Goku VS. Goku

[buutenks]

You're ONCE AGAIN ignoring my key point. It's like you're intentionally ignoring it because you have no way of countering it. I said.... and i repeat.... GOKU DID ALL THAT, SURVIVED ALL THAT, AND ACCOMPLISHED ALL OF THAT... are you ready for this.... AT LIMITED POWER . Here, how about I give you the link again since you can't seem to understand MY words.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/gaia/redi...m/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeondogqql.jpg

You see? Limited power and not just a normal limit... a limit put on by GOD HIMSELF.

Actually, you're the fanboy. I've yet to see you retort Seiten Taisen having a greater energy than that of a spirit bomb. You also ignore the part when I said that Seiten Taisen can erase a ki blast. You seem to have nothing but "Gohan did this, Cell did that, Frieza survived this" At least with me, I'm using the actual character in question, not somebody else.

Dude I told you what kid Goku survived,you can't even prove if Seiten Goku can survive a blast from Goku and erasing a weak blast,did he ever erase a moon busting kameha?
But whatever you think whatever you want,I'm not arguing because there is no point in arguing,we wont agree.

 

[Keollyn]

Dude I told you what kid Goku survived,you can't even prove if Seiten Goku can survive a blast from Goku and erasing a weak blast,did he ever erase a moon busting kameha?
But whatever you think whatever you want,I'm not arguing because there is no point in arguing,we wont agree.

Oh. My. God. I didn't think you was that impaired. Are you seriously having a hard time following what I'm saying? I said AT LIMITED POWER. Damn. I seriously can't believe you missed that. I even posted a link. The moment you can post where they said Kid Goku did ALL OF HIS FEATS AT LIMITED POWER, than I'll concede. I don't have a problem agreeing... at least not as much as you have with comprehension.

He erased a demon summoning. Do you know what a it takes to banish a summoned demon? One, you have to be THE ACTUAL PERSON who summoned the demon, or the demon itself has to withdraw himself. The fact that he went and erased something that wasn't OF HIS OWN POWER is proof enough that taking a ki blast and literally removing it from his sight.... especially one of less power than himself... can be done easily. Because if a demon called from the pits of the underworld... something not of this plane... can be erased, it's pretty damn certain that a ki blast.... something born from this plane.... would meet the same fate.

And you know what, it's not even the fact that he did it to a demon summoning. You're failing to remember that even in DB/Z/GT, someone of greater energy CANNOT be inflicted by something of lesser energy. Kid Goku DOES NOT HAVE Seiten Taisen's level of energy.

 

[buutenks]

Oh. My. God. I didn't think you was that impaired. Are you seriously having a hard time following what I'm saying? I said AT LIMITED POWER. Damn. I seriously can't believe you missed that. I even posted a link. The moment you can post where they said Kid Goku did ALL OF HIS FEATS AT LIMITED POWER, than I'll concede. I don't have a problem agreeing... at least not as much as you have with comprehension.

He erased a demon summoning. Do you know what a it takes to banish a summoned demon? One, you have to be THE ACTUAL PERSON who summoned the demon, or the demon itself has to withdraw himself. The fact that he went and erased something that wasn't OF HIS OWN POWER is proof enough that taking a ki blast and literally removing it from his sight.... especially one of less power than himself... can be done easily. Because if a demon called from the pits of the underworld... something not of this plane... can be erased, it's pretty damn certain that a ki blast.... something born from this plane.... would meet the same fate.

And you know what, it's not even the fact that he did it to a demon summoning. You're failing to remember that even in DB/Z/GT, someone of greater energy CANNOT be inflicted by something of lesser energy. Kid Goku DOES NOT HAVE Seiten Taisen's level of energy.

I said that I wont post here anymore,but I guess I will.

Do you have any feats thta puts him above Kid Goku?No only the demon summoning which I don't care because that doesn't prove anything.

I want feats lifting feats,punching feats and all that.

Being able to erase a weak atatck isn't impressive.
Stop being a fanboy,shw those feats to who you want and ask who's stronger,Goku at the end of db or that guy,and they'll say Goku at the end of db.

Do you know why?Because Goku has done more impressive feats.

Mukuro cut throguh reality,yet she stands no chance agains ssj Goku.
Or kaio-ken Goku.
So show feats.

 

[buutenks]

What feats does Seiten Goku have?

