprissonment they speak of. Is that something referring to his time trapped inside Blaze's body or something before that even happened. What I mean is was Mephisto able to bond Zarathos to Blaze because he was previously trapped in the Medallion or are they referring to his time in Blaze's body being trapped in the medallion.
     
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    Okay, I spent the last many hours trying to add to this list and place them in order. It's much more difficult that one would think, by the way. Ghost Rider is all over the place, especially during this time period... Crazy.

    Anyway, in post number 4 of this thread, I posted what the Marvel Chronology website had for Ghost Rider so far but, as you all must know, they are missing quite a few entries. I've marked the section blue in post number 4 that I'm updating here now.

    This is not official. This is the best I can do right now. I hope we can discuss this and hopefully work it all all out perfectly. Here goes.

    Ghost Rider v2, 27-28
    Spirits of Vengeance, 1
    Ghost Rider v2, 29
    Morbius, 1
    Spirits of Vengeance, 2 (First half)
    Ghost Rider v2, 30
    Marvel Comics Presents 123-130
    Spirits of Vengeance, 2 (2nd Half)
    DarkHold, 1
    Spirits of Vengeance, 3
    Nightstalkers, 1
    Ghost Rider v2, 31-32
    DarkHawk, 22 (*)
    Ghost Rider v2, 33
    DarkHold, 5
    Dr. Strange Sorcerer Supreme, 50
    Ghost Rider v2, 34-36
    Nightstalkers, 7
    Ghost Rider v2, 37-38
    Spirits of Vengeance, 4
    Web of Spider-Man, 95
    Spirits of Vengeance, 5
    Web of Spider-Man, 96
    Spirits of Vengeance, 6-11
    Ghost Rider v2, 39
    Spirits of Vengeance, 12
    Nightstalkers 10
    Ghost Rider v2, 40
    Darkhold, 11
    Morbius, 12
    Spirits of Vengeance, 13
    Ghost Rider v2, 41
    Spirits of Vengeance, 14
    Ghost Rider v2, 42
    Spirits of Vengeance, 15
    Ghost Rider v2, 43
    Spirits of Vengeance, 16
    Morbius, 15
    Nightstalkers #14
    Ghost Rider (3rd series) #44
    Marvel Comics Presents #143
    Darkhold: Pages From the Book of Sins #15
    Morbius, The Living Vampire #16
    Marvel Comics Presents #144
    Doctor Strange, Sorceror Supreme #60
    Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance #17
    Nightstalkers #15
    Ghost Rider (3rd series) #45
    Marvel Comics Presents #145
    Darkhold: Pages From the Book of Sins #16
    Morbius, The Living Vampire #17
    Marvel Comics Presents #146
    Doctor Strange, Sorceror Supreme #61
    Ghost Rider/Blaze: Spirits of Vengeance #18
    Midnight Sons Unlimited #4
    Ghost Rider v2, 46 (is not in issue 47, 48 but imp story w/ vengeance)
    Ghost Rider v2, 49 -57
    Wolverine, 89
    Ghost Rider v2, 58

    Again, this is complete only of what issues I have. The ones I do not are not added here yet.

    Also there are a few others that I have which I just don't know where to add at all...

    Ghost Rider Annual 1 and 2
    Captain America/Ghost Rider: Fear
    Devils Reign: Part 2 and 3 (Cyblade 2, Balliztic 3)
    Midnight Son's Ulimited, 2
    Marvel Comics Presents, 131-136 (Ghost Rider/Cage)
    Marvel Comics Presents, 137-142 (Ghost Rider)

    Can you help?
     
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    Just poppin' this to the top to the list. Perhaps it'll catch somebody's eye...
     
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    Wanted to pop this back up. There are a few new people hangin around the Ghost Rider section these days. Perhaps you can give me a hand puttin' these in order. I'm mainly concerned with the following...

    Ghost Rider Annual 1 and 2
    Captain America/Ghost Rider: Fear
    Devils Reign: Part 2 and 3 (Cyblade 2, Balliztic 3)
    Midnight Son's Ulimited, 2
    Marvel Comics Presents, 131-136 (Ghost Rider/Cage)
    Marvel Comics Presents, 137-142 (Ghost Rider)

    Can you help?
     
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    Okay, so I've compiled a list of all the appearances I can find. Is there anything out there that I'm missing?

