Green Lantern reboot ideas.

[Lantern Venom]

And general audiences still won't give a fig about a green guy with a magic ring.

Sunrise, sunset.

You really undermine your argument when you say "magic" ring. You might well know plenty about the mythos, but it makes it seem like you don't.

Also, if the GA sheeple walk away from JLA still caring only about Batman and Superman, then it's their loss. They can go back to their mindless reality TV. At least JLA will have had the chance it has deserved for so long.

 

[TommyJones1945]

And general audiences still won't give a fig about a green guy with a magic ring.

Sunrise, sunset.

 

[metaphysician]

Whether its "actually" magic in the comics themselves or not, it certainly very easily come off as a magic ring in the movies. Which means, yes, its the challenge to the studio to make a movie that sells the audience on it.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Whether its "actually" magic in the comics themselves or not, it certainly very easily come off as a magic ring in the movies. Which means, yes, its the challenge to the studio to make a movie that sells the audience on it.

On Oa, Hal was put through the induction process, Tomar Re explained the link with the Central Power Battery and the individual lanterns, and Hal was surprised to learn that the ring had made a neurological connection that gave him intergalactic knowledge. Anyone who watches that and just thinks "magic" isn't paying attention.

 

[The Guard]

Kind of a moot point when many didn't even see the movie.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Kind of a moot point when many didn't even see the movie.

If they didn't see the movie, and presumably haven't read the comics, why would WB or DC care about their expectations?

 

[TommyJones1945]

Whether its "actually" magic in the comics themselves or not, it certainly very easily come off as a magic ring in the movies. Which means, yes, its the challenge to the studio to make a movie that sells the audience on it.

How the hell did it come off as magic in the movie?????

 

[spider-neil]

For me a cool reason to have a corp ensemble is you can see the different style of constructs with the vastly different Green Lanterns.

John - Military
Simple, precise, gets the job done.
>>Spheres/Spikes

Kyle - Comic Artist
Wacky, imaginative, funny.
>>Mech warriors/giant swim suit models etc

Other Green Lanterns, including Hal with silver age boxing glove, aliens with alien otherworldy constructs. The potential is there.

 

[Lantern Venom]

For me a cool reason to have a corp ensemble is you can see the different style of constructs with the vastly different Green Lanterns.

John - Military
Simple, precise, gets the job done.
>>Spheres/Spikes

Kyle - Comic Artist
Wacky, imaginative, funny.
>>Mech warriors/giant swim suit models etc

Other Green Lanterns, including Hal with silver age boxing glove, aliens with alien otherworldy constructs. The potential is there.

John's constructs in the comics aren't always simple. Hal once made mention of John building his constructs "from the inside out", meaning that they often have a mechanical/inner working aspect. Even so, John can pull something unexpected out of his mind when necessary. One of my favorite John moments was during Blackest Night when he was surrounded by Black Lanterns. He said "time to fall in" and created an entire unit of US soldiers.

But you hit on a key criticism of the GL movie. Over at the GLC message boards, most members either liked or loved GL, but everyone essentially agreed that the constructs were too few and overly simplistic. I hope JLA changes that.

 

[spider-neil]

John's constructs in the comics aren't always simple. Hal once made mention of John building his constructs "from the inside out", meaning that they often have a mechanical/inner working aspect. Even so, John can pull something unexpected out of his mind when necessary. One of my favorite John moments was during Blackest Night when he was surrounded by Black Lanterns. He said "time to fall in" and created an entire unit of US soldiers.

But you hit on a key criticism of the GL movie. Over at the GLC message boards, most members either liked or loved GL, but everyone essentially agreed that the constructs were too few and overly simplistic. I hope JLA changes that.

There is a scene in the JLA run with Morrison when the town is flooded and Kyle makes a giant balloon head with a straw to such up all the water. Really imaginative. Now contrast that with how Hal deals with the helicopter crashing, or how he escapes the Sun's gravitational pull. Very wrote, very meh. The only time I'm engaged in the entire movie was the training sequence which was freaking awesome but over in a flash.

 

[brainchild81]

You really undermine your argument when you say "magic" ring. You might well know plenty about the mythos, but it makes it seem like you don't.

Also, if the GA sheeple walk away from JLA still caring only about Batman and Superman, then it's their loss. They can go back to their mindless reality TV. At least JLA will have had the chance it has deserved for so long.

I could be wrong, but I think you're missing the point he's making. It can easily look like magic to the GA.

If the GA walks away from a JL film caring only about Bats&Supes, they're not losing a damn thing. They just haven't gained anything. The loss is potentially WB/DC's. They're spending a lot of cash making a film about multiple heroes. They've failed big time if the GA still doesn't give a **** about the other heroes. Otherwise, they'd be better off just making a World's finest flick. If they wanna make money w/non Bats/Supes films afterwards, they need the GA to support them at the box office.

