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Guy Ritchie Revives A "King Arthur" Saga - Part 1

Its gonna be interesting to see how Aladdin turns out...

Next week's headline: Guy Ritchie "drops out" of Disney's Aladdin update.
Can't remember if I said it before in this thread or the Aladdin thread, but Disney is going to keep Ritchie on a very short leash if he stays on the project.
 
Story was good, acting was good, but there was one big problem. What was it again, oh yeah, I COULDN'T ****ING SEE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!

And YES, I saw it in 3D. GODDAMNIT Guy Richie, you're better than this!

Did anyone else who saw it in 3D have this problem? It was especially bad in scenes with dark areas or at night. Even in day it was very fuzzy and i have good eysight jsyk. No headaches or anything.
 
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Sure it wasnt a venue issue? If the theater didn't have the brightness set right or the projector's bulbs need replacing it could explain the brightness issues.
 
All the trailers for this movie look "dark" and I have heard multiple times it is hard to see in both 2D and 3D.
 
I can't hear Zack Snyder's name without hearing it in the voice Kermode does of him :funny:

I don't think it will top Kermode's Sex and the City 2 rant
I consider Bride Wars the Holy Grail of Kermode rants.:hehe:
 
Kermode is such a jackass. Haven't listened to him in years.
 
Story was good, acting was good, but there was one big problem. What was it again, oh yeah, I COULDN'T ****ING SEE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!

And YES, I saw it in 3D. GODDAMNIT Guy Richie, you're better than this!

Did anyone else who saw it in 3D have this problem? It was especially bad in scenes with dark areas or at night. Even in day it was very fuzzy and i have good eysight jsyk. No headaches or anything.



it was very dark indeed. I couldn't see a damn thing at all
 
How Warner Bros.’ $175M Costly ‘King Arthur’ Fell Off Its Horse At The B.O. With A $14.3M Opening
Anthony D'Alessandro said:
Really, how does a major studio spend $175M on a potential new franchise, and completely go bust at the box office?

After arguably eight years of starts and stops through various iterations, Warner Bros. has finally opened King Arthur: Legend of the Sword, the feature adaptation of a classic IP they’ve been so desperate to make, and to disastrous box office results of $14.3M stateside at 3,702 theaters and embarrassing reviews (27% Rotten Tomatoes rating). King Arthur is expected to fall third behind Disney/Marvel’s second weekend of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 at $61.9M (-58% with 10-day cume of $245M, 39% ahead of GOTG at same point in time), and 20th Century Fox/Chernin Entertainment’s R-rated Amy Schumer-Goldie Hawn movie Snatched with $16.5M. Warner Bros. shares some brunt of King Arthur‘s cost here with Village Roadshow who has been having a terrible streak after its co-financing on Ghostbusters, In the Heart of the Sea and Passengers.

In the current marketplace of haves and have nots at the B.O. where other studios envy Disney’s treasure trove of brands, Warner Bros. was determined to revive the King Arthur legend on the big screen, to the point of overthinking it.

Audiences showed little interest in King Arthur the last time he was brought to the screen 13 years ago in Jerry Bruckheimer’s Disney production ($120M negative cost, $51.9M domestic, $203.6M global), so why even try again?

It’s easy to blame King Arthur: Legend of the Sword‘s bombing on Warner Bros.’ overindulgence in classic IPs for the screen, and goodness knows, they haven’t won over moviegoers, i.e. Red Riding Hood ($42m negative cost, $89M global), Pan ($150M cost, $128M global), Jack the Giant Slayer ($195M cost, $197.7M global), etc. But King Arthur‘s failure goes far beyond being adapted from an antiquated tale, not to mention that old properties when intriguing and even sexy can work: Disney’s Oz, the Great and Powerful‘s near half billion at the B.O.

Some would also like to point the finger at hiring fresh-face Sons of Anarchy star Charlie Hunnam in the title role of King Arthur, but still, in this day and age we know it’s the brands that are bigger than the stars, and great untested actors rise to the occasion of a great movie, i.e. Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out, Russell Crowe in Gladiator, and arguably Jennifer Lawrence in Hunger Games. In fact, 47% of those who bought tickets last night came out for Hunnam, giving the movie an A- CinemaScore, while 51% came out because they enjoy King Arthur movies, giving it a B+.

But many sources tell Deadline that if there’s any blame to go around for Legend of the Sword’s disaster, it’s the post-Jeff Robinov era administration on the Burbank lot (preceding now president-chief content officer Toby Emmerich) who per one close source “didn’t care about storytelling and ham-fisted” this King Arthur together with Guy Ritchie, a filmmaker known more for flash over substance. In fact, given the number of versions that King Arthur went through, there were plenty of opportunities for Warner Bros. to get this right. At one point, higher-profile stars were considered: Colin Farrell as King Arthur and Gary Oldman as Merlin. Many say that King Arthur‘s fate might be different in a Robinov-led studio given the former boss’ razor-sharp filmmaking sensibilities and finesse in steering directors.

