Guess who the new writer of runaways is.

[Colossal Spoons]

I prefer to echo you as you probe Jake for answers.

 

[Darthphere]

I prefer to echo you as you probe Jake for answers.

Probe sounds so dirty.

 

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, I can turn down a Whedon book. Serenity stuff, at least

Whaaaat

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...

...Well, yeah, actually I kinda turned down pretty much all of Angel season 3

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[Darthphere]

Whaaaat

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...

...Well, yeah, actually I kinda turned down pretty much all of Angel season 3

.

Youre smiley is having a seizure.

 

[Not Jake]

Bendis and Whedon both do this, both writing stories that could have cropped off an issue with some editting and nothing would have been lost to the story. This last ASTONISHING arc is dragging something terrible.

I don't really agree with your view of Astonishing's current arc, it doesn't feel like it's dragging to me at all, because it's entertaining. It is so entertaining. I love my little Eisner award-winning X-book, yes I do.

Bendis does it, yeah. I quit reading USM after Gwen Stacey died, so I caught most of the good USM, the stuff introducing all the classic villains, and I liked it up to that point, and I missed the "bad" stuff, the dragging, overkill stuff that everyone berates (at least until this latest clone saga arc). It was pretty decompressed. I do however have big love for his DD and Powers. You see, I don't have a problem with a story being dragged out over an extra issue or two, if the issues are all entertaining, filled with meaningful character moments, and good dialogue. Really, I find that in superhero comics, in which you know the main character will never die and nothing can really happen to change the status quo, the best part is the writer's characterization. From your posts, you seem to get pretty antsy about the story going slowly, especially in Astonishing, which is not one of the worst offenders. And again, it's filled with spot-on dialogue, both dramatic and humorous, and Whedon can write some pretty good action (though Cassaday makes it spectacular).

 

[The Question]

Sci-fi, western, and of course...pirates.

As opposed to Buffy and Angel, which were basically fantasy/samurai/ninja shows.



Wait. They actually kind of were.

 

[BrianWilly]

Youre smiley is having a seizure.

Well, it's like a seizure.

 

[hippy fascist]

samurai/ninja

totally different disciplines man

 

[Dread]

I don't really agree with your view of Astonishing's current arc, it doesn't feel like it's dragging to me at all, because it's entertaining. It is so entertaining. I love my little Eisner award-winning X-book, yes I do.

Bendis does it, yeah. I quit reading USM after Gwen Stacey died, so I caught most of the good USM, the stuff introducing all the classic villains, and I liked it up to that point, and I missed the "bad" stuff, the dragging, overkill stuff that everyone berates (at least until this latest clone saga arc). It was pretty decompressed. I do however have big love for his DD and Powers. You see, I don't have a problem with a story being dragged out over an extra issue or two, if the issues are all entertaining, filled with meaningful character moments, and good dialogue. Really, I find that in superhero comics, in which you know the main character will never die and nothing can really happen to change the status quo, the best part is the writer's characterization. From your posts, you seem to get pretty antsy about the story going slowly, especially in Astonishing, which is not one of the worst offenders. And again, it's filled with spot-on dialogue, both dramatic and humorous, and Whedon can write some pretty good action (though Cassaday makes it spectacular).

I like Astonishing overall, it's the only X-book I'm getting really. I guess it was because the last issue felt like a waste. The "prissy Logan" bit got worn out by last issue, so seeing it overmilked here sucked. Cyclops and Colossus are still out for a second issue in a row. Kitty fights Emma and then we get the reveal. All that could be done in maybe 10 pages, probably less in the old days. It just felt like an issue that obviously was meant to build up the next, and nothing of real value happened for most of the pages. Nothing. Writers like to compare it to manga when this happens, gleefully forgetting that manga is sold in 50-200 pages chunks while U.S. comics are in 22 page pops. It's not the same. What is well paced at 50 pages is slow as dumpwater if you chop it into 22 page bits. MANGA SPIDER-MAN faced that problem.

I'm still on USM, and the arcs have been hit or miss after CARNAGE (which was the first one I really disliked, on almost every level, not just about the death, but because Carnage was a waste). Clone Saga is looking up. But yeah, Whedon is a much better pick for Runaways than Bendis would have been, easy. Like I said in my last post, out of all of Marvel's half dozen A-Listers, he likely suits the title best. I can't imagine Millar, Bendis, or Brubaker writing a Runaways books that matches the tone of Vaughan. I could see Whedon pulling it off.

And all this without mentioning the artist? Michael Ryan looks to be a good fit. I've seen his work elsewhere and he does well with young characters.

Again, characterization is good. But anything can ware out it's welcome if you drag it.

 

[The Question]

totally different disciplines man

I know. As are being cowboys and being pirates.

 

[hippy fascist]

I know. As are being cowboys and being pirates.

cowboys and pirates are similar in a way though, ninjas/samurais were mortal enemies and their disciplines were exactly oposed to one and other

 

[Not Jake]

I must ask this as a follow up, what has changed about the book to you other than the guy writing it and the guy drawing it?

Like I said, it's no longer just a BKV book, it's BKV AND Whedon, I can't ignore that. The guys are like planets, with a gravitational pull that has made a ring of quality orbit around them. They're like Saturn, but funnier.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Hmmm

 

[The Question]

cowboys and pirates are similar in a way though, ninjas/samurais were mortal enemies and their disciplines were exactly oposed to one and other

Not really. One could be trained to be both a ninja and a samurai. And the ninja and the samurai were only enemies based on circumstance. The early ninja were vigilantes fighting samurai who were working for corrupt lords, However, later, when Japan was unified, the ninja became mercenaries and assasin, and they only really fought samurai if they were paid to.



