Hackers to Ashley Madison website: Pay up or we reveal the name of all your cheaters!

[Erzengel]

Money.

If a guy divorces his wife, he may have to pay a mortgage on a house he doesn't even live in, throw in having to pay for his own place. Not to mention alimony and child support.

Children.

Some may not want to break up the family.

 

[DeadPresident]

That is implied in the term nihilist. Nihilists believe there are no inherent rights or wrongs, everything is a construct of society and culture.

It's part of nihilism sure, but if you were a complete nihilist you wouldn't even be entertaining this conversation because it's completely irrelevant.

Unless you are in actual fact completely nihilistic and believe nothing matters, but you entertain these kinds of discussions to pass the slow crawl to oblivion.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

But why would a cheater be against leaving their sexless, loveless, unfulfilling relationship? Are they masochists!?

Money.

If a guy divorces his wife, he may have to pay a mortgage on a house he doesn't even live in, throw in having to pay for his own place. Not to mention alimony and child support.

Children.

Some may not want to break up the family.

What Erz said.

It's part of nihilism sure, but if you were a complete nihilist you wouldn't even be entertaining this conversation because it's completely irrelevant.

Unless you are in actual fact completely nihilistic and believe nothing matters, but you entertain these kinds of discussions to pass the slow crawl to oblivion.

The Absurdist would definitely agree that this conversation is a waste of time, as are most things. Your second point is interesting though. How do complete Nihilists entertain themselves?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

This is based on your religious conviction, but as a nihilist and agnostic, there is no inherent right and wrong. Is it foolish and stupid to put your marriage and financial assets at risk? Absolutely. But life isn't so black and white. That's not to say I don't respect your right to your belief, and I hope you live your life in that manner, or you'd be a hypocrite (as I'm sure MANY of the cheaters on Ashley Madison are, I mean the most adulterers came from the HUGELY religious state of Colorado). But even being a hypocrite is being human. It doesn't make a you a great person, but it is human.

Also, the word excuses is bogus to me. There are reasons for actions, but never excuses for anything. An excuse is a justification to oneself, and it's something for weak people.

Btw, I'm talking beyond just adultery, but cheating in general with a boyfriend/girlfriend. I do think it's worse when you've committed to that person via marriage, but it's still a marginal difference. The committment is an internal one. There are many couples who are not married who I'm sure are more devoted and respectful of each other than many married couples out there.

There is no right and wrong? So if someone just wakes up one day and shoots another person in the head for NO reason other than they felt like it, it's not wrong? If you are married and are unhappy with your spouse, then do the right thing and get a divorce. Don't cheat on your spouse and cause them emotional distress and embarrassment because of your own selfish needs. If your that much a sexual person don't get married if you feel you can't be faithful to one person. I am not perfect, but I don't ever plan on living my life as a hypocrite and so far I haven't. I stand by my beliefs, morals, views, and strong sense of right and wrong. Adultery is wrong in my opinion and there is no justification for it EVER. I am a person that takes marriage vows seriously, and it's not a deal where I say I love a woman until I get bored with her or she stops sleeping with me as much, so it makes it okay to look for another woman. Apparently, millions of other people disagree and that's sad.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So the guy or gal has decided to stay in a sexless marriage. Suck up and self serve then.

 

[DeadPresident]

The Absurdist would definitely agree that this conversation is a waste of time, as are most things. Your second point is interesting though. How do complete Nihilists entertain themselves?

Trick question, complete nihilists would kill themselves

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Trick question, complete nihilists would kill themselves

And this concludes today's episode of Philosophy of Infidelity. Tune in tomorrow where some more stuff happens.

 

[DeadPresident]

And this concludes today's episode of Philosophy of Infidelity. Tune in tomorrow where we discuss whether or not infidelity exists.

We should be charging people.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Even if it's a money issue that's another selfish reason. If you cheat then live with the consequences of your actions.

