'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[NotFadeAway]

I disagree. It just looks gross, and to be honest, it makes Michael looks more like Leatherface than Michael Myers.

Michael has always been rather clean cut. The best parts of the original are seeing him pop up in that bright white mask, where you can't even see his eyes. Just blackness. A great example from the original is when Laurie is standing in the upstairs hallway, thinking its over, and Michael's white mask materializes from the darkness behind Laurie.

Another great look for Michael was in Part 6, as I said. That mask is actually very similar to the originals, but with longer hair and Michael is a little bigger. He starts off with the clean jumpsuit and mask, but as the movie goes along and he gets beat up, it's reflected by the blood on his jumpsuit. It also looks really cool that Michael has scars all along the back of his hands from the explosion in Part 2. IMO, Michael was the most frightening in Part 6.

That's how I would have done it in the remake.

Thats the character that Rob Zombie acted as if he was remaking, not Michael Myers. Sad thing is, Zombie would have been perfect for TCM, or even Friday the 13th, just not Halloween. With that being said, the movie wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, and therefor I will see the 2nd in theaters.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

Thats the character that Rob Zombie acted as if he was remaking, not Michael Myers. Sad thing is, Zombie would have been perfect for TCM, or even Friday the 13th, just not Halloween. With that being said, the movie wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, and therefor I will see the 2nd in theaters.

Didn't even think of that. Too bad he didn't direct the Chainsaw remake, would've been 50x better than what we got. His style would have fit perfectly.

 

[Marx]

Didn't even think of that. Too bad he didn't direct the Chainsaw remake, would've been 50x better than what we got. His style would have fit perfectly.

The Chainsaw remake was a very good remake.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

 

[Marx]

Thank you for responding intelligently.

 

[The Joker]

I've no real complaints about the mask. I actually quite like it.

 

[Nivek]

God, I hate reading the nit picky biatching about everything Zoombie does.

I for one loved the design of the new mask, It makes sence Michael isn't walking around in a clean white mask. Heres a little detail most of you halloween fans overlook, outside of the lame H20 and it's lame "Michael gets his ass handed to him by busta" sequel, has Michael ever had a clean mask? Please put up pictures showing that clean white mask.

 

[Majik1387]

Halloween and the sequel were the only ones where his mask was clean.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

It's actually was NEVER clean clean. In Halloween it was a bit dirty looking, but not as grunged up as the remake. Halloween 2....FREAKING DIRTY AS A HOOKER AT THE END OF THE WEEK!! It was dirty looking, and it showed, it was worn down looking and had spent the best part of 2 years being kicked around in Debra Hill's house.

The only time I remember it being clean looking was 4 and 7. The rest of the time, it was a bit smudged looking.

Zombie's Halloween, the mask was dirty and torn, BUT it had a backstory as to why it looked like that. The mask was perfectly fine and clean when first shown, but Michael stored it way where it spent the next 18 years colleting dust and being nawled at by mice and such.

 

[The Joker]

Halloween and the sequel were the only ones where his mask was clean.

Halloween 4 as well. He stole a new one from a store.

 

[Johnny Drama]

Halloween and the sequel were the only ones where his mask was clean.

Halloween 4 and 6, it looked kinda silver-ish in h20

 

[The Shape]

God, I hate reading the nit picky biatching about everything Zoombie does.

I for one loved the design of the new mask, It makes sence Michael isn't walking around in a clean white mask. Heres a little detail most of you halloween fans overlook, outside of the lame H20 and it's lame "Michael gets his ass handed to him by busta" sequel, has Michael ever had a clean mask? Please put up pictures showing that clean white mask.

Can't believe you're so desperate to defend Zombie that you're reaching this far. (and a sidenote: Do you feel better about the Zombie "biatching" when you contantly "biatch" about the Zombie "biatching"?)

I guess I have to spell everything out. When I say clean and white, look to Halloween, H4, H5, H6, H20, and HR for example. No, the masks are not literally as white as can be (like a piece of paper), but in comparison to the mask in Zombie's remake, they are much whiter, and therefore much cleaner, and that's what I'd like to see in H2.


And yeah, the mask in H2 was dirty as poop.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

I really didn't have a problem with the about of "dirty" look it had to it, but I didn't like it looking all torn up as if it was dating Chris Brown though.

 

[The Shape]

I really didn't have a problem with the about of "dirty" look it had to it, but I didn't like it looking all torn up as if it was dating Chris Brown though.

I mean, it didn't kill me to see the mask all dirty and torn. A bigger gripe for me was that Michael's eyes were constantly visible.

