Grayskull: Masters of the Universe - Part 2

[Airwings]

But Masters of the Universe isn't this "great idea"! Star Wars, for what it is, was created with love of many different genres. Masters of the Universe was created so they could sell toys pure and simple.

And for that reason, the fans should swallow any kind of **** that comes out? No sir, just no!
The stories within MOTU are interesting and deep enough to give us a really larger than life fantasy/sci fi.

Filmation was what dumbed everything down.

 

[Drz]

All hype has gone to negative!

 

[Paradox1]

nothing I've read says Mcg is confirmed so what's the fuss about.

 

[Octoberist]

nothing I've read says Mcg is confirmed so what's the fuss about.

Unless you're new to movie news or born yesterday like the Vision, this is Deadline reporting it, one of the reliable trades in the business.

so if they're saying that he is talks, there is..like an 80 percent chance he's doing it. The 20 percent with him dropping out which may happen of course, but it still means that the talks is real and not a baseless rumor.

 

[TheVileOne]

Even if he signs a deal, that doesn't mean the movie will get made. But whatever. Just remember this project has had dozens of different writers and directors for over 10 years and there's still nothing to show for it.

The problem is that the executives still have to come together in a meeting and essentially pledge to make the movie for such and such budget. It takes a lot to make that happen for any type of movie.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

mc G ahhh -*@#

 

[Paradox1]

Unless you're new to movie news or born yesterday like the Vision, this is Deadline reporting it, one of the reliable trades in the business.

so if they're saying that he is talks, there is..like an 80 percent chance he's doing it. The 20 percent with him dropping out which may happen of course, but it still means that the talks is real and not a baseless rumor.

There have been like three directors attached to this project before this. Yet now that they are "in talks" with this guy I should feel something. I been there I done that, getting a director almost means nothing for this project at this point cause it's been in development hell for so long. When they start making announcements about production budget,cast, and a date to start shooting then I'll feel something.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Totally fine with this.

I unabashedly love the '87 film, purely for nostalgia. But it's bad. And there's zero reason to get upset over McG since he's a competent enough journeyman filmmaker (a studio guy, if you will) and this is He-Man we're talking about. Not some deep mythology that's been passed down to generations. It's a cartoon based on a toy line.

Like the "outrage" over the new Ninja Turtles movies, I'm amused and dumb-founded. This is made for 10 year olds. And we're 30. Let it go.

The original Masters of Universe is pure garbage. A cheesy fun adventure was put in the real world because that was the cheapest thing to do. I think it is very bad and more than a little boring.

I'm not asking for high art because it's a silly property but I would like a well made entertaining cheese fest and I don't think that we are going to get that with McG. The guy couldn't direct himself out of a paper bag. I still unabashedly like the first Charlie's Angels movie and this is my position.

I don't agree that children's movies should get a free pass quality wise. You can make a good children's movie as Pixar has shown us over the years.

 

[nite-owl]

Nic Cage for Skeletor.

 

[Marvin]

But you can say the same for Star Wars. Should that just be made as the lowest common denominator for 10 year olds? Those 10 year olds, like when we were all 10 years old, should STILL get a good movie....

Question is, were the adults into star wars back in the day? Was it for them as well then?
Now ask how many adults(such as we are) were in front of the tv back when heman was at it's prime?

This is the problem, sponge bob is for kids and in 30 years it owes itself to kids(firstly). Starwars ain't that.
Not that I don't think all material can't be elevated(just look at superman ala nolan). But I don't agree that there is a burden to do so in every scenario, just an opportunity. And in 20 years, those ten year olds will be right here repeating this vicious cycle, for it's the grown up kids that do all the talking on the net. Not the kids currently enjoying the stuff.

 

[kickass]

Question is, were the adults into star wars back in the day? Was it for them as well then?
Now ask how many adults(such as we are) were in front of the tv back when heman was at it's prime?

This is the problem, sponge bob is for kids and in 30 years it owes itself to kids(firstly). Starwars ain't that.
Not that I don't think all material can't be elevated(just look at superman ala nolan). But I don't agree that there is a burden to do so in every scenario, just an opportunity. And in 20 years, those ten year olds will be right here repeating this vicious cycle, for it's the grown up kids that do all the talking on the net. Not the kids currently enjoying the stuff.

This is a stupid comparison. Adults were lining up around the block to see Star Wars back in 1977. And kids were right there with them. Even more kids would have gone if some of them were even old enough to go by themselves. He-Man may not have been something the adults and parents payed attention to story-wise, but they were aware of it, watched it with their kids on Saturday mornings, and bought all the toys for their kids as well. What's the difference? Both properties broke bank with the amount of toys they've sold.