 

[Warhammer]

Who the **** cares about Goku vs. Goku?
Goku always wins in this forum.

 

[Sloth7d]

Voice from the brady bunch:Goku! Goku! Goku!

 

[Keollyn]

I said that I wont post here anymore,but I guess I will.

Do you have any feats thta puts him above Kid Goku?No only the demon summoning which I don't care because that doesn't prove anything.

I want feats lifting feats,punching feats and all that.

Being able to erase a weak atatck isn't impressive.
Stop being a fanboy,shw those feats to who you want and ask who's stronger,Goku at the end of db or that guy,and they'll say Goku at the end of db.

Do you know why?Because Goku has done more impressive feats.

Mukuro cut throguh reality,yet she stands no chance agains ssj Goku.
Or kaio-ken Goku.
So show feats.

And how do you suddenly envision this demon summoning as being weak? Did you actually read the manga? But anyway, I guess I should inform you a bit. It wouldn't hurt to do so.

The demon summoning was brought about by the son of Gyuu-mao... a demon that was so strong that only the War God was able to stop him from destroying the world. It goes without saying that he's slightly more powerful than his father when he's serious. And once again, a demon summoning is a demon being summoned from the depths of the Makai... what makes you think anything in the Makai is weak?

And we keep going back and forth about Kid Goku feat being more impressive and I STILL don't get a response from you when I ask this:

"Has Kid Goku done his feats at limited power?"

You seem to have a hard time answering this question.

I could care less if Muruko could shatter stars.... this isn't about him. This is about Sai Goku and Son Goku. You've not yet told me if Goku's ki is higher than Sai Goku... who's ki is the very essense of the Tenkai and Gaia for centuries.

 

[buutenks]

And how do you suddenly envision this demon summoning as being weak? Did you actually read the manga? But anyway, I guess I should inform you a bit. It wouldn't hurt to do so.

The demon summoning was brought about by the son of Gyuu-mao... a demon that was so strong that only the War God was able to stop him from destroying the world. It goes without saying that he's slightly more powerful than his father when he's serious. And once again, a demon summoning is a demon being summoned from the depths of the Makai... what makes you think anything in the Makai is weak?

And we keep going back and forth about Kid Goku feat being more impressive and I STILL don't get a response from you when I ask this:

"Has Kid Goku done his feats at limited power?"

You seem to have a hard time answering this question.

I could care less if Muruko could shatter stars.... this isn't about him. This is about Sai Goku and Son Goku. You've not yet told me if Goku's ki is higher than Sai Goku... who's ki is the very essense of the Tenkai and Gaia for centuries.

Mukuro is she not a he if you didn't knew and I don't really care now who's stronger.

 

[Keollyn]

Mainly because you know it isn't Kakarotto who's the stronger one, amirite?

 

[Jplaya2023]

. Son Goku of Saiyuki?

who is this?????????//

 

[buutenks]

Mainly because you know it isn't Kakarotto who's the stronger one, amirite?

Well you did say that Seiten Goku has the power to create a haven and earth,but still can he hit Goku?does he even have strong punches?Is he even fast enough to touch Goku?Doers he have atatcks that can hurt Goku?

And please don't say that he has the power to create havean and earth because that doesn't tell me how durable he is,how strong and how fast he is.
So show mw a durability feat,strength feat and speed feat.

This is for his form that you said that he doesn't use it only for plot devices,so what feats does he have.

If his feats don't put him above Goku,then he isn't defeating him.
For e.g. if he never destroyed a mountain with his punch then he isn't hurting Goku and if he doesn't have any speed then he isn't hitting GOku and if he doesn't have the durability to survive planet destroying attacks then he isn't surviving one from Goku,so if he can't do this,then he loses to Goku at the end of db.

 

[Keollyn]

who is this?????????//

 

[Keollyn]

Well you did say that Seiten Goku has the power to create a haven and earth,but still can he hit Goku?does he even have strong punches?Is he even fast enough to touch Goku?Doers he have atatcks that can hurt Goku?

And please don't say that he has the power to create havean and earth because that doesn't tell me how durable he is,how strong and how fast he is.
So show mw a durability feat,strength feat and speed feat.

This is for his form that you said that he doesn't use it only for plot devices,so what feats does he have.

