The Dark Knight Goodbye Ms. Dawson?

[BRUTAL]

if you didnt think rachel was important to BB, then i think you need to watch the movie again...

I've seen it more than enough times to know that a pretty much useless half-damsel-in-distress who is only used as something pretty to look at and a very small part of exposition was really not needed. A little more time spent on the script and I bet the film would have been exactly the same. The only reason she's in the cast is becasue I'm sure the studio would be a little apprehensive to release a film with an entirely MALE cast in a genre thats demographic is prodominantly male. Maybe if more people payed attention to the story throughout the entire film instead of glazing over until a pretty face came on the screen they would understand that she was really irrelevant to anykind of plot development.

 

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sorry about all that, computer malfunction... or maybe operator malfunction

debate on...

 

[Action ACE]

So, is Rachael Daws in the next film???

I never considered this. Is their any conformation?

 

[BRUTAL]

Nope, no conformation ALL speculation at this point

 

[CConn]

Rachel Dawson will not die in the movie.
It would be a cheat trick by Nolan, which i don´t believe he will fall into, but, then again, Goyer is there....

Like the character or not, Rachel is the light at the end of the tunnel for Bruce, she is his "prize" when Gotham doesn´t need Batman anymore.
So, to kill her would just be an empty efford for the dramatic.
She might not appear in this movie, that i believe...

Exactly. And having her killed would show there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

It may be cold hearted of me, but I want Batman - and the audience - to realize that.

 

[BRUTAL]

And a LARGE sigh of relief escapes me as I see more RATIONALITY

 

[batman11]

Ms. Dawson? HAHAHAHAH! I cried when I saw a post with "Ms. Dawson" in it. Did you even watch Batman Begins? Aside from those select few with a acapable intellect (you know who you are) the rest of you posters are probably oblivious to the fact that this Ms. Dawson does not exist. I challenge each and every one of you to watch Batman Begins and point it out to me where there is a Ms. Dawson character. If you find her, I will give you $1000. Ms. Dawson....pfff.

 

[BRUTAL]

Did the point of the joke hit you when it flew directly over your head?

 

[CConn]

I´m sorry dude, but i didn´t understood half you wrote

I only said that it would be a cheap trick to kill her, JUST for Bruce never to think about giving up the mantle.
Besides, with the knowledge that Nolan´s Batman is going to be a trilogy, and with the last scene,when Rachel say, someday, when Gotham doesn´t need Batman anymore....i just bet that, in the end of the third movie, Bruce will "retire" the Batman´s live.

Wow...that's an utterly horrible idea.

 

[E-Mack]

Exactly. And having her killed would show there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

It may be cold hearted of me, but I want Batman - and the audience - to realize that.

I'd rather that special someone be a character that's relevant in the mythos, thank you.

 

[CConn]

I'd rather that special someone be a character that's relevant in the mythos, thank you.

So what do you want to do? Kill Alfred? Lucious Fox? Characters we all like and want to see in as many movies as possible? Or do you want to get rid of a character that's quite expendable to us fans, yet is extremely important to the chracter, to Batman, in the movie? Rachel's the perfect fit for that. We fans don't have to lose anyone we care for, but Batman does.

 

[batman11]

What? This was a joke? Nice cover-up buddy but it won't work. You even put "Dawson (sp.)" in your original post. Don't humour me....again.

 

[E-Mack]

So what do you want to do? Kill Alfred? Lucious Fox? Characters we all like and want to see in as many movies as possible? Or do you want to get rid of a character that's quite expendable to us fans, yet is extremely important to the chracter, to Batman, in the movie? Rachel's the perfect fit for that. We fans don't have to lose anyone we care for, but Batman does.

You misunderstood, I have no problem with Rachel being killed off. If she's even brought back I hope that's what they do. But at the same time, I don't want Nolan to make her THE prized gift that Bruce lost to his war on crime. It can still have a very powerful impact on his character though.

I just prefer his "true love" to be either Selina or Talia. And they don't need to die for the audience to realize that Bruce will never be happy. The stories of those 2 by themselves are enough to suggest it.

 

[The Batman]

exactly. rachel dying isnt necessary

 

[BRUTAL]

exactly. rachel dying isnt necessary

Take out the word "dying" and I agree with you

 

[CConn]

You misunderstood, I have no problem with Rachel being killed off. If she's even brought back I hope that's what they do. But at the same time, I don't want Nolan to make her THE prized gift that Bruce lost to his war on crime. It can still have a very powerful impact on his character though.

I just prefer his "true love" to be either Selina or Talia. And they don't need to die for the audience to realize that Bruce will never be happy. The stories of those 2 by themselves are enough to suggest it.

You're misunderstanding me a bit as well. I'm not trying to turn Rachel into a Gwen Stacy-like true love character. Simply that with her background as Bruce's childhood friend, and the dialogue in the closing scenes of BB, that she is in the perfect position to be the character who's death really hurts Bruce - as a friend more than a true love, even.

Hell, look at Jason Todd - just because a character's sucks and is totally pointless, doesn't mean their death can't be affective.

 

[CConn]

exactly. rachel dying isnt necessary

No, it isn't necessary. But can it be done well? Can it improve the character, while at the same time being the better alternative to her just disappearing? I believe it is, personally.

 

[xanberkeley]

Some rumors say Rachel might get a job offer from Washington D.C.
so to me this sets up her tiny role but maybe will be recurring again on part 3. I like continuity for a change not ala James Bond adventure because some folks and critics always compare Bond with Batman.
I dont care for Selina or Talia anymore. I like Rachel better and Katie was solid in this film.
Some claim Harvey is married but when Ryan Phillip casting rumor came about I immediately thought of a love triangle. Ryan is just as young as Holmes. Its always the angst for our hero.

Makes me think Nolan and Goyer will not go by the easy way out that's too obvious. Joker killing Rachel is too cliche and predictable and even Talia and Catwoman is not a different Batman TPTB are aiming for.
I even think there's more emotional and dramatic ooomph if Harvey Dent kills Rachel and this is no turning back for him transforming into Two-Face.
It really shakes the D.A. family and the big fallout between Bruce and Harvey. Brings more guilt and pain for Bruce losing his love Rachel and losing his best friend and ally Harvey Dent. Im with the Batman's POV.

 

[Capt Throbberson]

I personally wouldn't mind seeing the "Batman will save us!" kid getting offed too.

 

[I Am The Knight]

What happened to the kid anyway.

 

[Comic Book Boy]

Because its nothing more than a shallow idea to get Batman super angry at the joker. Because fanboys only want it to happen because they hate katie holmes. There really is no reason to kill off a character as important as rachel.

Is there any other reason to kill off any character other than to make the series more interesting? Your point is meaningless.