Hackers to Ashley Madison website: Pay up or we reveal the name of all your cheaters!

[moviedoors]

Again, we can discuss law and morality until the cows come home, just because society decides something 'isn't bad enough' to be illegal means nothing. Need I remind you what the law used to make permissible?

Appealing to the law is irrelevant, it's social construct.

Your post is irrelevant in any case though because in several states in the USA adultery is illegal. So even according to the law the hacker, priest and adulterer are all criminals.

Really? You're really going to make an equivalent comparison between someone who cheats on their spouse and someone that RAPES CHILDREN? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that.

 

[DeadPresident]

Would any of you be upset if the most embarrassing aspects of your personal Internet search history were hacked and released publicly for friends, families, and co-workers to view? Or would you simply blame yourself for having a weird, embarrassing (but totally legal) fetish that you had always hoped no one find out about?

Yeah...again, appealing to legality is pointless, depending on the state it was a totally illegal fetish

Neither the hackers nor the cheaters have a leg to stand on, but it's amusing seeing who society wants to defend.

 

[The Shape]

The moment the cheaters signed up for the site is the moment they put all information public.

But that's...not true. They signed up for a site that was meant to be secure, a site that was hacked illegally.

By that logic, the moment you decide to lease a car is the moment your Social Security number and personal finance information becomes public information...but no, that's not how it works.

 

[DeadPresident]

Really? You're really going to make an equivalent comparison between someone who cheats on their spouse and someone that RAPES CHILDREN? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that.

Where did I make an equivalent comarison ? I merely said they're all criminals according to the law. Come.on people, fine distinction and reading comprehension, not that difficult. I also agreed with Snow Queen that pedophilia may very well be more damaging, but comparing severity wasn't the point of that example.

Legality is binary, I wasn't making a qualitative statement on how bad a crime is since there are obviously degrees of harm, but for people trying to base an argument on adultery being legal it's kind of flawed.

 

[Majik1387]

But that's...not true. They signed up for a site that was meant to be secure, a site that was hacked illegally.

By that logic, the moment you decide to lease a car is the moment your Social Security number and personal finance information becomes public information...but no, that's not how it works.

No, the AM signup is all purely online. And it's nothing like leasing a car.

 

[DeadPresident]

Also...since when was leasing a car illegal in like 23 states?

#I'mJustBeingPedanticBecauseApparentlyThat'sHowYouDebateNow

 

[Mechanix]

Having been cheated on numerous times by different guys, I only wish this leak came out sooner. Then I could have searched for their information (and likely found it) and avoided wasting my time and putting my mental and physical well-being at risk.

The only ones really sweating from this leak are the cheaters (as they should). Personally, I would much rather find out my spouse is a POS from a leak like this than find out years down the road after marriage and a family. Hopefully the true victims of this (the people who were cheated on) can pick up the pieces, laugh at their ridiculous exes, and move on with their lives.

And divorce their spouses and take their money to support the kids so they're not locked into a pathetic marriage with a cheater.

Obviously, personal experience will play a huge role in how people view this hack. I understand that some arguments have focused on the "swingers" aspect (to which there are already numerous outlets to find suitable partners) and the what-about-people-who-were-given-permission-to-cheat. I feel like these arguments are nothing more than hypotheticals that likely aren't even close to the majority of situations on the site. In other words, the majority of users of AM are likely cheaters who were looking for a convenient and easy way to cheat, without their partners knowing. Screw them.

 

[The Shape]

It's not the hack doing this, it's the cheaters.

Yes, it's the cheaters who hacked their own cheating site and exposed the private information of millions of people illegally.

I totally get that you hate cheaters and they are wrong for cheating. I'm certainly not advocating for them or defending them. Yes, their actions are technically at the root of their own problems, but that doesn't change the fact that a hack like this is illegal and wrong. These people are not God and should not be allowed to choose whose lives they can change or affect in any way, really.

You can swap in "cheating" for anything else that can be hacked -- positive, negative, harmless -- and it wouldn't change the fact that a hack like this is illegal and wrong -- outside of police or government agencies who are, themselves, searching for illegal activity.

In this day and age where everything put online has been "hacked", leaked, etc. anything put online by anyone is on said person, no one elses. Don't want something online, don't put it online.

So you have no sympathy for anyone who gets hacked or exposed for ANY reason? It's all on them, even if their information was stolen illegally from places that were meant to be secure?

