Green Lantern reccomendations

[BrianWilly]

Oh, I dunno. I liked that comic in general, but any real personality (of any of the characters, not just the GL in question) takes a pretty big backseat to all that plot going on.

 

[webhead921]

I just finished reading rebirth and am beginning to read no fear. I have a question, though. In what story does Kyle re-ignite the central power battery, and when exactly do the guardians return? Thanks.

 

[yenaled]

He did that in Ion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's probably in the Green Lantern: The Power of Ion trade.

 

[Aristotle]

No, he did that as Ion. Not in the miniseries Ion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was back when he was actually cool as Ion, before Ion was converted into a space whale and reduced in power to basically a living GL ring.

 

[Hush]

That was at the very end of the, The Power of ION trade like Corp said and as far as I can tell they basically just called him the torchbearer.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I like that title. I wish they'd use it more often. Guy should be the only other person in GLC who's like, "Torchbearer Schmorchbearer, I knew this kid when he didn't have a clue."

 

[The Eagle Host]

Yeah, that was back when he was actually cool as Ion, before Ion was converted into a space whale and reduced in power to basically a living GL ring.

I don't think Ion was converted, Kyle just reused the name. The first time he was Ion, he had the power of the entire GL Corps, which practically made him a god (possibly an argument that more than one ring actually does make someone more powerful). The second time he was Ion, he was just the avatar of the GL Corps; significantly less powerful, and pretty much unrelated to the first incarnation as Ion except for group affiliation.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't mean Ion the being(s) was literally converted, I meant the name.

 

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, that was back when he was actually cool as Ion, before Ion was converted into a space whale and reduced in power to basically a living GL ring.

Technically, that didn't happen until Sinestro Corps War. The 2006-7 Ion wasn't a space whale yet.

I don't think Ion was converted, Kyle just reused the name. The first time he was Ion, he had the power of the entire GL Corps, which practically made him a god (possibly an argument that more than one ring actually does make someone more powerful). The second time he was Ion, he was just the avatar of the GL Corps; significantly less powerful, and pretty much unrelated to the first incarnation as Ion except for group affiliation.

Technically, if you follow the retcon all the way through to its logical conclusion (origin?), the Ion entity was present way back in Winick's run as well. Kyle had it when he absorbed the totality of the CPB, and it was a part of him just like Parallax was a part of Hal. Then he gave part of it to Jade, and when she died she gave it back to him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Technically, that didn't happen until Sinestro Corps War. The 2006-7 Ion wasn't a space whale yet.

Technically, if you follow the retcon all the way through to its logical conclusion (origin?), the Ion entity was present way back in Winick's run as well. Kyle had it when he absorbed the totality of the CPB, and it was a part of him just like Parallax was a part of Hal. Then he gave part of it to Jade, and when she died she gave it back to him.

I thought Ion as an entity was "born" when Jade gave her funky Starheart/GL energy back to Kyle. Didn't the Guardians say that was the culmination of some grand experiment, foreshadowing (as we would later come to learn) Ion the space whale's birth?

 

[Aristotle]

possibly an argument that more than one ring actually does make someone more powerful

Exactly. Also an argument in favor of that idea is ParHalLax getting stronger with each GL ring he stole, back in Emerald Twilight. When those two elements are kept in mind, John Stewart's power ring not being able to rebuild a planet because of power limitations, and the whole "Alpha Lanterns get a second ring" thing start to make more sense.

 

[BrianWilly]

I thought Ion as an entity was "born" when Jade gave her funky Starheart/GL energy back to Kyle. Didn't the Guardians say that was the culmination of some grand experiment, foreshadowing (as we would later come to learn) Ion the space whale's birth?

The grand experiment would be actually putting Ion in someone, I believe. Ion was always around; nothing was said about it being birthed out of whatever. Of course you have to consider that it's fairly evident no one at DC -- least of all Marz who wrote the Ion mini, or Gibbons who wrote the Rann/Thanagar IC Special -- had any idea that Ion was going to be the whale entity at all.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, yeah. I sometimes wonder if Johns kept that close to the vest because he knew someone would call him on how stupid an idea it was.

But, regardless, to go all the way back to the initial discussion, Kyle as Ion the first time around was, at the very least, clearly more than just the human host for Ion. He was vastly more powerful because he had the entire Central Power Battery's contents in him.

 

[BrianWilly]

Right, he had Ion in concurrence with having all the CPB. Just like Hal was "more than just the human host for" Parallax, when he was calling himself Parallax.

In the eyes of the entity retcons, of course. In the original stories, of course Hal just gained the CPB through illicit means and was corrupted and all that, while Kyle earned the CPB in good ways and used it for good etc.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

God, I hate that whale.

 

[BrianWilly]

Did you just quote a Free Willy villain on purpose? 'Cause that would be awesome.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... sure, we'll go with that, then.

 

[The Eagle Host]

Technically, if you follow the retcon all the way through to its logical conclusion (origin?), the Ion entity was present way back in Winick's run as well. Kyle had it when he absorbed the totality of the CPB, and it was a part of him just like Parallax was a part of Hal. Then he gave part of it to Jade, and when she died she gave it back to him.

If it was present back then, yeah, it was a part of Kyle when he went Super Sayian, but not in the same way Parallax was a part of Hal. Hal was possessed by Parallax, and thus Parallax's power was Hal's When Kyle became Ion the first time, he had ALL of the Green Lantern energy there was, space whale included. Kyle was not "possessed" by the whale as he was in the Ion maxi-series, nor as he was by Parallax during Sinestro Corps War.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Ion the whale never really possesses anyone. It's totally passive, just like any good willpower avatar should be.

 

[The Eagle Host]

Hence the quotation marks. I was just using the term to create analogy between Kyle + Ion and Hal + Parallax.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, I just like to ridicule the fact that the willpower avatar is completely passive whenever the slightest opportunity arises.

 

[The Eagle Host]

F*** Johns.