While there are several credited on the Legend of the Sword script, many say it is Ritchie and Lionel Wigram’s version that made it to the screen. “He’s stylish and he needs to get a better producer,” remarked one insider on Ritchie’s second overspend here following his 2015 bomb The Man From U.N.C.L.E. ($75M negative cost, $110M global B.O.). “Who’s advising him?,” commented another. “Why would he go backwards with an old property like King Arthur? He’s very talented, they should hand him an established property like a DC movie.” (Ritchie’s next film is Disney’s live version of Aladdin). King Arthur‘s lofty costs began after an early cut of the film failed to test well. “It was a train wreck,” says one personal publicist with knowledge of the situation. This prompted reshoots with some post production departments working over the last two years on King Arthur.

Sure, it’s always easy to yell at the studio marketing division whenever a movie goes sideways, but in the case of King Arthur, it was an uphill battle for the WB pros who’ve opened multiple DC superhero movies and Harry Potter films. Ritchie’s King Arthur is filled with imagery we’ve soon too often before from Lord of the Rings, Braveheart and Clash of the Titans. At times it’s a quiet, dialogue-driven PBS period movie with understated performances, then a confused mess of flashbacks, including cameos by Voldemort’s snake, the Lord of the Rings elephants, and a knight who looks like Immortan Joe from Mad Max. There were few assets here to hook audiences.

And despite WB distribution jumping King Arthur around the calendar four times, the reality is that there isn’t any date that could be considered prime for this film. If anything you can say that the Warner Bros. development suite lingered too long on the movie to the point where it’s too late for its time. When the studio shelled out $2M after a bidding war for David Dobkin’s Arthur & Lancelot in June 2011, HBO’s Game of Thrones was nearing the end of its first season. Given how that series became the benchmark for solid medieval fantasy, why would fans of the genre leave their homes and spend $15 at the multiplex?

Hindsight being 20/20, here’s how King Arthur‘s march to the big screen went down. In August 2009, WB and Legendary labored for months to get the film rights for John Boorman’s cult classic Excalibur so that Bryan Singer could remake it. That film never came to be. By June 2011, WB took to Dobkin’s take which he was poised to direct with Lionel Wigram, Richard Suckle and Charles Roven producing and Jeff Kleeman serving as EP. The pic was originally budgeted at $90M and was eyeing a March 15, 2013 release. Dobkin’s King Arthur was something that those under 25 could hang their hats on: About a younger generation sizing up an older generation. Arthur was a reluctant young hero in pulling the sword out of the stone in an oppressive kingdom akin to a 1942 Gestapo-run Warsaw. Arthur then becomes the most wanted man in the kingdom, with a group of rebels rallying around him to be king. The project was greenlighted and fell apart twice, during the Robinov and Greg Silverman administrations. Kit Harrington was to play Arthur with Joel Kinnaman as Lancelot. By December 2011, WB balked at the project: the pairing were unproven screen commodities and the film’s production cost surged to $130M. Three months later, the project was alive with Colin Farrell as Arthur and Gary Oldman as Merlin, but those talks dried up. Also in the mix at the studio during the summer 2011 was a Ritchie version of King Arthur with Trainspotting‘s John Hodge writing. That also didn’t materialize.

Dobkin went off and made The Judge. By the time that film wrapped, Warners had changed its mind on his version, and fell in love with Joby Harold’s King Arthur pitch which was to span several sequels, each focusing on a different Camelot character in an Avengers-Star Wars universe-sense with all the characters ultimately coming together in one movie. One insider tells us that Warner Bros. executives were blown away by Harold’s vision; the project’s fantasy beast artwork was a cross between 300 and Clash of the Titans. Deadline was informed that Harold’s vision never materialized in Ritchie’s final cut. By January 2014, King Arthur was becoming a reality with Ritchie behind the camera and writing alongside Wigram. With all of these different versions of Arthur floating around, and producers hopping between projects, one source tells Deadline that the situation was “incestuous,” resulting in the Writers Guild auditing both screenplays, only to realize that the studio was folding one into the other. In the end, Wigram, Ritchie and Harold are credited as the screenwriters, Harold also received a story by credit and Dobkin earned story and EP credits. By August 2014, Ritchie selected Hunnam to play Arthur.

“They wanted to corner the brand and own it,” says another insider about Warner Bros.’ hastiness to bring King Arthur to the screen. Given the entire headache that ensued from the various iterations of King Arthur, one can see why studios are now taking a writers’ room approach to franchises like Transformers, Godzilla vs. Kong and the WB Animation group. “The desire for studios to form these new brain trusts – they just want to get things done faster, everyone is so hungry to nail the brand,” says one lit agent.