It seems like you have something against the GA. I wish more people were into comic books also &I hate how the GA's made Twilight a successful franchise but I don't think that a negative attitude/disrespect towards the GA would be a good thing for WB/DC to have. These "sheeple" are crucial to the film's success more than any other factor

 

[dario2739]

Green Lantern is a great character, and the Corps are a great backdrop for a story - however I think the mistake (well the main mistake anyway) the first movie made was trying to show you everything at once.
It should have had Hal given the ring by Abin Sur, and the rest of the film should have been based solely on earth, with Corps members turning up at the end to reveal to him the ring's true significance an to whip him off to Oa, thus setting up the possible sequel.
As for comments about not caring about the guy with the ring – if you can make audiences care about the guy with the 'magic' hammer then you can make them care about GL... it's all down to how good the movie is!
DC need to stop worrying about making comic book movies and embrace their characters... it's not 'The Blur' and 'The Hood' or 'Arrow' – it's Superman and Green Arrow for gods sake... take a leaf out of Marvel's book... stay true to the characters and make a respectful film... oh and make his costume look a bit better!

 

[The Guard]

I could be wrong, but I think you're missing the point he's making. It can easily look like magic to the GA.

Pretty much this.

And the fact that whatever they think it is, they obviously just weren't that enthralled by the concept.

 

[dario2739]

Pretty much this.

And the fact that whatever they think it is, they obviously just weren't that enthralled by the concept.

Sorry I don't agree at all – what general movie goers weren't enthralled by is a mediocre film - a faithfull rendition, with a more engaging villain, and better constructs (no hot wheels track this time!) could - and would be at least as big a hit as any Marvel/DC film... and the Guardians of the Galaxy could shape up to show that a space-themed movie could be a hit too...
...it's not the character of GL that is at fault, it was the movie.

 

[TommyJones1945]

Pretty much this.

And the fact that whatever they think it is, they obviously just weren't that enthralled by the concept.

You really shouldn't make an assessment you can't back up.

 

[The Guard]

Sorry I don't agree at all – what general movie goers weren't enthralled by is a mediocre film - a faithfull rendition, with a more engaging villain, and better constructs (no hot wheels track this time!) could - and would be at least as big a hit as any Marvel/DC film... and the Guardians of the Galaxy could shape up to show that a space-themed movie could be a hit too...
...it's not the character of GL that is at fault, it was the movie.

Except that it's kind of hard for them to assess whether they were enthralled with said film when they didn't, by and large, actually see it. We can talk about what the critics thought. Seems to me that most general audiences didn't see the film. Hence it not making much money.

You really shouldn't make an assessment you can't back up.

So audiences WERE enthralled with the concept of the Green Lantern film?

 

[TommyJones1945]

So audiences WERE enthralled with the concept of the Green Lantern film?

Audiences didn't like the movie cus it sucked. The Green Lantern Movie and the Green Lantern Concept are two different things.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

They didn't do a good enough job of selling the concept. There's not a single money shot in the trailers that makes the ring/constructs seem awesome.

That being said, even if it was done right, the Green Lantern concept has much less appeal than say Iron Man, Thor, Superman, etc.

"Will power energy"/ a magic ring as a weapon just isn't as accessible as robots, super strength, guns, a giant ass hammer, etc.

 

[brainchild81]

Well said

 

[spider-neil]

Green Lantern is a great character, and the Corps are a great backdrop for a story - however I think the mistake (well the main mistake anyway) the first movie made was trying to show you everything at once.
It should have had Hal given the ring by Abin Sur, and the rest of the film should have been based solely on earth, with Corps members turning up at the end to reveal to him the ring's true significance an to whip him off to Oa, thus setting up the possible sequel.
As for comments about not caring about the guy with the ring – if you can make audiences care about the guy with the 'magic' hammer then you can make them care about GL... it's all down to how good the movie is!
DC need to stop worrying about making comic book movies and embrace their characters... it's not 'The Blur' and 'The Hood' or 'Arrow' – it's Superman and Green Arrow for gods sake... take a leaf out of Marvel's book... stay true to the characters and make a respectful film... oh and make his costume look a bit better!

I thought the mistake was having Hal on Earth as long as they did. Pretty all the scenes from GL I like happen off world and pretty much all the scenes on Earth I thought were lame.

 

[TommyJones1945]

They didn't do a good enough job of selling the concept. There's not a single money shot in the trailers that makes the ring/constructs seem awesome.