Sponge bob may be for kids, but this world we live in isn't black and white. There are a ton of teenagers and adults who love and watch sponge bob because of the innuendo humour the cartoon offers. Adults went to go see Sponge Bob in theatres, too.

If He-Man should be treated as such a juvenile and childish property, then I guess we should do the same for all the Marvel movies. All the Captain Americas and Iron Mans and Hulks and Thors (who is the closest thing to He-Man, what a coincidence how well liked and successful that turned out to be!) and so on and so forth, should be dumbed down because of a toy line that premier in 1983, 32 years ago.

Remember Adam West in Batman and Robin? Now compare that to Batman '89. Wow! Serious shift in tone and direction. At some point, someone said "Let's make Batman scary. Let's make Batman threatening and mysterious and someone the general audience can take seriously". And they did and we did and the rest is history. You're telling me the same can't or shouldn't be done for He-Man? Based on its origins 32 years ago? I don't buy that for a second. Transformers waves hello.

 

[The Guard]

I don't see why McG directing this means it will be juvenile.

McG was also attached to Superman back in the day. He's supposedly a pretty big superhero fan. Maybe that's part of the project's appeal.

 

[kickass]

It seems to me that people are limiting their imagination as to what the story of He-Man can achieve. If anyone has ever even watched the shows or read the comics, that really wouldn't be the case. I think people need to stop basing their dislike or expectations for any sort of growth or versatility with the He-Man property because it started off as a toy line 32 years ago.

That toy line, by the way, spawned seasons of a tv show, a hundreds of comics. That became do successful, they made a SPIN-OFF of it with She-Ra. On top of that, all the people upset about the live-action movie were upset not because toys weren't a factor in the script, but because of how much of all that rich mythology was absent.

It's really not that hard to comprehend lol.

 

[terry78]

I like the dude when he exec produces, like Supernatural. Just not a fan of his directing style. It's like...Bay and Snyder kind of are the same type of flashy whiz bang action, but they actually give plausible reasons behind their creative decisions.

 

[kickass]

I don't see why McG directing this means it will be juvenile.

McG was also attached to Superman back in the day. He's supposedly a pretty big superhero fan. Maybe that's part of the project's appeal.

I don't know enough about McG to hate on him, I just have a major problem with people thinking that because He-Man began as a toy line in 1983 it shouldn't be taken seriously as a live-action film. As if there is no story to tell and the characters are as empty as the plastic toys that were created for them.

Which is 100% not true and never was.

 

[Marvin]

This is a stupid comparison. Adults were lining up around the block to see Star Wars back in 1977. And kids were right there with them. Even more kids would have gone if some of them were even old enough to go by themselves. He-Man may not have been something the adults and parents payed attention to story-wise, but they were aware of it, watched it with their kids on Saturday mornings, and bought all the toys for their kids as well. What's the difference? Both properties broke bank with the amount of toys they've sold.

Sponge bob may be for kids, but this world we live in isn't black and white. There are a ton of teenagers and adults who love and watch sponge bob because of the innuendo humour the cartoon offers. Adults went to go see Sponge Bob in theatres, too.

If He-Man should be treated as such a juvenile and childish property, then I guess we should do the same for all the Marvel movies. All the Captain Americas and Iron Mans and Hulks and Thors (who is the closest thing to He-Man, what a coincidence how well liked and successful that turned out to be!) and so on and so forth, should be dumbed down because of a toy line that premier in 1983, 32 years ago.

Remember Adam West in Batman and Robin? Now compare that to Batman '89. Wow! Serious shift in tone and direction. At some point, someone said "Let's make Batman scary. Let's make Batman threatening and mysterious and someone the general audience can take seriously". And they did and we did and the rest is history. You're telling me the same can't or shouldn't be done for He-Man? Based on its origins 32 years ago? I don't buy that for a second. Transformers waves hello.

So adults and kids were lining up for starwars you say? You see anywhere in my post where I said something different? The point being that the material engaged with adults(and kids) at full speed during it's peak in popularity. Great. Now you yourself argued that heman wasn't for adults but that they were 'aware of it'. You then ask what's the difference between this and starwars comparison wise? Really?
Revisit my post and the post I was quoting. When it comes to comparisons I'd agree, there definitely is something 'stupid' as you put it, going on.