If his feats don't put him above Goku,then he isn't defeating him.
For e.g. if he never destroyed a mountain with his punch then he isn't hurting Goku and if he doesn't have any speed then he isn't hitting GOku and if he doesn't have the durability to survive planet destroying attacks then he isn't surviving one from Goku,so if he can't do this,then he loses to Goku at the end of db.

There you go again. All I keep hearing is "His feats. His feats" but in the end, you're asking for things NOT presented in that series. But what I can give you STILL says that Goku is stronger than Kakarotto.

And thus you see why I said it's hard to go off of feats for Seiten Taisen. He's only used at key points in the story, and he's so immensly powerful that he's not used regularly... But when he does, ANYONE he fights are like the Z fighters when they first encounter Vegeta and Nappa.... completely and utterly outclassed. So how will a guy who is this powerful give you dramatic feats if the people he fights are nothing more than ants? That's why I say what he HAS done. But it's not what he has done, but what he IS that establishes his strength. And that is a being who's so immensly powerful that even God is baffled.

He doesn't need to punch a mountain... he's happy killing unkillables with his bare hands instead. His speed I already told you, but I doubt he can't tag Kakarotto. And once again, Seiten Taisen is UNKILLABLE. And Kakarotto would not destroy a planet to defeat Seiten Taisen. And besides, Seiten Taisen's energy > Planet. Try again. But now, please answer me this?

What does Kakarotto do when he finds his ki blast ineffective? I mean, this so called "destroying a planet" from Kakarotto would seem pretty damn inneffective being that Seiten Taisen's energy is superior to a kameha blast. Where are they at in power? At the most, a little over planet busting? Far to little energy for Seiten Taisen.

What does he do when Seiten Taisen, a being who can go over the threshold of immortality, gets his hands on him? Last I check, Kakarotto isn't immortal and he can have all the defense he wants... if he isn't immortal (which would still be pretty useless..) he's not surviving. His only benefit in this fight is his speed.

 

[buutenks]

There you go again. All I keep hearing is "His feats. His feats" but in the end, you're asking for things NOT presented in that series. But what I can give you STILL says that Goku is stronger than Kakarotto.

And thus you see why I said it's hard to go off of feats for Seiten Taisen. He's only used at key points in the story, and he's so immensly powerful that he's not used regularly... But when he does, ANYONE he fights are like the Z fighters when they first encounter Vegeta and Nappa.... completely and utterly outclassed. So how will a guy who is this powerful give you dramatic feats if the people he fights are nothing more than ants? That's why I say what he HAS done. But it's not what he has done, but what he IS that establishes his strength. And that is a being who's so immensly powerful that even God is baffled.

He doesn't need to punch a mountain... he's happy killing unkillables with his bare hands instead. His speed I already told you, but I doubt he can't tag Kakarotto. And once again, Seiten Taisen is UNKILLABLE. And Kakarotto would not destroy a planet to defeat Seiten Taisen. And besides, Seiten Taisen's energy > Planet. Try again. But now, please answer me this?

What does Kakarotto do when he finds his ki blast ineffective? I mean, this so called "destroying a planet" from Kakarotto would seem pretty damn inneffective being that Seiten Taisen's energy is superior to a kameha blast. Where are they at in power? At the most, a little over planet busting? Far to little energy for Seiten Taisen.

What does he do when Seiten Taisen, a being who can go over the threshold of immortality, gets his hands on him? Last I check, Kakarotto isn't immortal and he can have all the defense he wants... if he isn't immortal (which would still be pretty useless..) he's not surviving. His only benefit in this fight is his speed.

Keollyn all you do is say that Seiten Goku is that powerful and that powerful,but if you don't have any feas to prove that he is stronger then Goku then he isn't.

All I hear is that he outclasses other characters.

That just tells us thta he's stronger then the other characters,it doesn't mean that he can hang with L-sama.

ssj2 Gohan outclassed Cell,does it mean that he can beat any character?No.

So show me some feats if you want me to believe that he can beat even Goku at the end of db because from what you said I can't say that he's stronger.

And do you know that an unkillable can't die?if he killed them why do you call those guys unkillables?

And how strong are those unkillables?

If you didn't knew,you need feats to prove that a character is stronger.All I hear from you is that Seiten Goku does that and that and that and,which doesn't mean anything.
So untill you show me some feats,I still think that Goku at the end of db could beat the crapt out of him.

 

[Jplaya2023]

LMAO! is this thread a joke?

 

[buutenks]

And keollyn don't come with the "he killed unkillables and all that" becasue if those guys would really be unkillable then they wouldn't have been killed.