 

[DeadPresident]

Let's not mince words, some of the fallout from this will result in homicide and suicide and various other maladaptive outcomes. But that responsibility lies with the cheaters, not the hackers.

 

[The Shape]

No, the AM signup is all purely online. And it's nothing like leasing a car.

In order to lease a car, you have to submit a credit application that requires your SS# along with other personal information. Go to any car brand site and you'll see that there is a section to complete an online credit/finance application.

Even if you visit a car dealership and fill out a credit application on paper with a pen, that sales rep will then have to input the application into his computer (online) and send it (via the Internet and a secure server) to the leasing/finance company for review. No matter what you do, whether it's leasing a car or applying for a credit card or applying to colleges, that information hits the Internet or an Internet server somewhere. It is unavoidable.

My point was that the fact that you supplied this information online does NOT equate to making it public information. That was not your intention, nor the intention of the service that was being provided to you. The only way your personal information would become public or stolen (inviting all kinds of identity theft possibilities for people) is if that server were to be hacked illegally. It's not much different than someone robbing your bank and stealing the items out of your safe deposit box.

So would you honestly blame the person trying to buy a car in that scenario? Do you think that, after the Target credit card hack, the blame lays at the feet of those customers who decided to pay for goods with their credit cards? Or is this totally different because it happened to *****ebag cheaters who deserved it?

 

[Majik1387]

Yes, it's the cheaters who hacked their own cheating site and exposed the private information of millions of people illegally.

It is the cheaters who cheated and caused all the drama in their life from this hack.

I totally get that you hate cheaters and they are wrong for cheating. I'm certainly not advocating for them or defending them. Yes, their actions are technically at the root of their own problems, but that doesn't change the fact that a hack like this is illegal and wrong. These people are not God and should not be allowed to choose whose lives they can change or affect in any way, really.

Never said it wasn't illegal, and I'm not going to comment on the right/wrong aspect of the hack.
And relaying the truth is not being a mythological cult being.

You can swap in "cheating" for anything else that can be hacked -- positive, negative, harmless -- and it wouldn't change the fact that a hack like this is illegal and wrong -- outside of police or government agencies who are, themselves, searching for illegal activity.

I don't need to swap in cheating with anything else, the only losers here in the hack are the cheaters, which created this burden themselves.

So you have no sympathy for anyone who gets hacked or exposed for ANY reason? It's all on them, even if their information was stolen illegally from places that were meant to be secure?

Honestly, with technology and internet being what it is today, and with how many hack there have been in at least the past 5 years; No, I have no sympathy for any of the people. They know what they are doing when they do it, they know the chances of it getting leaked/hacked/etc. yet they still do it and then try to play victim. That doesn't work for me.

Plus being on a forum like this, that literally survives on leaks/rumors/scoops/etc. it's kind of hypocritical to judge this one so negatively.

 

[The Shape]

It is the cheaters who cheated and caused all the drama in their life from this hack.

You couldn't write that sentence without including the word "hack". While the cheaters are at the root of their own problems, let's not pretend that it wasn't the hacking and exposure of their personal information that is what has literally caused all the drama.

Never said it wasn't illegal, and I'm not going to comment on the right/wrong aspect of the hack.

Why not? Hacks aren't wrong? You seem to enjoying commenting on how wrong all of the "victims" are of hackings.

And relaying the truth is not being a mythological cult being.

No, it's not, but illegally hacking and dispersing the private information of millions of strangers in a way that has the potential to dramatically change the course of their lives -- for better or worse -- is kind of like playing "God" in a broad sense.

Your simplification of this to "relaying truth" (ie. the illegal hacking, theft, and exposure of personal/private/secure information) is jarring because if more hackers decided to (or were able to) "relay truth" to bring down businesses they don't like and inadvertently hurt the lives of a total strangers (people who work for the company, people affected by the leak financially or socially) on a regular basis, it definitely wouldn't be something to cheer about.

Honestly, with technology and internet being what it is today, and with how many hack there have been in at least the past 5 years; No, I have no sympathy for any of the people. They know what they are doing when they do it, they know the chances of it getting leaked/hacked/etc. yet they still do it and then try to play victim. That doesn't work for me.

You have no sympathy for anyone who can be hacked illegally for any reason? That's impressive and interesting.

If we were talking about something other than hacking, the idea that it's only the fault of the victims would likely prove to be offensive to many people.

