'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[Darkness Falls]

well friday is a knock off of halloween so yea they would be

 

[CelticPredator]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

well friday is a knock off of halloween so yea they would be

And I'm sure you could say Halloween is a rip off of something else. Whats your point?

 

[Darkness Falls]

And I'm sure you could say Halloween is a rip off of something else. Whats your point?

ffs it was a response to some one on the previous page

they were talking about how similar the two are

no need to get defensive

 

[DACrowe]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

Eh. Hate Zombie's Halloweens or not, they really don't look anything like any recent FT13 movie or any old ones. The FT13 movies, even the remake, are always extremely bad films with poor plots about a silent masked killer who stalks in a level pace his victims (notably a female protagonist) through the woods on special "scary days" of the year. Yeah, the premise of FT13 is a huge rip off of Halloween, but even the worst Halloween movies (okay not Resurrection) are usually made with a little more creativity or originality than the Ft13 movies. Look at the remakes. Whether he failed or not (I think he partially succeeded in 2007's but failed in H2), Zombie tried to reinfuse the character with artistic integrity. The FT13 remake is most remembered for showing "teen" girls' breasts. I'd still take RZ's Halloween films over FT13 any day of the week.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Jason never had powers though, other than constant resurrection.

He had super strength and teleportation. Thats super powers, Jason was on his Superman stuff then.

 

[Majik1387]

Again, he always had that strength, and as for "teleportation", all slashers had that, the only time it looked annoying to me was in the F13 Manhattan.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Micheal Myers had teleportation? I did not know that.

Jason was strong but not Superman strong. I mean the guy popped some dudes eyes out.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

This is Rob's vision of Michael Myers. His own Michael Myers.

 

[Fresh Prince]

This is Rob's vision of Michael Myers. His own Michael Myers.

And I respect that and love your avatar.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

ffs it was a response to some one on the previous page

they were talking about how similar the two are

no need to get defensive

I'm not getting defensive. I'm just saying everything borrows from everything.

there really is no exact person who came up with the idea and the rest "stole or copied" it.

 

[bullets]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

This is actually not true . Once Friday the 13th came along there was a competition in both franchise that involved upping the kills .

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ True, but still, the Halloween films were never as violent.

 

[Majik1387]

Because it has a better story.

 

[Fresh Prince]

^^ True, but still, the Halloween films were never as violent.

Until now.

 

[bullets]

They were close though . I'd say Zombie has gone beyond Friday the 13th and Halloween in that sense because his films seem more real I guess.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Halloween is classic because of it's more focus on suspense and the build up rather than blood and gore. And there is almost none in the original, and used sparingly. And it works.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I hope the reboot, if they do one in the future, focus on the suspense more then blood and gore.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I saw it tonight, I'll put my entire review in spoiler tags because there are quite a few mixed in. In short, I thought it was a little better than the remake, but still an awful film, probably the second worst film I've seen in theatres this year behind Transformers 2.

Spoiler

I guess I may lean toward this being somewhat better than RZH, but it's still quite bad.

I liked Brackett and Annie, I felt for both Laurie and Brackett when they found their friend/daughter dead, I liked how visceral the kills were although they get a bit too over the top at times (ie. Michael crushing a man's face to a pile of mush with a few stomps), and Laurie's psychological descent was a good concept, but it's rather poorly executed, as even Rob's good ideas in his Halloween films ended up being; and there isn't really a big difference between a good idea executed badly and a bad idea.

This is a ridiculously uneven film. Rob's "vision" is all over the place, and quite often makes little to no narrative sense.

Loomis was HORRIBLE. I didn't like Rob's depiction of him in the first film, but Loomis in this isn't even Loomis, and after an entire film of watching him come off of a laughable parody of the typical media ****e, Rob decides to have him show up and try to "reason" with Michael for no other reason that Rob seemed to suddenly realize "oh yeah, this is Sam Loomis...one of the greatest characters ever in the genre...he's supposed to be more than just a 1D heartless prick...so I'll throw this in here."