Just ecause you want for Seiten Goku to defeat dbz Goku doesn't mean that we don't need to see feats.

You said it your self that he doesn't have any feats.

So Seiten Goku has never destroyed a mountain with his punch,that means that he can't hurt Goku.
You keep saying that he kills unkillables(which is not true and even if it was stated and they were unkillable their not),but you forget to say how durable those "unkillables" are,how strong they are and how fast they are.And don't say that their stronger thne the z-fighrers,because I don't care what you say,I want some strength feats,speed feats and durability feats.

All you do is say that he outclassed some characters,now it means that he can beat Goku?No it doesn't.

So again keollyn you're wrong,I have feats to prove that dbz Goku is stronger,you don't.
All you have is your fanboysm nothing more.

So like I said,no feats,no nothing.

Though it is funny how you say that Seiten Goku beats Goku because he killed some guys and that he outclassed someone.

 

[Keollyn]

LMAO! is this thread a joke?

Not as much as your existence.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Not as much as your existence.

wack!

Dont be mad because you got sonned in this stupid thread.

 

[Keollyn]

Keollyn all you do is say that Seiten Goku is that powerful and that powerful,but if you don't have any feas to prove that he is stronger then Goku then he isn't.

All I hear is that he outclasses other characters.

That just tells us thta he's stronger then the other characters,it doesn't mean that he can hang with L-sama.

ssj2 Gohan outclassed Cell,does it mean that he can beat any character?No.

So show me some feats if you want me to believe that he can beat even Goku at the end of db because from what you said I can't say that he's stronger.

And do you know that an unkillable can't die?if he killed them why do you call those guys unkillables?

And how strong are those unkillables?

If you didn't knew,you need feats to prove that a character is stronger.All I hear from you is that Seiten Goku does that and that and that and,which doesn't mean anything.
So untill you show me some feats,I still think that Goku at the end of db could beat the crapt out of him.

Are you sh1ttin me? You just acknowledge that Seiten Taisen's a plot device.. I even explained why he lacks feats... and you still come to me with this bullsh1t?! I sometimes wonder why I bother with you.

And he does. I can't tell you that he's underclassed by characters when he's not.

What the hell does L-Sama have to do with this? Truth be told, Kakarotto can't either.

Poor analogy. That tells me that SSJ2 Gohan can beat people equal to, or below, Cell. I'm telling you that Seiten Taisen is greater than ANYONE in DBZ. No one has his energy. And in DBZ, energy MATTERS MOST.

If you believe he can't beat even Kid Goku, then my time was wasted.

Umm... because God said so. They're literally heavenly beings that CANNOT die. But since Seiten Taisen has a power that even mystifies God, he can do things like violating the normal order of things. Why do you think they're going to use his energy to create a heaven and earth? Because he's UNIQUE. I shouldn't bother explaining this again to you. You'll just come up with more bullsh1t that still doesn't prove Kakarotto's energy > Seiten Taisen.

They're heavenly beings. Some heavenly beings ARE FIGHTERS. Since the heavenly beings AREN'T focal to the story, you don't see them fighting REGULARLY. I already told you of the War God. He defeated a demon capable of destroying the world. He's only one of the many heavenly beings who got that same strength, if not greater (especially since this War God was only a half-god. And we remember that Half < Full, right?). But you're looking for feats, right? And like clockwork, you'll ask for them even after I told you they're not normally present in the story...

Once again, you don't ALWAYS need feats to prove a character is strong. You used L-Sama just a second ago in one of your points.... What feats do she have? Hardly any, but people put her as one of the strongest beings in the fictionverse. And why is that? Her DAMN BACKGROUND. She was known for creating multiverse and strong demons... but is that a feat of fighting strength and battle skill? No. But yet you use her as if she was some holy grail just like the others, right? Well, you can, but I can't. Get the hell out of here with that. I present you with the necessary background of the people in question (these deities and Seiten Taisen) but all you request is feats I keep saying ARE NOT PRESENT IN THE SERIES... You're really a hard case. But I'll forgive you because you know no better.

And I don't give a damn what you say, Kid Goku isn't beating Seiten Taisen AT ALL. I'd understand if you said SSJ2 or SSJ3... but Kid Goku! Kid Goku didn't have enough energy at that point to fuel a country, let alone an entire world...