In any event, Buffy and Angel were fantasy/samurai/ninja shows.

 

[Not Jake]

I like Astonishing overall, it's the only X-book I'm getting really. I guess it was because the last issue felt like a waste. The "prissy Logan" bit got worn out by last issue, so seeing it overmilked here sucked. Cyclops and Colossus are still out for a second issue in a row. Kitty fights Emma and then we get the reveal. All that could be done in maybe 10 pages, probably less in the old days. It just felt like an issue that obviously was meant to build up the next, and nothing of real value happened for most of the pages. Nothing. Writers like to compare it to manga when this happens, gleefully forgetting that manga is sold in 50-200 pages chunks while U.S. comics are in 22 page pops. It's not the same. What is well paced at 50 pages is slow as dumpwater if you chop it into 22 page bits. MANGA SPIDER-MAN faced that problem.

I'm still on USM, and the arcs have been hit or miss after CARNAGE (which was the first one I really disliked, on almost every level, not just about the death, but because Carnage was a waste). Clone Saga is looking up. But yeah, Whedon is a much better pick for Runaways than Bendis would have been, easy. Like I said in my last post, out of all of Marvel's half dozen A-Listers, he likely suits the title best. I can't imagine Millar, Bendis, or Brubaker writing a Runaways books that matches the tone of Vaughan. I could see Whedon pulling it off.

And all this without mentioning the artist? Michael Ryan looks to be a good fit. I've seen his work elsewhere and he does well with young characters.

Again, characterization is good. But anything can ware out it's welcome if you drag it.

Bah, I'm glad he's given Pansy Wolverine time to breathe, the joke didn't wear itself out after the first issue it appeared in, like you so frequently argue (it was only there for a few pages, anyway) and Blue Moose only led to even more funny the next issue. Seriously, I can't even count how much good stuff Whedon put in Wolvie's mouth, my favorite was I met an oriental.

Seriously, I don't know why you're not on the Pansy Wolvie train, he's taken way too seriously most of the time. But whatever. IT'S CUTE JOSS I GET IT NOW GET BACK TO THE BRILLIANT SUPERHERO COMICBOOK PLOT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I LOVE MOST, YOU KNOW

 

[SpideyInATree]

Take a look.Well as soon as that happens the title will sell higher up on the list. and I will more than likely drop it. Unlike most people I don't really like him.

Why don't you at least try it out and see if you like what he does? I mean, if you really like the Runaways title now he'll obviously be continuing what Vaughn laid down, I find it rather petty you'd drop a great title like this because you don't like the writer that was chosen to replace the current team.

Yeah, maybe you won't like it. But there is always a chance that you'll like it and be able to continue with the ongoing saga. Don't be all Spider-Man fan about it.

 

[Darthphere]

Why don't you at least try it out and see if you like what he does? I mean, if you really like the Runaways title now he'll obviously be continuing what Vaughn laid down, I find it rather petty you'd drop a great title like this because you don't like the writer that was chosen to replace the current team.

Yeah, maybe you won't like it. But there is always a chance that you'll like it and be able to continue with the ongoing saga. Don't be all Spider-Man fan about it.

What if CHuck Austen was writing Runaways? Wouldnt that be reason enough to drop it. According to your post, its not.

 

[Darthphere]

Like I said, it's no longer just a BKV book, it's BKV AND Whedon, I can't ignore that. The guys are like planets, with a gravitational pull that has made a ring of quality orbit around them. They're like Saturn, but funnier.

I dont understand this logic. In essence thats like saying FF is both a mark Waid and JMS book.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

What if Austen wrote it.....AND Bachalo drew it?

somebody hold me

 

[Darthphere]

What if Austen wrote it.....AND Bachalo drew it?

somebody hold me

The horror.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I think that would be my ultimate nightmare. The exact opposite of my Slott/Coipel dream.

 

[Darthphere]

I think that would be my ultimate nightmare. The exact opposite of my Slott/Coipel dream.

Chuck Austen/Rob Liefeld on a Bill Jemas lead project.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Chuck Austen/Rob Liefeld on a Bill Jemas lead project.

Ok, with Bachalo; I hate it b/c I can kind of tell what's on the page. I think Liefiend just has his kids scribble on pieces of paper so I cant' hate what I can't deceipher.

 

[The Question]

What if Austen wrote it.....AND Bachalo drew it?

somebody hold me

Remember when Bachalo used to not suck? Sometimes I cradle my Death: The High Cost of Living trade in my arms and weep for those days.

 

[SpideyInATree]

What if CHuck Austen was writing Runaways? Wouldnt that be reason enough to drop it. According to your post, its not.

Your example is a bit extreme.

Chuck Austen is no

Spoiler

Joss Whedon

And Vaughn, who personally picked his own replacement, isn't going to pick someone who's going to screw up his book right out the gate. And Marvel isn't even going to do that to a book like Runaways, especially since the characters can add so much to the entire Marvel Universe, namely in the years to come.

And I never read anything by Chuck Austen so I wouldn't know if he's as horrible as everyone here says he is.