As for you pulling comic books into this. Yea sorry but adults have always bought comic books. Always. They've been just as much for "us" as they have been for kids. When captain america was doing that war serial propaganda thing, men and boys and american households were consuming it, not simply kids, this is very different than claiming adults were into heman stuff during it's peak.
And even when batman was silly, it was 60's silly and adults were with that. Just like adults were with austin powers being 'silly' or superman 3. But still, batman can be just for kids(see some of these animated series), however where are it's roots, rather where has demonstrated strength(demographics wise)? I'd argue in a wide range of groups, and because of that, these groups have an argument. Try this exercise with terminator then ask which demo has the right to demand satisfaction(hint not the kids, though I'm sure with enough imagination..).

As for flipping the tone of something from silly to serious, hey I got no problem with that, tell that to all the 'superman is supposed to be silverage happy' fanboys. However tone is a very different thing than demographics. You can make something silly or serious but still only for kids, just as you can make something silly or serious but squarely for adults.Also not sure if you know but Batman didn't start tonally with that adam west stuff, kinda started dark and bob kane like.

As for Transformers, I'm not sure what you're point is. I'd argue it's found it's highest success when being as silly and fun as it was during it's peak and conception. As for Sponge Bob being for kids and adults, I'll have to take your word on it. I saw the feature. Not quite pixar stuff there, seemed 'sillier' if you can imagine, that is, it didn't really seem to engage with adults the way animated features with adults in mind do, but that's me.

As I said, I don't have anything against seizing the opportunity to make it something more, I just don't see any great burden to doing so. It's like young adults today would criticize a Barbie movie for not being some sex and the city commentary citing this same rhetoric. Sure it could be, but the only thing it 'has to be' is whatever it was that gave it it's success in the first place. If you think that means heman has no story then that's your observation on what heman was during it's glory days. Who know I'd be one arguing for something staying true to it's source material.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I don't see why McG directing this means it will be juvenile.

McG was also attached to Superman back in the day. He's supposedly a pretty big superhero fan. Maybe that's part of the project's appeal.

His favorite film of all time is T2 and that went well. lol

 

[Thundarr]

I have mixed feelings on this news. On the one hand, Terminator Salvation was pretty damn bad. But then again, I really enjoyed the Charlie's Angels movies.

In comparison to Jon Chu, who hasn't seemed to have ever done anything good (latest example, Jem & The Holograms INO), this could actually be a step up.

 

[Jordacar]

I don't see why McG directing this means it will be juvenile.

I don't see why McG directing this means it will get made this time.

I remember when he was gonna direct the next Superman movie. Dammit I'm old.

 

[Airwings]

There's actually more to this than a weak prince being the chosen one.

Randor/Skeletor (are they actually brothers?)
The mysteries of Castle Greyskull
Sorceress/Teela/Man-At-Arms
The different races (Stratos, Mer-Man, Sy-Klone etc)
The combination of high tech and magic
And the fact that nearly all of the MOTU characters are "superheroes"/"supervillains".

 

[Airwings]

Very good!

 

[Alien Anal]

Yeh **** McG that dude is a trash director.

I find it funny that people are having a hard time imagining He-Man being taken seriously considering we are on a comic book movie forum.

As far as I'm concerned there are no bad ideas just bad execution and McG is certainly not the person to trusted to produce a quality film.

I would go somewhere in the middle of 300 meets Star Wars/LOTR. It should be heavily stylized with a painterly look like 300 but with the fun and scale of Star Wars/LOTR With Animatronics and prosthetic make up for the non human characters, obviously CGI will still be needed.

This is like if Zack Synder met Ridley Scott and they had a baby. And then, meanwhile, Guillermo Del Toro and Peter Jackson met and had a baby. And by some miracle, those two babies met and ****ed - this would the **** that they birthed

 

[Panthro]

Let's make sure they keep M. Night Shyamalan away from this property...

 

[Bren]

Alien Anal, some sweet pics there. I think if taken seriously (not to say have a dead serious film) Masters of the Universe could be amazing. It's got everything there to use imo.

 

[Thundarr]

Yeh **** McG that dude is a trash director.

I find it funny that people are having a hard time imagining He-Man being taken seriously considering we are on a comic book movie forum.

As far as I'm concerned there are no bad ideas just bad execution and McG is certainly not the person to trusted to produce a quality film.

I would go somewhere in the middle of 300 meets Star Wars/LOTR. It should be heavily stylized with a painterly look like 300 but with the fun and scale of Star Wars/LOTR With Animatronics and prosthetic make up for the non human characters, obviously CGI will still be needed.

This is like if Zack Synder met Ridley Scott and they had a baby. And then, meanwhile, Guillermo Del Toro and Peter Jackson met and had a baby. And by some miracle, those two babies met and ****ed - this would the **** that they birthed

Nice Pineapple Express reference.