 

[Keollyn]

wack!

Dont be mad because you got sonned in this stupid thread.

Edit: You know what... this is a wasted effort putting you down. You seem to lack shame, so I'll not bother. Either stay on topic or GTFO. Simple, eh?

 

[buutenks]

Are you sh1ttin me? You just acknowledge that Seiten Taisen's a plot device.. I even explained why he lacks feats... and you still come to me with this bullsh1t?! I sometimes wonder why I bother with you.

And he does. I can't tell you that he's underclassed by characters when he's not.

What the hell does L-Sama have to do with this? Truth be told, Kakarotto can't either.

Poor analogy. That tells me that SSJ2 Gohan can beat people equal to, or below, Cell. I'm telling you that Seiten Taisen is greater than ANYONE in DBZ. No one has his energy. And in DBZ, energy MATTERS MOST.

If you believe he can't beat even Kid Goku, then my time was wasted.

Umm... because God said so. They're literally heavenly beings that CANNOT die. But since Seiten Taisen has a power that even mystifies God, he can do things like violating the normal order of things. Why do you think they're going to use his energy to create a heaven and earth? Because he's UNIQUE. I shouldn't bother explaining this again to you. You'll just come up with more bullsh1t that still doesn't prove Kakarotto's energy > Seiten Taisen.

They're heavenly beings. Some heavenly beings ARE FIGHTERS. Since the heavenly beings AREN'T focal to the story, you don't see them fighting REGULARLY. I already told you of the War God. He defeated a demon capable of destroying the world. He's only one of the many heavenly beings who got that same strength, if not greater (especially since this War God was only a half-god. And we remember that Half < Full, right?). But you're looking for feats, right? And like clockwork, you'll ask for them even after I told you they're not normally present in the story...

Once again, you don't ALWAYS need feats to prove a character is strong. You used L-Sama just a second ago in one of your points.... What feats do she have? Hardly any, but people put her as one of the strongest beings in the fictionverse. And why is that? Her DAMN BACKGROUND. She was known for creating multiverse and strong demons... but is that a feat of fighting strength and battle skill? No. But yet you use her as if she was some holy grail just like the others, right? Well, you can, but I can't. Get the hell out of here with that. I present you with the necessary background of the people in question (these deities and Seiten Taisen) but all you request is feats I keep saying ARE NOT PRESENT IN THE SERIES... You're really a hard case. But I'll forgive you because you know no better.

And I don't give a damn what you say, Kid Goku isn't beating Seiten Taisen AT ALL. I'd understand if you said SSJ2 or SSJ3... but Kid Goku! Kid Goku didn't have enough energy at that point to fuel a country, let alone an entire world...

Well I know that L-sama has done that because she actually has created mult-verses and she has kkilled and she's stronger then universe busters,but you didn't even told me what Seiten Goku has actually done all you say is that he's a god or something,who cares,we need feats.

But still can he actaully hurt Goku?Please don't come with but he can create heave and all that,I want some feats where he destroys something.
I go by feats and sometimes statements,so show me a feat where it proves that he can hurt Goku.

So please show some feats and if you have non then don't come sayig that Seiten Goku can beat dbz Goku because all you go by is that he has power to do that and that.

And power n dbz is not all,for e.g. a Ussj is very strong,but a weaker guy like Perfect Cell could beat the crap out of him,now why is this?Because the Ussj2 is slower.

And having the power to create somethig doesn't mean that you're stronger then any character.

Shenlong cna create planets and bring how many pleople back to life,yet he couldn't even kill Nappa and this dragon can create planets,yet Vegeta and Nappa can't.

So please show me some feats,all you do is make points without showing any evidence.
You said that he has the power to do that,so what if he's not strong enough to hurt Goku,or durable enough to survive a small ki blast from Goku.
So you see you need speed,strength and durability feats,so stop being a fanboy and show me some feats,is it that hard?Or you don't have any but you still say that he can beat Goku.

So sow some feats if you have,if you don't then don't come saying to me that Seiten Goku can beat Goku.

Keollyn:"I'm telling you that Seiten Taisen is greater than ANYONE in DBZ. No one has his energy" this is the part where you howed that you're a fanboy,saying that Seiten Goku can beat dbz Goku without showing nay proof,now you'll bring,but he had the power to create havean and earth,now what will that do if he can hurt,touch Goku and what will that do if Goku can kill him wiht a ki blast and that he could speedblitz him to death?
So yu see,untill you show me some speed,strength and durability feats,I'm nt believing that he cna hang with Goku.