 

[Erzengel]

As someone who is married, which still seems like a weird concept, because it's not like everything changed on our wedding day, just the titles have changed but here's a few things:

I believe in the institution of marriage.
But I don't think marriage is for everyone.
I think some people jump to quickly into marriages and just as quickly out.
People feel like it's a social construct to get married and people don't know that it takes work just to keep one.
I think some people do change. However, if you're not communicating and there's no trust, lack of sex is the least of your problems.
I don't advocate cheating. But I understand it. Being in a loveless marriage with someone who's grown to despise you, because you can't financially leave and you have children. It's not always man/woman are pigs.

 

[TheBat812]

There is no right and wrong? So if someone just wakes up one day and shoots another person in the head for NO reason other than they felt like it, it's not wrong? If you are married and are unhappy with your spouse, then do the right thing and get a divorce. Don't cheat on your spouse and cause them emotional distress and embarrassment because of your own selfish needs. If your that much a sexual person don't get married if you feel you can't be faithful to one person. I am not perfect, but I don't ever plan on living my life as a hypocrite and so far I haven't. I stand by my beliefs, morals, views, and strong sense of right and wrong. Adultery is wrong in my opinion and there is no justification for it EVER. I am a person that takes marriage vows seriously, and it's not a deal where I say I love a woman until I get bored with her or she stops sleeping with me as much, so it makes it okay to look for another woman. Apparently, millions of other people disagree and that's sad.

that's great man, and I truly mean that, it's important to know oneself and your own lines and principles!

As to the first question, it's not inherently wrong - I find it disturbing and a sign of some sort of psychological issue. It's also very sad for whoever was killed. But I don't find it less horrible than killing people in war - they're all people dying. And the reason it's horrible is because we've been raised as a culture to care for people - hopefully all people. But not everybody does. They tend to care for those in their 'tribe.' Many Americans couldn't care less if the entirity of the Middle East were obliterated. Or actively call for the horrible treatment of an entire group of people (Muslims) based on the actions of a few. Is that not also horrible? Once again, it comes down to perception.


And ya, deadPres, you got me, I'm not a 'true' nihilist, haha. But I do agree in the basic tenants, and from there I recognize I live in society and have been raised in there with many cultures to shape my world view including my own life experience and philosophical thoughts on life. Life as a true nihilist would absolutely be unfullfilling. I think we all create meaning for ourselves, whether it's through religion, through your work, and mostly through relationships with others - we are a tribal animal, after all.

to me it's just kind of the most appropriate viewpoint for somebody who works in films/art who's job is to explore people and empathize with them without judgment so as to best decide how to tell their stories. That doesn't discard my own personal views, but it does allow me take a step back and look at things from a more anthropological viewpoint rather than view it through a bias lens.

 

[DeadPresident]

And ya, deadPres, you got me, I'm not a 'true' nihilist, haha. But I do agree in the basic tenants, and from there I recognize I live in society and have been raised in there with many cultures to shape my world view including my own life experience and philosophical thoughts on life. Life as a true nihilist would absolutely be unfullfilling. I think we all create meaning for ourselves, whether it's through religion, through your work, and mostly through relationships with others - we are a tribal animal, after all.

to me it's just kind of the most appropriate viewpoint for somebody who works in films/art who's job is to explore people and empathize with them without judgment so as to best decide how to tell their stories. That doesn't discard my own personal views, but it does allow me take a step back and look at things from a more anthropological viewpoint rather than view it through a bias lens.

I respect that perspective theoretically and from your personal point of view, but, systemically I believe the world is in a place right now where a lot more bias is necessary. Humanity has moved from its infancy into adolescence in the last 400-500 years, and it's time to move out of adolescence into adulthood.

Liberty needs to be balanced with responsibility now. The only problem with cultural relativism (essentially what you referred to in terms of your profession) is that after a while morality and ethics can begin looking so fluid that it's almost inconsequential, which is unfortunately not the case. Everyone is on a rights-trip at the moment and they just want to be able to do whatever they feel like, eventually that's going to lead to absolute chaos.

Global society is in a state of perpetual hedonism, and when it comes down from that binge it's going to be quite a sight to see.