In the end, another executive informed us that the final test scores for Legend of the Sword were quite high. If that’s the case, it explains the pic’s glowing B+ CinemaScore tonight (however Screen Engine/PostTrak shows a lackluster 78% total positive). The one demographic who enjoyed the crowd were 18-24 year olds who gave King Arthur an A-, but they only repped 14% of the CinemaScore crowd. On PostTrak, there was a strong turnout by men at 57%, with 78% over 25. CinemaScore a similar skew with 59% guys, 77% over 25.

The next shoe to drop for Warner Bros. among its risky, dusty old IP feature adaptations is The Jungle Book: Origins which arrives on Oct. 19, 2018, more than two years after Disney’s near $1 billion B.O. success with its live action remake of its Rudyard Kipling-sourced animated toon. And though logic prevails that WB should end its streak of classic titles, one producer says don’t blame the property, blame the filmmaker. Great films come from emotionally captivating scripts and characters.

Says the producer, “I don’t buy that theory that old IP never works at the box office. Old IP is the most valuable ***** in the world. Sure, God bless original stuff, but these classic brands are timeless. Just look what Jon Favreau did with The Jungle Book. It’s what you want from a Hollywood movie: The kid grows up before your eyes. Just when someone says you can’t make a great pirates movie, someone kicks down the door and does it, or Ridley Scott resurrects the sword and sandal movie with Gladiator. Of course, you can always go back.”
 
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I completely forgot about WB's Jungle Book. We already had the Disney version...WB's going to bomb.
 
It shows how far behind some of these studios are with their thinking and handling of these IPs. The idea of branding isn't new, but doing things 'faster' must include 'smarter'.
 
Capone says Guy Ritchie's KING ARTHUR: LEGEND OF THE SWORD is more style than substance!!!
Capone said:
Charlie Hunnam (PACIFIC RIM, THE LOST CITY OF Z) plays the man who would be king as a young man unaware of his royal heritage. He’s actually the son of the previous king, Uther (Eric Bana), who was usurped by his beloved brother Vortigern (Jude Law). There is the obligatory drawing of the sword Excalibur from the stone by Arthur, but when the sword begins to glow blue and pulls Arthur into blood battles that he doesn’t even remember after the fact, we begin to realize that this story is about powers and not about valor, nobility, or sacrifice—traits a real king would cherish and seek to enhance.
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Did Tsujihara greenlight this? Is this on him?
 
WB is such a **** show now. Let's see if Emmerich can right the ship.
 
Pan, Live by Night, King Arthur, Tarzan, Man from UNCLE.... any other big budget duds I'm forgetting?
Why the **** would you spend so much money making these movies? How detached are the Hollywood executives who make those sort of decisions?
 
After the scathing reviews, it's insult to injury that it lost to an Amy Schumer movie this weekend.
 
The whole process of King Arthur from 2011 to now sounds like a total **** show. It started with Arthur and Lancelot and ultimately it morphed into what we see now. What's weird though is the suggestion that Oldman and Farrell would've made this bigger. I doubt it.

IMHO it sort of reminds me of Ridley Scott's Robin Hood. That project started as a twist on the original legend. It was going to be a story from the perspective of the Sheriff of Nottingham as the protagonist. Then it basically morphed into Robin Hood Begins, with the older Russell Crowe as Robin Hood. So basically a remake of Prince of Thieves.

I'm not saying Sheriff of Nottingham would've been successful. But at least that was a different interesting take. Also, the script that was going around town for that version was very popular.

You can read more about that here. Just a nice example of the warped way projects get developed.

https://sex-in-a-sub.blogspot.com/2010/05/robbing-from-poor-writer.html?
 
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Planned to see it this Monday, but I'll wait till next Monday so I can watch it with friends
 
Personally I think Farrell tends to shine better playing quirky roles in indie movies or villains over traditional Hollywood leading man roles.

Farrell's track record as a leading man in Hollywood movies very poor. He rarely stars in anything that turns a profit with him as a traditional lead.

I doubt a Farrell King Arthur movie would of been any more successful.
 
Did Tsujihara greenlight this? Is this on him?

It was a huge mistake to hire him (though I was happy that an Asian dude was controlling the studio at first).

As a studio, yes, you should care about the BO, the branding, etc.

But Tsujihara doesn't feel like he's a film guy, and felt like his path in WB was all incidental. It seems like he soley just cares about catching up, and creating 'brands' fast without doing it right.
 

I would really love a good epic King Arthur movie. I was looking forward to 2004 King Arthur and then the different iterations of this until I read the rumors during filming.

Shame.

I completely forgot about WB's Jungle Book. We already had the Disney version...WB's going to bomb.

Yeah shame about this too. I at least hope it's good
 
The seams started to come apart once the Harry Potter series and the TDK trilogy wrapped up. Fantastic Beasts and the DCEU can only do so much.
 
If he gets somebody like Jason Statham to voice Iago or something then maybe I'll be fine with him doing Aladdin.
 

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