You think that just because he can create havean and earth it means that he can beat Goku?No,you think that Goku'll stay there and let Seiten Goku.

So keollyn this is where you don't understand,power isn't everything,if Seiten Goku isn't fast enough to catch Goku then he isn't catching Goku,if he isn't durable enough to survive one ki blast from Goku then he is dead and if he doesn't have the strength to hurt Goku then he is dead,so you see power isn't everything.

Shenlong can create planets and bring how many people back to life,yet he was killed by a mouth blast from Piccolo daimao,so this goes for Seiten Goku,youre just a fanboy keollyn,atleast I can accept that my favorite character loses,but from what you showed me,I still don't balieve that Goku i the freeza saga will lose,I don't even know how strong,durable and how fast Seiten Goku is,this is because you haven't brought any feat.

So I ask you this,show me proof from the anime or manga where Seiten Goku has survived planet busting attacks,where he destroyed mountain ranges with the shockwave of his punches and where he was fighting at who knows what speed,this is all I ask.
So please,don't bring the"he's created that and that and that",I want some feats,is it that hard to show some feats?

 

[Keollyn]

L-Sama created multiverse? That's not a feat, that's an establishment. Stronger than universe buster? Is that HER feat? Seems like the same thing when I say Seiten Taisen is stronger than a War God who can defeat a world destroyer, and not to mention countless other gods on par, if not stronger, than this War God... SIMULTANEOUSLY. But I guess since L-Sama hasn't done that feat herself (busting a universe) and Seiten Taisen hasn't himself (destroyed the world), that the one associated with L-Sama is a feat and the one associated with Seiten Taisen isn't. Wait, what?!

Wait... Why do YOU keep bringing up the heaven and earth thing? The whole H&E thing was to prove how much ENERGY he has (like me saying that he soaked up the aura of heaven and earth for centuries wasn't enough...). Stop trying to be a smart ass with your "And don't say...". And please, you ALWAYS go by statements. The whole Frieza, Cell, FTL and Boo thing had you really believing it... but where they ACTUAL feats? Seriously, you're a big time hypocrite. Oh, and unless Goku's beyond immortality... he's not avoiding harm from Seiten Taisen..

And you've still yet to prove to me how Goku has more energy than Seiten Taisen. Which I'll say again for you... Energy IS FOCAL in DBZ. Don't come to ME about Goku (especially Kid Goku) can beat Seiten Taisen until you can bring evidence that he does.

USSJ is a ki increase. Doesn't change that fact. The difference is that it is an incomplete transformation, and thus, it has its instabilities. Just like Psuedo-Supa-Saiyajin. So you fail to prove that energy isn't an important aspect of DBZ... that is, if you were trying to prove that (say you weren't, because you failed miserably)

I guess you missed the part when I did NOT say creating something means you can beat someone (ex: L-Sama and multiverse). I said he has enough energy to create a new heaven and earth... what does that have to do with him beating someone?

What the hell are you talking about? What does Shenron have to do with this? Your analogies are pretty poor. And besides, he's like a jinn. Jinn's tend to have limits to their powers. Please try a better analogy.

How about you stop be an ass, and listen to reason. It's like you have a severe handicap bestowed on you or something. I keep repeating that Seiten Taisen is NOT used often, when he is, he overpowers his opponents, he doesn't go around punching mountains for no reason and he cannot get hit by anything strong because NOTHING in his verse is strong enough to combat him (minus God). If I have to repeat this to you again, I'll just tell you to go read the manga instead as you're seriously lacking.

First off... I now know you can't comprehend what I'm saying. How is he going to speed blitz to death (speed blitzing is out of the question. Goku's roughly at the speed of sound WITH his limiter on. In his true form, he moves like he's teleporting.) or kill him with a ki blast if Seiten Taisen CANNOT BE KILLED! I've said this already... like oh, I dunno... ON CBR! You're.. you're... I dunno... there's no word to describe you.

There you go again with that heaven and earth sh1t. I've mentioned that like what? Three times total and you've mentioned it about three times in ONE post. Does that bother you that much?

Shenron is pretty damn irrelevant in this debate. You're bringing him up like he's Goku. And for the love of god... please tell me you're not talking about GT??! If you are, then you're actually not proving much with that. Contradiction and inaccurate depicts of the character comes a dime a dozen in that series. You'd be better off sticking to DB/Z.