I just prefer a cleaner look for Michael, a la Part 6, because to me, Michael has never been about looking all nasty and dirty. That can be left for Leatherface or Jason. But under the mask, Michael is supposedly just a normal dude, with no facial deformity, and his mask always seemed to reflect that.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Yeah, cause in my mind I just picture Michael spending the 364 other days of the year being a metrosexual, getting groomed, keeping his hair perfectly comed, cutting his fingernails, clean shaved and over all, banging every chick he meets (that isn't on Halloween of course).

Please, what's underneath Michael's mask is not important. No, he isn't deformed or ever portrayed to be deformed, he's a normal looking guy who's completely off his rocker. His mask isn't suppose to repressent what is under the mask, it repressents what ISN'T under the mask. There is NO ONE under the mask, it's just a blank empty soul being.

Zombie however went another direction, yes his eye's showed because that was the direction it went in. In Zombie's verison, Michael is actually a person. You're suppose to sense that, to know that there is a person under the mask and that somewhere, that young boy is creeping around inside him. Where in the original, it was portrayed as a total complete empty shell. He wasn't Michael in those films, he was The Shape....but Zombie went back and kept him as Michael.

The mask is there, that is Michael, not underneath the mask.

 

[Johnny Drama]

The Chainsaw remake was a very good remake.

I agree, compared to the original it wasn't as good but definitley better than most horror movies released in the early 2000's

 

[The Shape]

Please, what's underneath Michael's mask is not important. No, he isn't deformed or ever portrayed to be deformed, he's a normal looking guy who's completely off his rocker. His mask isn't suppose to repressent what is under the mask, it repressents what ISN'T under the mask. There is NO ONE under the mask, it's just a blank empty soul being.

Zombie however went another direction, yes his eye's showed because that was the direction it went in. In Zombie's verison, Michael is actually a person. You're suppose to sense that, to know that there is a person under the mask and that somewhere, that young boy is creeping around inside him. Where in the original, it was portrayed as a total complete empty shell. He wasn't Michael in those films, he was The Shape....but Zombie went back and kept him as Michael.

The mask is there, that is Michael, not underneath the mask.

And this is why Zombie's Halloween really makes very little sense. Zombie keeps telling us, "Michael's human! He's just a kid! But he's evil!" And then, BAM, he's a 7-foot half giant that is undoubtedly superhuman. What was the point of the backstory in the beginning? Are we supposed to believe that Michael has feelings? Is this why he knelt down before Laurie and held out the picture?

I feel like Zombie tried to do something with the brother/sistertale, but failed, because then Michael goes right back into killer mode. The story he set up in the beginning just really went nowhere, because he ultimately went back to what Carpenter had done.

As for the mask, what I should have said was that Michael's mask has always been a reflection of himself: blank, emotionless, and empty, with the blackest eyes. One could argue that Zombie chose to make Michael's mask all ****ed up because of all the ****ed up things that happened to him, and that would make sense, but to be honest, I don't think he even meant for it to be like that. He probably did it cause it looked "cool" and cause "dirty things are scary".

You can get on me all you want for "Zombie-bashing", but it's just a disheartening thing for me, as a life-long Halloween fan, because in the end, Zombie did the same thing they tried to do in Halloween 6: explain Michael Myers, and he failed (just as H6 did), because Michael Myers can't be explained, whether you give him a trailer-trash background or an obsession with masks, he is UNEXPLAINABLE. Or at least he's better off that way.

 

[Nivek]

Halloween and the sequel were the only ones where his mask was clean.

Halloween 2's mask was dirty as hell. It was pretty much the RZ Halloween mask in color, without the dryrot. In the original Halloween, it was almost a grey-blue in some shots because of the paintjob on top of the original Shatner Masks. The only time I seen it white white was that mindboggingly new mask in H20.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

You have some points. But still, I can't explain Michael from Zombie's Halloween. So what, he was a poor white trash kid (I'm really starting to hate that title of White Trash being labled here), just because he was 'that' doesn't mean that's what caused him to be mental.

Zombie's film was flawed on several levels, but overall, I feel those flaws didn't affect the film to a degree of it being terrible or a waste. I liked it for the most part (hell, after this discussion, I prolly need to watch it again).

In Zombie's version (and I mean that, Zombie's VERSION) Michael was human. He had feelings, he had a thought process. He was a kid who grew up (hell, we don't know who Michael's father was, maybe Mr. Myers was a pro-wrestler? That would fit into the whole 'white trash' image.) Michael grew to be a 7 foot monster, filled with rage, hate and evil. But what Zombie did was, take that and slightly underline it with a hint of innocence that young Michael (the person underneath) is still there a little. Michael goes around killing left and right...and for what? To get to his sister....why? WE DONT' KNOW...it wasn't explained to us why! It's still a complete mystery to us. Why is Michael after his sister? From what I can tell, it sure isn't to kill her...but I'm sure it isn't to have a cup of tea either.