Laurie's trauma is apparently so strong that repeatedly sparks visions of young Michael and Deborah Myers...two people that she hasn't seen since she was an infant yet are now suddenly just as present in her psyche as they are in that of adult Michael...that doesn't even make sense by the standards of a psychopath...if someone losing their mind is going to be haunted by visions of figures that had an impact in their lives, it would be much more fitting if those figures had actually been in their lives. I liked the white horse metaphor, but atleast as it pertains to Laurie, this idea was executed in an almost unintentionally funny way.

The out of place trashyness carried over from previous films, and it was just as aggrevating having to suffer through it here as it was in RZH. I don't see Michael randomly burst into a strip club just for the hell of it and slaughter a dancer, a jackass bouncer and a sleazy club owner after listening to them ramble on with the typical vulgar redneck tripe I've come accustomed to from Zombie...and I don't need to listen to rants from paramedics about how horny they get at the thought of having sex with corpses...and I don't need to hear a young girl talk about how she'd like a "golden shower" when a guy says he needs to take a piss when I'm at a Halloween film.

Between an almost impossibly hackneyed depiction of Loomis, the typical Zombie trashyness at the party and what I previously mentioned, and the rather inane study of Laurie's psyche, the film is just all over the place, and some parts feel like they're part of a totally different movie than others.

Michael apparently decided to leave the party where Laurie, his primary target was, so that he could go to the Loomis house and kill Annie who wasn't really his objective in the first place, going by the assumption that he didn't know Laurie was at the party and he went to find at where she was living, a.) what the hell was he doing at the party in the first place other than just randomly killing people that have nothing to do with his objective, and b.) how the hell did he know she was living there in the first place?
It's as though Rob didn't know if he wanted his version of Michael to be a psycho on a mission, or just some big brute that wanders around and murders at random...the final result is a hackneyed combination of the two.

I just hope to God this is Rob's final Halloween endeavor...and I really hope that a reboot follows. I like almost nothing about the direction he's taken with this series. I don't like the way that he characterized Michael at all and I'd prefer that this version of Michael never be seen onscreen again, I don't want Mane back as Myers and I don't want Michael to be a second rate Jason imitation that's trying to recreate broken memories from his otherwise warped childhood. If with another filmmaker at the helm, this version of Michael will never be nearly as effective of a villain as the character that I've loved since I was a kid.
If I want to see this type of slasher done properly, I'll just watch the F13 reboot.

I was glad to see Brad Dourif be given something relevant to do, he's my favorite cast member of the main charactes from Zombie's Halloween films and he was given nothing of interest to do at all in the remake. Sheriff Bracket was one of the few bright spots in this mess of a Halloween film.

Overall, whether this is better than the remake or not isn't even all that important since neither of them are very close to being good anyway, and this film is just another reason to curse the day that Rob Zombie signed on the dotted line to work on this series.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Am I the only person here who actually LOVED Loomis in H2? I don't mean I cheered for him, because he was a total *****...but I loved that change of character.

Am I alone here? Everyone seems to hate Loomis in this film, but I really enjoyed his character.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I thought he really good!

 

[Nightmare]

I thought they ruined the Legend of Loomis. Wish it would of been a different character all together.

 

[Nivek]

I liked it, it's still the same Dr. Phil-ish/ Wayne Gale/ CWO Doctor type personality from the first film, so it didn't bother me that he became an even bigger *****e. It would have been kinda repeating the same mistakes of Halloween 4-6 to have him be an aggressive paranoid hunter/ mad man.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Loomis was already on the road to *****ebagdom in the remake, so I don't know why people are surprised by his character here.

 

[SsM]

I liked it, it's still the same Dr. Phil-ish/ Wayne Gale/ CWO Doctor type personality from the first film, so it didn't bother me that he became an even bigger *****e. It would have been kinda repeating the same mistakes of Halloween 4-6 to have him be an aggressive paranoid hunter/ mad man.

I agree, I think that is where a personality like that would go after being in the near death experience RZ Loomis went through.