Grant Morrisons Wizard interview

[Rivethed]

Hence why the arc is called "Batman and Son," even though Morrison said he was bringing Ibn back into continuity.

When did he say that? Does that mean the Kingdom Come related stuff is in continuity too? How about the Brotherhood of the Bat and League of Batmen stuff?

 

[Fledermaus]

Brotherhood of the Bat, League of Batmen, and Kingdom Come are all elseworlds, therefore, non-continuity. The Kingdom Come sequel, The Kingdom may be in continuity. Batman's son in Brotherhood and League name was Tallant, not Ibn. Did Morrison say "Ibn" by name or just that he was bringing back the child from "son of the demon" ?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.

 

[Rivethed]

Brotherhood of the Bat, League of Batmen, and Kingdom Come are all elseworlds, therefore, non-continuity. The Kingdom Come sequel, The Kingdom may be in continuity. Batman's son in Brotherhood and League name was Tallant, not Ibn. Did Morrison say "Ibn" by name or just that he was bringing back the child from "son of the demon" ?

But during Infnite Crisis things got changed again. Son of the Demon was also considered an elseworlds story.

 

[Nightwing 52]

When did he say that? Does that mean the Kingdom Come related stuff is in continuity too? How about the Brotherhood of the Bat and League of Batmen stuff?

It was in an interview he had months back, I'll get the link for you. All that was said was that he was bringing "Son of the Demon" back into continuity, I don't recall him mentioning the others you've asked which Fledermaus answered.

Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.

It's obvious they wanted him to be different. He wasn't named "Ibn" out of the ordinary, his name is arabic like Ra's' for "Son of the Bat."

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

 

[Ibn]

I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Ibn is a cool name. It's deep. It means "son" in Arabic. Ibn al Xuffasch - Son of the Bat. That has a whole hell of alot more meaning to me than Dave.

 

[theMan-Bat]

I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Or Batbaby? LOL.

 

[Ibn]

Or Batbaby? LOL.

Now that, my friend, is deep!

 

[Fledermaus]

I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

You tell him, Steve-Dave.

 

[nite-owl]

I'm a little confused.....what title will they be on?

Batman.

 

[Nightwing 52]

I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Ibn, is just fine.

 

[The Englishman]

Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.

Don't you mean good ol English names???

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ibn is a cool name. It's deep. It means "son" in Arabic. Ibn al Xuffasch - Son of the Bat. That has a whole hell of alot more meaning to me than Dave.

Most people don't speak Arabic though, so it could be a tough one to pronounce.

I dunno....I guess I always expected Bruce's first born son to be named Bruce Wayne Jr. Or maybe even Tom Wayne, after his dad.

Don't you mean good ol English names???

I actually got that line from HAROLD AND KUMAR GO TO WHITE CASTLE, when Harold and Jumar get stopped by the cop for jay walking (wtf?) and he laughs, "What kind of name is that anyhow? Kumar? What is that five o's or two u's? Whatever happened to good 'ol American names, like Dave....or Steve?"

 

[Rivethed]

How many comics has Ibn appeared in? I know of Son of the Demon, Kingdom Come 2-4 (I think he was in all of them), The Kingdom 2, Son of the Bat. Is that it?

 

[Fledermaus]

The name "Ibn" is a creation of Mark Waid. The baby Talia had in "Son of the Demon" was never named.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?

 

[Nightwing 52]

Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?

Kingdom Come and The Kingdom both depicted him as good and bad. In Kingdom Come he's found by the League of Assasins after Ra's has apparently died to be their newly found leader. Only to soon discover (because of flashbacks) that it was actually him who murdered Ra's. The Kingdom showed him having a relationship with Nightstar (Nightwing and Starfire's daughter) who he thanks for being there at his side, so that he never ended up being "him." Whether it was Ra's or Bruce he was refering to was never revealed.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I see. Conflicted......hmmm. Interesting.

 

[Nightwing 52]

I see. Conflicted......hmmm. Interesting.

He could never decide between the family legacies.

 

[Fledermaus]

If I remember correctly, at the end of Kingdom Come he was fighting the League of Assassins brainwashing and helping Bruce with his hospital.

 

[Ibn]

Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?

You should really read The Kingdom. His portrayal is awesome. Just imagine a combo of Batman and Ra's intellect, Ra's ruthless do or die approach, yet still a sense of compassion like Bruce. He is overally a good guy. However, he's done some things............ yeah........ that Bruce kinda wouldn't do. Like killing his grandfather (which was disturbingly satisfying after watching his upbringing). And I think his name won't have that much of an effect on the readers. Hell, there are still debates over how to say Ra's' name. I can't believe I didn't get that White Castle reference! Oh, and hey Batman, where the hell were you when I started that review thread on The Kingdom, hmm? I got like two replies. One of them was me .................................

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?

 

[Nightwing 52]

This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?

The one Ibn is refering to would be The Kingdom.

 

[Rivethed]

This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?

The Kingdom had two main books and several individual books. One of them was called Son of the Bat and that's the story he's talking about. You can read up on the history if the chracter here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al_Xu'ffasch

BTW, here's some interesting info from that article...

In Teen Titans v3 #18, when the Titans were transported 10 years into the future, a graveyard full of deceased Batman allies and villains is depicted. One tombstone reads "Ibn Al Xu'ffasch". It is unknown whether this means that he is truly in continuity with the DC universe.