Daredevil Give me homework

Keep in mind the gimmicks worked. Daredevil's new suit, bringing in everyone and his cousin, etc. increased sales. But even his followup story (Tree of Knowledge), while terrible, is at least coherent.
 
The Clone Saga also increased sales. It was still terrible.

Tom DeFalco spent six years ruining the Fantastic Four and sales weren't all that great.

The Crossing was also terrible and it bankrupted Marvel as a result.

Quality doesn't automatically translate to sales.
 
Trust me, I agree. I've said before that D.G. Chichester helps sum up what was wrong with the 90s. I will say it's a bit of a shame. Karl Kesel's run was a bit too silver age, although really only the dog sidekick crossed the line (when Gene Colan drops off a project because it's too silver age, it's too silver age). Joe Kelly followed it with OK, not great stories, that combined a lighter silver age tone with modern sensibilities and sometimes serious themes and ideas. His last issue, which featured Mr. Fear and Matt defending Karen in court is one of my favorites (it also shows Kevin Smith had no original ideas since he essentially copied the exact same idea shortly after).
 
THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR
If you're looking for an accessible account of Daredevil's origin, this is your best bet. This has young Matt Murdock being blinded, his training under Stick, the tragedy of Battlin' Jack Murdock, the early doomed romance with Elektra, all the components that would see the making of Daredevil... all with lovely John Romita Jr artwork.

DAREDEVIL: YELLOW
You could go back to the very early Stan Lee/Bill Everett stuff to read Daredevil's earliest adventures, or you could read this retelling of some of Daredevil's earliest battles with the likes of Electro, Purple Man and The Owl as done by the Long Halloween team of Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale.

DAREDEVIL BY FRANK MILLER & KLAUS JANSON
This is the run that really gave birth to the modern Daredevil as he's widely known today. The Kingpin, Bullseye and Elektra are all enduring parts of the Daredevil canon thanks to this run. A bit dated in places? Maybe. But it's comics history, and much of it holds up very well.

BORN AGAIN
In my opinion, the greatest Daredevil story ever, if not the greatest Marvel comic ever. Created by the Batman: Year One team of Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli, it tells the story of The Kingpin discovering Daredevil's secret identity and systematically destroying Matt Murdock's life. The Kingpin has never been more terrifying or evil, and Daredevil has never been more heroic in how he rises up from the very depths of despair.

GUARDIAN DEVIL
It's been a long time since I've read this, so I don't know how it holds up, but Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada's franchise-reviving relaunch got a lot of buzz at the time. Plus, it features some major developments that have gone on to inform Matt Murdock's character development for years to come.


DAREDEVIL BY BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS & ALEX MALEEV
If you're looking for something that will most closely capture the tone of the Netflix show, this run could be your best port of call, since the whole thing reads like a gritty HBO crime drama. The whole run deals with Daredevil's identity being publicly exposed in a tabloid newspaper, and the ramifications of that. Bendis has never been better, and Maleev oozes style. This has been specifically cited by the producers of the show as a stylistic influence, and Charlie Cox calls the White Tiger storyline contained within it his favourite single Daredevil story.

DAREDEVIL BY ED BRUBAKER & MICHAEL LARK
It very much follows in a similar vein to the crime drama stylings of the Bendis/Maleev run, perhaps with a heavier focus on The Hand and the ninja aspects of the character. But the series continued to be really good under Brubaker's pen, with Matt Murdock arguably being put even more mercilessly through the wringer.

DAREDEVIL BY MARK WAID & CHRIS SAMNEE
The current run on the book. Stylistically, it's a departure from much of the darker, grittier content that has grown synonymous with Daredevil, but it works. It feels refreshing, fun. And that doesn't come at the expense of depth and characterisation, quite the opposite. This, more than any other run, made me LIKE Matt Murdock, and really care about him as a character. Plus, his powers have never looked cooler than when Chris Samnee, Paulo Rivera, Marcos Martin and co are visualising them. Highly recommended.

YES! All of those.

I really enjoyed the Guardian Devil motion comic DVD as well. Probably the best one of those that I've ever watched...

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So it sounds like Mark Waid's run is ending which sucks. Maybe they want to make it grittier again to fit in with the show?
 
So it sounds like Mark Waid's run is ending which sucks. Maybe they want to make it grittier again to fit in with the show?

Maybe Mark Waid wrote the series for a good long time and he's ready to move on? The guy wrote about 50 issues. Not everyone wants to do what Chris Claremont did on X-Men, Peter David did on Hulk and Ed Brubaker did on Captain America.
 
Maybe Mark Waid wrote the series for a good long time and he's ready to move on? The guy wrote about 50 issues. Not everyone wants to do what Chris Claremont did on X-Men, Peter David did on Hulk and Ed Brubaker did on Captain America.

Yeah I'm not saying he was forced out, I'm just wondering if they might decide to go in a different direction now that they have the opportunity to bring in a new team. It's not like they don't have a history in changing things to be more like certain adaptations.
 
It'll be interesting to see if Waid throws Daredevil's status quo upside down like the past several writers have done on the way out, it's become something of a tradition. Perhaps we'll see Matt Murdock become Mayor like that flash-forward issue Waid wrote teased would happen?
 
Karl Kesel's run was a bit too silver age, although really only the dog sidekick crossed the line (when Gene Colan drops off a project because it's too silver age, it's too silver age).
As many highly-regarded Daredevil runs as there are, Kesel's all-too-brief time on the title is probably still my favorite. It's overlooked by most and underrated by nearly everyone else, but I love it more each time I come back to it. Nothing deep, obviously, but like you say it's straight superhero antics featuring Daredevil in a far more contemporary setting than the Silver Age material it harkens back to.