Zombie's Michael still has a cloud of mystery to him. We don't exactly know what he's up to. What we do know is that he's one mad dude who will kill you if you stand in his way or cause a threat to his 'plan'. Maybe in the end, he just want it to be him and his sister...a happy family with out those white trash miserable beings *****in things up.

Outside of Laurie, Michael is still evil...he may not be completely pure evil (maybe he is, I still don't know) but he's definatly one insane, evil, hate filled being who is hell bent on accomplishing whatever it is he wants to do.

And I'll say this, we've seen the Michael you've described before..it's been done...8 times....wouldn't you want to see something a tad bit different done? I got bored with Halloween after 5 and the sequals after that were just like "Oh, there's Michael...and he killed someone...and there's his relitive...and he's going to try and kill them....oh...they killed him....now he's back...and he kills someone else...there's another relitive of his...yup..he's trying to kill them...."

 

[TwilightPro101]

And this is why Zombie's Halloween really makes very little sense. Zombie keeps telling us, "Michael's human! He's just a kid! But he's evil!" And then, BAM, he's a 7-foot half giant that is undoubtedly superhuman. What was the point of the backstory in the beginning? Are we supposed to believe that Michael has feelings? Is this why he knelt down before Laurie and held out the picture?

I feel like Zombie tried to do something with the brother/sistertale, but failed, because then Michael goes right back into killer mode. The story he set up in the beginning just really went nowhere, because he ultimately went back to what Carpenter had done.

As for the mask, what I should have said was that Michael's mask has always been a reflection of himself: blank, emotionless, and empty, with the blackest eyes. One could argue that Zombie chose to make Michael's mask all ****ed up because of all the ****ed up things that happened to him, and that would make sense, but to be honest, I don't think he even meant for it to be like that. He probably did it cause it looked "cool" and cause "dirty things are scary".

You can get on me all you want for "Zombie-bashing", but it's just a disheartening thing for me, as a life-long Halloween fan, because in the end, Zombie did the same thing they tried to do in Halloween 6: explain Michael Myers, and he failed (just as H6 did), because Michael Myers can't be explained, whether you give him a trailer-trash background or an obsession with masks, he is UNEXPLAINABLE. Or at least he's better off that way.

Completely agree.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Halloween 2's mask was dirty as hell. It was pretty much the RZ Halloween mask in color, without the dryrot. In the original Halloween, it was almost a grey-blue in some shots because of the paintjob on top of the original Shatner Masks. The only time I seen it white white was that mindboggingly new mask in H20.

I don't see where this classic Michael mask 1 and 2 thing is going with the 'clean and white' arguement. Yeah, in 1 it was clean(er) than most of the sequals were. H20 definatly had the whitest of all the mask. That thing was bright white. And in all the others, it's always had a odd white painjob that gives off shadow (which is cool).

I'm with you, 2's mask was the dirtiest thing on earth. Dick Warwick must have thought he was going to get a deases wearing that thing. But what do you expect? Debra Hill just kept the mask and shoved it around from place to place in a box with some nit-nacks and let it sit around for 2 years. It was bound to get messed up. . . Which makes me wonder about Debra a little bit, wonder what she use to do with that mask when it was with her? haha. We shall never know.

But my issue isn't with the white color of any of the mask, it was the design of the face. 4,5, and 8 looked horrible. Even in 4 and 5 they used a photo of the original mask for the posters because even they had to know that the mask they used sucked (damn you Shatner!!!!). I think 6 had a good face design. And for H20, they had to cgi a new mask because they used a crappy mask.

But Zombie's mask, it's pretty cool. Don't like the beat up torn look, but I deal with it, but it looks good compared to the ones I mentioned above.

 

[Johnny Drama]

it's funny how remake Michael became a hulk and remake Jason became a runt. It's like they switched places.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Jason was a runt? I didn't get that feeling at all.

Michael did size up though. It's a bit odd, but not really a big deal to me. Michael should be intemidating and look scary as hell. I'd **** my pants if I saw that Michael in my house...he wouldn't have to kill me..I'd have a heart attack.

 

[Marx]

Jason was a runt? I didn't get that feeling at all.

Michael did size up though. It's a bit odd, but not really a big deal to me. Michael should be intemidating and look scary as hell. I'd **** my pants if I saw that Michael in my house...he wouldn't have to kill me..I'd have a heart attack.

I would say that Jason was slightly above average in height and stature. No where near Zombie-Jason size, but more normal.

Michael's size, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. (I agree ABC, he wouldn't have to do anything. I'd see him and have a heart attack.)

 

[Nivek]

it's funny how remake Michael became a hulk and remake Jason became a runt. It's like they switched places.

Are you in the NBA? Derek Mears is 6' 5". The thing was Jared Padalecki is 6'4", so next to that Jason looks kinda even.