Grayskull: Masters of the Universe - Part 2

[Paradox1]

The original cartoon is unwatchable to me now. There are not many good things about they should keep. There were some good things about the he-man movie that was made in the 80's. The director of it said he took a ton of inspiration from jack Kirby's New Gods. I'd like to see the movie go in a similar direction but leave earth out of it.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Completely disagree while yes the classic filmation cartoon is cheesey you can't ignore it without it you wouldn't have a hell of a lot of major elements

No Adam
No transformation
No Teela is the sorceress daughter
And a bunch of others

Personally I feel they should go the IDW tmnt route take everything they can from all versions and mix them up. They tired this with the classics toy line bios but that's just been downgraded into the brand managers personal badly written fan fic

And the less said about the current dc comics looks and ideas the better

 

[TheVileOne]

Badly written fan fic is the Keith Giffen comics.

No disrespect to Giffen because he's generally a good writer. But he has no idea what he's doing with MOTu.

 

[Paradox1]

To me that 80's cartoon is unwatchable a lot of them are from back then that I use to love including Thundercats,MASK,Gi Joe. They just didn't put a lot into the stories and basically made them to sell us toys. When you watch them now it's really clear that was their intention (Reganomics at its best). The shows with that said haven't aged well in the slightest unlike Japanese anime like Fist of the Northstar,Robotech or Akira. Some of them are like 30yrs old and I could still put them on and enjoy it.

Back to He-Man I really don't think he needs the transformation at all. I know it's part of some wish fulfillment for us the viewers to suddenly become this manly man. With the body of a Greek god and the power to match. However I'm not a kid anymore and don't wish to become one. As far as the other stuff you mentioned a broke clock is right at least twice a day. I'm sure the original got some things right Teela connection with the Sorceress of Grayskull was one of them.

 

[Thundarr]

I'd like to see them combine elements of both the 1980s show and the 2002 show. The Glut comics I like for my own reasons, but I agree with Torch, they don't really make this property all that marketable to a mass audience.

1980s show: Talking animals, Granamyr, basic Power Sword, feathery Sorceress, older Teela, smaller Orko, Queen Marlena from Earth, smarter Clawful, Skeletor is not related to Randor.

2002 show: Younger Adam, more complex relationship between various races in Eternia, aftermath of Snake Wars, council of ancients, smarter but weaker TriKlops.

I more or less agree with what you have here. The only things I disagree with are talking animals and Teela being older. Maybe make her a LITTLE older than Adam, old enough where a romance between the two less likely but not impossible. If Adam is 16 or 17, make her 19 or 20.

As for Skeletor/Keldor and Randor being related? It's an interesting dynamic, but it wouldn't bother me if it was kept in or left out. As long as the story itself is strong enough, I could go either way. And as far as the Sorceress is concerned, she has feathers in both versions. It's just that the 2002 version has her feathers mostly on her wings (which sprout angelically from her shoulder blades rather than hang from beneath her arms).

The one thing from the minicomics that I think should be included is the "Two Halves Of The Powersword" angle. He-Man has one half of the Power Sword, Skeletor has the other. In order for Skeletor to gain access to Castle Grayskull, and the power hidden within, Skeletor has to take He-Man's half of the Power Sword and reunite them (not an easy task).

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Badly written fan fic is the Keith Giffen comics.

No disrespect to Giffen because he's generally a good writer. But he has no idea what he's doing with MOTu.

Agreed but I still say it's all down to Mattel and a certain gurus meddling (looking at the newest mini comic proves that due to designs) but yeah I just face palmed when I seen the evil that was .........dorko


On the keldor front the idea of him and randor being brothers works for me. It's an interesting twist that keldor isn't wrong he should be king. If you go by the mythos keldors mother was a gar. Hence his blue skin. The gar are seen as a inferior species on eternia and therefore keldor was shunned and forbidden to rule.

Yeah he went off sold his soul for dark power and all but the guy did get screwed before that.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I want Skeletor to be evil, plain and simple. Not a clutzy goofball, not a wronged and bitter scion from a persecuted minority. He is a sorceror with a skull head. Evil!

 

[terry78]

There will be a reason why he's evil as opposed to "nyah ha ha, I'm evulz" of course.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

He-Man should be the real villain in it. He could be a racist, aryan superman, while Skeletor symbolizes the native americans. At the end of the movie, we learn that He-Man slaughtered Skeletor's tribe, because they were "ugly, filthy savages".

Skeletor: "Who's the real savage, He-Man? I didn't harm anyone before you and your soldiers killed everyone and burned the entire village to the ground!"

He tries to answer, but he can't. He-Man slices off his head (horrible scene, with gurgling and cries for mercy). It ends with He-Man staring into space, with an empty look on his blood-splattered face. War is hell.

 

[Lord]

You can have a character that is just evil but is also complex.

 

[Thundarr]

You can have a character that is just evil but is also complex.

Like Hannibal Lectar!

 

[Human Torch]

The only interesting concept in the early comics was the "two halves of the Power Sword" thing.But it kinda renders Castle Grayskull ineffective,if no one can enter until He-Man beats Skeletor or vice-versa.

I can't see what's gained by taking away talking Cringer and the He-Man transformation.Another generic barbarian/sword and sorcery fable.

Keldor as Randor's brother is still a needless addition.We don't need Skeletor "Loki-fied" to be evil.

 

[CountOrlok]

I know they're going to f.. this up, there is hardly any chance in hell this movie is going to be good.

There were some good things about the he-man movie that was made in the 80's.

There were a lot of good things. I love that movie. Perfect casting. Great special effects. A story with a lot of heart and great entertainment.

 

[Thundarr]

The only interesting concept in the early comics was the "two halves of the Power Sword" thing.But it kinda renders Castle Grayskull ineffective,if no one can enter until He-Man beats Skeletor or vice-versa.