Plus, it features Karen Page in a very favorable light, and I loved Karen Page. Looking back at it now, it was really her last good hurrah before... well, you know, so that might play a factor into it for me, too. I'm actually fully prepared for the Netflix series to pull at my nostalgia strings with Karen, and I honestly can't wait for that.
 
I liked his Karen Page stuff a lot (I thought Ann Nocenti did a good job with her as well and he kind of followed in those footsteps, but much lighter). One nice thing is that Joe Kelly followed Karl Kesel without missing much of a beat. The two really feel like a continuation where the stories get darker and more serious, but without a radical overhaul.

Although I assume you aren't going to defend the dog, right?
 
Although I assume you aren't going to defend the dog, right?
Well, it had a pretty clever name (Deuce). :p

But yeah, Kelly's run was a nice follow-up, particularly Karen's trial. I think I just have a soft-spot for those late '90s issues in general, though, because that was when I really started to find my stride in serious comic book collecting, which in effect began with Daredevil. But I still love those Kesel issues the most.
 
I think Kelly's single issue (double size) trial of Karen Page is everything Guardian Devil should have been but wasn't (in eight issues too). People complain about it ripping off Born Again. I think it was an intentional homage to that, but the fact that it was inferior was part of the point. However, Karen's trial with Mr. Fear as the bad guy expertly captured the same things that Kevin Smith tried to do only a few years later. Seriously, it's a great comic.

Granted, the buildup is interesting because Daredevil was less popular, which means those comics retained some of their value. For the most part, it's fine. But I had to pay seven dollars for a mediocre issue because it happened to have a Ghost Rider crossover (so I guess all the Ghost Rider fans have to buy it too).
 
Don't get me started on Kevin Smith. Ugh. I've maintained for a long time now that Bendis saved "Guardian Devil" from being the next "Fall from Grace." People look back on it glowingly now because of what Bendis made of it. He took lemons and made some very good lemonade. But the story itself is terrible. Obviously nothing more than a mediocre writer using every cliche in the book to try and leave his "mark" on the character.

Plus, he
killed Karen Page.
And I'll never forgive him for that. Ever.
 
I have a Daredevil origin where Battlin' Jack doesn't die until Matt's in Law School - is that not 616 canon?
 
^ Yes and no. There's clearly two different versions. There's the original one where he didn't die until High School and then there's the one from Man Without Fear. While Man Without Fear was ambiguous on whether it's part of 616 canon, Bendis has followed Miller (while Brubaker followed Stan Lee). My personal preference is to split the difference and make it right when he's graduated from High School (because, any younger and you have to ask who raised him).

Don't get me started on Kevin Smith. Ugh. I've maintained for a long time now that Bendis saved "Guardian Devil" from being the next "Fall from Grace." People look back on it glowingly now because of what Bendis made of it. He took lemons and made some very good lemonade. But the story itself is terrible. Obviously nothing more than a mediocre writer using every cliche in the book to try and leave his "mark" on the character.

Plus, he
killed Karen Page.
And I'll never forgive him for that. Ever.

Like it or not, though, Guardian Devil saved Daredevil. Having Kevin Smith added gravitas. Sales skyrocketed. In fact, they were the highest sales numbers of all of Volume 2.
 
It's been a while since I've read those early issues, but I'm pretty sure Matt was attending Columbia when his father died, because Foggy went to the fight with him, and he didn't meet Foggy until law school. Miller changed it to early teens for The Man Without Fear, but I disregard a lot of TMWF because it was originally written as a movie treatment.

It is a little ambiguous nowadays, though, you're right.
 
Technically, he was attending State University. It also was just college where he studied "law" because it's clear Stan Lee didn't understand you have to complete four years of undergraduate before attending Law School for three years to get your Juris Doctorate.

The Man Without Fear changed it so he attended Columbia University undergraduate and then Harvard Law. Since then, I think the trend is to go with Columbia undergraduate and Columbia law.

I've posted this link a ton of times but it should sum everything up.
 
Like I said, I really don't take much of what happens in The Man Without Fear as canon. Miller even contradicts his own works in a few spots, which makes sense because he didn't originally write it as a comic book story.

To that point, in Elektra's first appearance I'm pretty sure Matt's father is indeed still alive when we're shown Matt and Elektra's initial meeting, which was at Columbia. So he was at least 18. And again, you also have numerous retellings of the origin featuring Foggy attending Jack's fight alongside Matt, including the McKenzie penned issue #164 (four issues before Elektra's debut issue), which explicitly recounts Matt nearing the end of his higher education at the time of his father's execution.

So, me personally, I assume he was ~18-22. But I'm not saying you're wrong, nor would I call that age definitive by any means, either. There's enough contradictions out there, though, to leave it up to individual interpretation, I think.
 
Oh, and one quick side-note on "Guardian Devil." The one positive thing I will say about it is that I love the art. I know Quesada's style is far from everyone's cup of tea, but as a child of the late '80s and mid-90s, I personally love it. There's some iconic Daredevil imagery to be found in those issues, in my opinion, particularly the cover to #1.
 
You may not take The Man Without Fear as canon (and I certainly ignore it in parts), but I would hope you take Brian Michael Bendis's work as canon and he incorporates many elements of that story. Before him, others did the same (with the prostitute sub-plot).
 
You may not take The Man Without Fear as canon (and I certainly ignore it in parts), but I would hope you take Brian Michael Bendis's work as canon and he incorporates many elements of that story. Before him, others did the same (with the prostitute sub-plot).
Eh. Bendis is hardly a steward of continuity. And even if he were, I've never been much of a stickler for it, myself. I'm one of those loose interpreters, where the story is what matters most to me, not every little facet of the character perfectly lining up in every outing.
 

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