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    Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze
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    Avengers (1963-1996 1st Series) 142, 143, 151, 214
    *** Blaze: Legacy of Blood (1993) 1-4
    Captain America (1968-1996 1st Series) 191
    Champions (1975 Marvel) 1-17
    Conan the Barbarian (1970-93) 49
    Daredevil (1964-1998 1st Series) 127, 138
    Defenders (1972-1986 1st Series) 96
    Fantastic Four (1961-96 1st Series) 236
    Human Fly (1977 Marvel) 2
    Incredible Hulk (1962-1999 1st Series) 209
    Iron Man (1968-96) Annual 4
    Marvel Premiere (1972) 28
    Marvel Spotlight (1971-77 1st Series) 5-12, 22
    Marvel Team-Up (1972-85 1st Series) 15, 58, 91
    Marvel Two-In-One (1974) 8, 80
    Team America (1982) 11
    Thing (1983) 2
    Thor (1966-96 1st Series) 229
    Tomb of Dracula (1972-79 1st Series) 26, 29
    What If (1977-84 1st Series) 17, 28
    What If (1989-1998 2nd Series) 20

    Ghost Rider/Dan Ketch
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    Cloak and Dagger (1988-91 Marvel 3rd Series) 17, 18
    Daredevil (1964-1998 1st Series) 295, 372
    Darkhawk (1991) 22
    Darkhold (1992) 5
    Deathlok (1991-1994 1st Series) 9, 10
    Doctor Strange (1988-1996 3rd Series) 28, 50
    Double Edge Omega (1995) 1
    Fantastic Four (1961-96 1st Series) 347-349, 374
    Ghost Rider (1990) Minus 1
    Ghost Rider and the Midnight Sons Magazine (1993) 1
    Ghost Rider Captain America Fear (1992) 1
    Ghost Rider Crossroads (1995)
    Ghost Rider Wolverine Punisher Dark Design (1994)
    Ghost Rider Wolverine Punisher Hearts of Darkness (1991)
    Gun Runner (1993) 2
    Marc Spector Moon Knight (1989) 25
    Marvel Comics Presents (1988-1995) 64-71, 90-146
    Marvel Fanfare (1996-97 2nd Series) 3
    Marvel Holiday Special 1991
    Midnight Sons Unlimited (1993) 1-3, 7
    Morbius the Living Vampire (1992) 1, 12, 15, 16,
    Nightstalkers (1992) 7
    Over the Edge (1995) 4, 9
    Punisher War Journal (1988) 29, 30, 57, 58
    Quasar (1989) 22-24
    Shadow Riders (1993) 2
    Sleepwalker (1991) 11
    Spectacular Spider-Man (1976-1998 1st Series) 17, 18
    Spider-Man (1990) 6, 7, 18, 22, 23, 93
    Supernaturals (1998) 1
    Thor (1966-96 1st Series) 429, 430
    Venom Sign of the Boss (1997) 1, 2
    Web of Spider-Man (1985) 95, 96
    Werewolf by Night (1998/02-07 2nd Series) 6
    What If (1989-1998 2nd Series) 45, 78, 95
    Ghost Rider (2001) Wizard 1/2
    Wolverine (1988 1st Series) 89
    Wolverine and Ghost Rider in Acts of Vengeance (1993) 1
    X-Men (1991- ) 8, 9

    GR 2099
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    2099 AD (1995)
    2099 Genesis (1996) 1

    Alternate Universe
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    Devil's Reign (1997) 2, 3
    Wolverine (1988 1st Series) 148
    Paradise X (2002) 9
    Marvel Mangaverse Ghost Riders (2002) 1
    Professor Xavier and the X-Men (1995) 9
    Guardians of the Galaxy (1990) 13, 35, 36

    Specials
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    Marvel Age (1983) 87
    Marvel Comics Index (1976) 9A
    Comics Scene Yearbook (1992) 1
    Ghost Rider Poster Magazine (1992)
    Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Master Edition 3
    Comic Book Artist (1998 1st Series) 13

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    FH, here are where the issues on this list would fall chronologically.

    Ghost Rider # 41 (1st half)
    Ghost Rider Annual # 1
    Ghost Rider # 41 (2nd half)

    Ghost Rider # 52
    Ghost Rider Annual # 2
    Ghost Rider # 53

    Ghost Rider # 32
    Midnight Sons Unlimited # 1
    Captain America/Ghost Rider: Fear
    Marvel Comics Presents # 119-122
    Ghost Rider # 33

    Ghost Rider # 85
    Devils Reign: Part 2 and 3 (Cyblade 2, Ballistic 3)
    Ghost Rider # 86

    Ghost Rider # 36
    Midnight Son's Unlimited # 2
    Nightstalkers # 7
    Ghost Rider # 37

    Ghost Rider # 38
    Terror, Inc. # 13
    Marvel Comics Presents, 131-136 (Ghost Rider/Cage)
    Marvel Comics Presents, 137-142 (Ghost Rider)

    Spirits of Vengeance # 4

    Ghost Rider # 57
    Ghost Rider/Wolverine/Punisher: The Dark Design
    Ghost Rider # 58
     
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    Awesome! I'll defintaly put those in place as you see it.

    If MCP ever updates the character in a different way, we'll have to sit down and analyse it. I've already changed things from how they list it because I think it reads better.

    Thanks for the information.
     

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