I can't see what's gained by taking away talking Cringer and the He-Man transformation.Another generic barbarian/sword and sorcery fable.

Keldor as Randor's brother is still a needless addition.We don't need Skeletor "Loki-fied" to be evil.

I've always wanted the transformation from Adam to He-Man. But talking Cringer always just seemed too silly to me.

I'm not saying Skeletor/Keldor HAS to be related to King Randor. But I would like to see him have a more complex personality/history than "I'm evil because I love being EEEEVILLL!" Make him a little more complex.

As for Castle Grayskull, it's not so much made ineffective as the point of the whole story. It's like the ring in LOTR, it hardly ever got used (at least not as much as in the book), but that doesn't take away from it's importance to the story.

 

[Dark Raven]

I feel like Thor ruined any chances for this film to be great, without huge comparisons being drawn.

The Warriors 3 and Sif are basically like The Masters and Teela.

Odin, Randor.

They even had a He-Man type transformation in Thor and The Avengers:

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That's an interesting comparison, and I never thought of Thor's transformations as being like Adam to He-Man's before (but then I wasn't thinking of He-Man at the time).

And Keldor is like Loki. Asgard is like Eternia.

If WB ever got Shazam off the ground, that would make it even worse for Adam/He-Man.

 

[terry78]

Everything is a copy of something else in some way. I have seen the most original concepts ever created have someone else claim they did something similar prior.

 

[Loki882]

I know they're going to f.. this up, there is hardly any chance in hell this movie is going to be good.



There were a lot of good things. I love that movie. Perfect casting. Great special effects. A story with a lot of heart and great entertainment.

I can think of two great things about that movie right away. There names are Frank Langella and Meg Foster. Also, the blazingly homoerotic undertones are always hilarious to watch.

 

[Panthro]

I want Antje Traue, Faora from MAN OF STEEL, as Evil-Lynn. And if not that then I want her as Miriya Parina in a film version of Robotech. Or the Evil Queen of the Crown in a film version of "Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers" (a guy can dream can't he?).

Everything is a copy of something else in some way. I have seen the most original concepts ever created have someone else claim they did something similar prior.

So true.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Damn, Antje was Evil-Lynn is spot-on. Can't believe I never thought about that before. It might feel a little bit like typecasting but she would be perfect. IT MUST HAPPEN.

 

[Thundarr]

For He-Man, they should have an open audition for male bodybuilders. Pick someone who has aspirations to go from bodybuilding to acting like Schwarzenegger and Ferrigno did, but has yet to make the transition. They may even find someone really charismatic, with lots of raw natural talent.

I know everyone wants to give the role to a "real" actor. But everyone suggested for the role so far has been far too small to play He-Man. Even Chris Hemsworth (who I'm a fan of) doesn't quite look the part. So I say cast someone unknown (at least to the acting world) as He-Man, and then choose someone who's a little more recognizable as Prince Adam in order to get the "star power" that a MOTU movie is going to need (maybe Liam Hemsworth).

It worked for Arnold Schwarzenegger in Conan The Barbarian. It worked for Lou Ferrigno in The Incredible Hulk. I'm sure it could work for a young bodybuilder who wants to follow in their footsteps.

 

[747]

Sure, a big part of it is surely nostalgia, but I still enjoy the old Filmation cartoon. And the concepts in it I find still hold up as having a lot of potential in it for a great, more adult live-action version.

The movie should be a mix of different versions though, even with some new ideas thrown in.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know. I think a guy like Hemsworth would look fine as He-Man (although I would rather they go after someone else since Thor is a similar character).

 

[slumcat]

For He-Man, they should have an open audition for male bodybuilders. Pick someone who has aspirations to go from bodybuilding to acting like Schwarzenegger and Ferrigno did, but has yet to make the transition. They may even find someone really charismatic, with lots of raw natural talent.

I know everyone wants to give the role to a "real" actor. But everyone suggested for the role so far has been far too small to play He-Man. Even Chris Hemsworth (who I'm a fan of) doesn't quite look the part. So I say cast someone unknown (at least to the acting world) as He-Man, and then choose someone who's a little more recognizable as Prince Adam in order to get the "star power" that a MOTU movie is going to need (maybe Liam Hemsworth).

It worked for Arnold Schwarzenegger in Conan The Barbarian. It worked for Lou Ferrigno in The Incredible Hulk. I'm sure it could work for a young bodybuilder who wants to follow in their footsteps.

Hemsworth is definitely not "small". His physique is good enough to play He-Man. He was gigantic in Thor: The Dark World. I don't think a bodybuilder physique is a necessity - even some actor's physique like say Hemsworth in Thor: The Dark World or Gerard Butler in 300 or Henry Cavill in MOS would be good enough.

But this much I will agree, they absolutely should not cast an actor who is not already built. It would take that much more effort for him to achieve the He-Man physique. Somebody like Joe Manganiello or Scott Adkins or Alan Ritchson or the likes, these guys are mostly almost there, and they could achieve the form required in 5-6 months or less.

Hemsworth would undoubtedly have been great casting but Thor is a very very similar role, so he absolutely won't take it under any condition.

 

[slumcat]

I want Antje Traue, Faora from MAN OF STEEL, as Evil-Lynn. And if not that then I want her as Miriya Parina in a film version of Robotech. Or the Evil Queen of the Crown in a film version of "Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers" (a guy can dream can't he?).

So true.

Absolutely brilliant choice. She was superb in MOS.

 

[Airwings]

Agree about "Faora".
For Man-At-Arms, I think Viggo Mortensen could be one of the best choices. It seems that Tom Selleck is too old now.

Any other suggestions for the inventor, the seasoned warrior, the master of weapons and the General of the Royal guards?