That being said, even if it was done right, the Green Lantern concept has much less appeal than say Iron Man, Thor, Superman, etc.

"Will power energy"/ a magic ring as a weapon just isn't as accessible as robots, super strength, guns, a giant ass hammer, etc.

Srsly man??? You did just read the part where scar said it wasn't magic.

Anyways, the bolded part is subjective. Power rings are no more accessible than kryptonian powers, magic hammers or Iron man style armor.

 

[Lantern Venom]

There is a scene in the JLA run with Morrison when the town is flooded and Kyle makes a giant balloon head with a straw to such up all the water. Really imaginative. Now contrast that with how Hal deals with the helicopter crashing, or how he escapes the Sun's gravitational pull. Very wrote, very meh. The only time I'm engaged in the entire movie was the training sequence which was freaking awesome but over in a flash.

That's why Kyle is my favorite Lantern. I never knew what he was going to create next. In Faster Friends, he was being menaced by a polar bear, so he created a giant, evil Santa Claus to defend him.

I could be wrong, but I think you're missing the point he's making. It can easily look like magic to the GA.

If the GA walks away from a JL film caring only about Bats&Supes, they're not losing a damn thing. They just haven't gained anything. The loss is potentially WB/DC's. They're spending a lot of cash making a film about multiple heroes. They've failed big time if the GA still doesn't give a **** about the other heroes. Otherwise, they'd be better off just making a World's finest flick. If they wanna make money w/non Bats/Supes films afterwards, they need the GA to support them at the box office.

It seems like you have something against the GA. I wish more people were into comic books also &I hate how the GA's made Twilight a successful franchise but I don't think that a negative attitude/disrespect towards the GA would be a good thing for WB/DC to have. These "sheeple" are crucial to the film's success more than any other factor

Let me take the gloves off here: if someone watches GL (or any Lantern energy) and simply thinks "magic", they either have a limited attention span or limited intelligence. Even the Corps of the Spectrum have rings that are based on Oan technology. When Sinestro asked for the Guardians to harness fear energy, it was obvious that the rings are technological conduits, not magic wands.

As for the live-action JLA, it should simply be a case of "don't mess with what works". Man of Steel wasn't afraid to embrace Superman as a displaced, disenfranchised alien. It showed an essential side of him that the other Supes' movies only touched on. That was a risk, but it set MOS apart.

JLA can't shy away from Themyscira, Oa, or any of the other strange lands/ concepts in DC's universe. Yes, they want the $10 from the casual moviegoer, but it's more important to satisfy the person who is already spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on DC/WB merch and the NEW fan who might become this way because of JLA.

 

[spider-neil]

That's why Kyle is my favorite Lantern. I never knew what he was going to create next. In Faster Friends, he was being menaced by a polar bear, so he created a giant, evil Santa Claus to defend him.

Awesome
There is an issue where there is a massive explosion so Kyle makes a giant safe to protect himself and then makes a giant butler to open the door of the safe when the explosion is over.

 

[metaphysician]

Let me take the gloves off here: if someone watches GL (or any Lantern energy) and simply thinks "magic", they either have a limited attention span or limited intelligence. Even the Corps of the Spectrum have rings that are based on Oan technology. When Sinestro asked for the Guardians to harness fear energy, it was obvious that the rings are technological conduits, not magic wands.

I think you continue to completely miss the point. The movie can say "Oan technology" however much it wants. If it comes off as "stuff happens, because magic", then its still a 'magic ring' narratively speaking: Its still basically a arbitrary plot device in ring form, lacking in a coherent and well-sold theme and purpose.

You can entirely do a Green Lantern movie without the 'magic ring' problem, *even if the ring actually can do anything*. You could use the ring as an allegory for how nothing can happen without the drive to see it happen. You could set the main theme as 'power and responsibility', with the plot explicitly grappling with what it means to be able to do anything. Hell, you could even simply pick your style to create the *illusion* that the ring has technological limits and rules, rather than being arbitrary space magic, even if it practically does whatever the plot demands.

Its just, the Green Lantern movie we actually got didn't *do* these things, or at least do them well enough to be worth mentioning.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Green Lantern is a great character, and the Corps are a great backdrop for a story - however I think the mistake (well the main mistake anyway) the first movie made was trying to show you everything at once.
It should have had Hal given the ring by Abin Sur, and the rest of the film should have been based solely on earth, with Corps members turning up at the end to reveal to him the ring's true significance an to whip him off to Oa, thus setting up the possible sequel.
As for comments about not caring about the guy with the ring – if you can make audiences care about the guy with the 'magic' hammer then you can make them care about GL... it's all down to how good the movie is!

I agree with the above.