No, how about you some me proof that Goku survived planet busting attacks, where he shattered mountain with his shockwave, and... since you don't seem to know.. those speeds he was fighting at. You expect me to prove something of Seiten Taisen when Goku doesn't do them either. I mean, the only think he can account for is what you just said about the speed thing... But everyone in fiction who fights, fights at an unknown speed (unless the author tells us) so that's not really telling me much.

And there you go again with that "create" sh1t. I swear... I'm about to number the amount of times you mentioned that. You must really feel threatened by that...

 

[buutenks]

No, how about you some me proof that Goku survived planet busting attacks, where he shattered mountain with his shockwave, and... since you don't seem to know.. those speeds he was fighting at. You expect me to prove something of Seiten Taisen when Goku doesn't do them either. I mean, the only think he can account for is what you just said about the speed thing... But everyone in fiction who fights, fights at an unknown speed (unless the author tells us) so that's not really telling me much.

And there you go again with that "create" sh1t. I swear... I'm about to number the amount of times you mentioned that. You must really feel threatened by that...

Goku never survived planet destroying attacks.

Look at the Majin Vegeta vs ssj2 Goku fight,they were destroying all the mountains around them with the shockwave of their punches.

And lets just stop it,I don't know a thing about Seiten Goku and you don't know much about dbz Goku as well,so lets stop it.okay?

Edt:lest just leave this thread dead,okay?
It's all my fault,I brought it up,but I still don't thin kthat Seiten goku can beat Goku,but lets just stop it,okay?

So I apologize and let's leave the thread dead.

 

[param]

There you go again. All I keep hearing is "His feats. His feats" but in the end, you're asking for things NOT presented in that series. But what I can give you STILL says that Goku is stronger than Kakarotto.

Going by that, its proved in the manga that Cell is a Solar System Buster. Many take that to be a hyperbole, because no feats put him on that level. Now should i argue with the reaons the feats were just NOT presented in that series?
Only in the anime does Kid Buu vaporize an entire galaxy.

Heck you don't even accept Saiyan Saga Vegeta at planet busting when feats before him clearly put him at planet busting, even with the fact its stated he can. And here you are arguing again without any statements which direct to happening feats. Go on, get the taste of your own medicine.

 

[Keollyn]

Going by that, its proved in the manga that Cell is a Solar System Buster. Many take that to be a hyperbole, because no feats put him on that level. Now should i argue with the reaons the feats were just NOT presented in that series?
Only in the anime does Kid Buu vaporize an entire galaxy.

Heck you don't even accept Saiyan Saga Vegeta at planet busting when feats before him clearly put him at planet busting, even with the fact its stated he can. And here you are arguing again without any statements which direct to happening feats. Go on, get the taste of your own medicine.

There's a thing about SOMEONE's self-proclaimation, and then there's God's proclaimation. Cell saying that he's a solar system buster isn't proof. If someone who had the power to bust SS, or a godly being, said Cell had that power... then his statement could come off as fact without proof. But since he was the only one that proclaimed this power, you got nothing to go off. This is a BIG difference from story narrative. The story said that Seiten Taisen has the raw aura of the Earth and Sky for centuries, and thus, is proof. This is HIS background. Just like Cell being a combination of ALL the great fighters on Earth. I wouldn't deny Cell's background if he didn't go around and prove it right away. If the story said he's a combination of great fighters on Earth, than he is. It's as simpe as that.

Even without the narrative, we had God and even a Bosatsu mention that Seiten Taisen's power is beyond their comprehension. Hyperbole falls on Cell's statement, truth falls on the story narrative.

So? Is Boo relevant to this subject?

What feats before Vegeta? Did you see anyone else destroy an EARTH-based planet? And no, the moon =/= the earth.... no matter HOW you look at it. And what facts stated he can? Where are these DAMN FACTS COMING FROM?! Someone screams in anger and say they'll destroy the earth and that's fact that they can? Utter bullsh1t. I can get enraged at a tank pilot that just blew up my house and say I'll destroy the tank... does that automatically mean I can? No. For Vegeta's case, he couldn't to the earth. He didn't have the power to bust earth YET.

I'd be tasting my own medicine if you didn't kill your own post with so many ******ed statements like that (See bold). How does one say things like that and believe it.