Plus being on a forum like this, that literally survives on leaks/rumors/scoops/etc. it's kind of hypocritical to judge this one so negatively.

Haha, come on. That's an absurd comparison. Our forum does not thrive or survive on information illegally/wrongfully obtained from the sets/vaults/servers of the studio that produce the movies we discuss. Unless there's a secret subforum here I should be checking out.....

 

[The Shape]

Anyway, I don't really feel bad for these dudes/ladies who were exposed with this hack. The whole idea of Ashley Madison was so stupid to begin with, and I'm shocked that so many people seemingly used the site. As they say, "every dog has his day".

Still, it's a pretty slippery slope to be on the side of the hackers here.

 

[Mechanix]

I wonder how many people here who decry the AM hack defend Anonymous' actions when they threaten to release the information of alleged rapists.

 

[TheCommissioner]

At least two suicides, possible extortion, and hate crimes

but it's totes ok as long as those dirty cheaters are punished, amirite?

#sarcasm

http://gawker.com/police-at-least-two-suicides-linked-to-ashley-madison-1726104618

 

[bullets]

This whole idea of a website designed for adultery seems completely stupid to me. You shouldn't be in a relationship if you want to be with other people.

Yes the person should end that relationship but sometimes people are just looking for a thrill or the basic need to enjoy sex. It's not easy to walk out of a marriage or long term relationship.

 

[Evelisse]

At least two suicides, possible extortion, and hate crimes

but it's totes ok as long as those dirty cheaters are punished, amirite?

#sarcasm

http://gawker.com/police-at-least-two-suicides-linked-to-ashley-madison-1726104618

Yes, really hope the hackers are caught.

But everything else...

don't cheat.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

At least two suicides, possible extortion, and hate crimes

but it's totes ok as long as those dirty cheaters are punished, amirite?

#sarcasm

http://gawker.com/police-at-least-two-suicides-linked-to-ashley-madison-1726104618

This is the sad part here. Does it specify if the suicides were by the cheaters themselves, or the ones that got cheated on?

 

[TheCommissioner]

This is the sad part here. Does it specify if the suicides were by the cheaters themselves, or the ones that got cheated on?

one was a Texas police chief who apparently was a paid member of the site

 

[jmc]

Let's not mince words, some of the fallout from this will result in homicide and suicide and various other maladaptive outcomes. But that responsibility lies with the cheaters, not the hackers.

The suicide wouldn't happen without the hackers. Some people aren't mentally stable enough to withstand the shame and embarrassment that comes with this situation, the fact some in here seem to just to be ok with that kind collateral damage is frankly appalling to me.

 

[Sawyer]

Everyone in here being so callous about this s*** has actually put me in the position of defending adulterers. Thanks, guys.

 

[Schlosser85]

Some of you being so callous about suicides and hate crimes are in no position to be acting so morally righteous, because you're not.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

What's done in the dark will come to light EVENTUALLY. That is pretty much a fact of life. So people complaining about the hackers exposing these people need to chill out. The cheaters just got what was coming to them eventually. So the hackers really aren't the bad guys here. As for the cheaters who now want to commit suicide because their dirty laundry is out in the open, well it's sad that they would take their own life, and my thoughts and prayers do go out to the families but honestly, its a cowardly thing to do. You don't want to deal with the consequences of cheating or having the intent to cheat so killing yourself is the answer? Yea, I know what some are going to say, nobody is perfect we all make mistakes etc. While all that is true, it still doesn't justify killing yourself (at least not over something like this).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Some of you being so callous about suicides and hate crimes are in no position to be acting so morally righteous, because you're not.

Agreed.

 

[jmc]

What's done in the dark will come to light EVENTUALLY. That is pretty much a fact of life. So people complaining about the hackers exposing these people need to chill out. The cheaters just got what was coming to them eventually. So the hackers really aren't the bad guys here. As for the cheaters who now want to commit suicide because their dirty laundry is out in the open, well it's sad that they would take their own life, and my thoughts and prayers do go out to the families but honestly, its a cowardly thing to do. You don't want to deal with the consequences of cheating or having the intent to cheat so killing yourself is the answer? Yea, I know what some are going to say, nobody is perfect we all make mistakes etc. While all that is true, it still doesn't justify killing yourself (at least not over something like this).

You don't know the first thing about mental illness then if you think suicide is a cowardly thing to do.