 

[Majik1387]

As someone who is married, which still seems like a weird concept, because it's not like everything changed on our wedding day, just the titles have changed but here's a few things:

I believe in the institution of marriage.
But I don't think marriage is for everyone.
I think some people jump to quickly into marriages and just as quickly out.
People feel like it's a social construct to get married and people don't know that it takes work just to keep one.
I think some people do change. However, if you're not communicating and there's no trust, lack of sex is the least of your problems.
I don't advocate cheating. But I understand it. Being in a loveless marriage with someone who's grown to despise you, because you can't financially leave and you have children. It's not always man/woman are pigs.

This.

Also, I'd like to point out that open relationships and swingers is not cheating. I saw it mentioned a couple of times in the past couple of pages, and thought it should be made clear.

 

[Teelie]

Wow... so much schadenfreude going on. Some of you are really getting enjoyment about the ruination of other people's lives. And you know it and don't care.

Imagine if your life were to be ruined by some mistake you made and everyone around you laughed and made fun of you. That is exactly what you are doing right now.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

As someone who is married, which still seems like a weird concept, because it's not like everything changed on our wedding day, just the titles have changed but here's a few things:

I believe in the institution of marriage.
But I don't think marriage is for everyone.
I think some people jump to quickly into marriages and just as quickly out.
People feel like it's a social construct to get married and people don't know that it takes work just to keep one.
I think some people do change. However, if you're not communicating and there's no trust, lack of sex is the least of your problems.
I don't advocate cheating. But I understand it. Being in a loveless marriage with someone who's grown to despise you, because you can't financially leave and you have children. It's not always man/woman are pigs.

I firmly believe that a lot of people don't take the vows seriously and that's why so many marriages fail. So many people I know got married because of religion, parental pressure, or my least favorite "that's just what you do" and they're getting divorced left and right. If people really sat down and read the fine print on the contract they're agreeing to for the rest of their lives, I think the divorce rates might stay the same but far fewer people would get married. Particularly the part about taking care of the person in sickness and in health. I'm not calling my friends shallow jerks, but none of them are spending the next 40 years caring for their quadriplegic wives. No way.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Wow... so much schadenfreude going on. Some of you are really getting enjoyment about the ruination of other people's lives. And you know it and don't care.

Imagine if your life were to be ruined by some mistake you made and everyone around you laughed and made fun of you. That is exactly what you are doing right now.

I'm only laughing at Duggar. He is a child fiddling, adulterous hypocrite so no apologies for my laughter. Ever. Do I get why someone would sign up for a cheating website? Nope, I don't.

 

[Teelie]

Duggar is one I admit was gleeful but he is also a public figure and therefore an exception under the general rules of privacy in a situation like this we should normally afford people.

He was (I hope it stays as "was" and he goes away) a moralist crusader who is one of the biggest hypocrites to come out of the far right in years. I can't think of anyone who has done more damage to their brand of morality than Duggar who molested his own sisters and cheats on his wife, views pornography and all the while denounces those very things as less offensive than being gay.

 

[Erzengel]

I firmly believe that a lot of people don't take the vows seriously and that's why so many marriages fail. So many people I know got married because of religion, parental pressure, or my least favorite "that's just what you do" and they're getting divorced left and right. If people really sat down and read the fine print on the contract they're agreeing to for the rest of their lives, I think the divorce rates might stay the same but far fewer people would get married. Particularly the part about taking care of the person in sickness and in health. I'm not calling my friends shallow jerks, but none of them are spending the next 40 years caring for their quadriplegic wives. No way.

I also kinda blame the whole "The whole if it feels right, do it." YOLO. Disposable society, attitude.

I think a lot of people have to look up what the word selfless actually means.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In general I do think that this hacking stuff is scary and gross. The hackers don't care about morals and ethics, they are doing this just because they can.

 

[Frodo]

Wow... so much schadenfreude going on. Some of you are really getting enjoyment about the ruination of other people's lives. And you know it and don't care.

Imagine if your life were to be ruined by some mistake you made and everyone around you laughed and made fun of you. That is exactly what you are doing right now.

Well its easy to enjoy misery and hacking as long as it isn't happening to you, and because its happening for reasons you agree with. While I don't feel sorry the clients , I do feel sorry for the spouses who's otherwise personal turmoil has been made public by the hackers, and no, that information being made public is on the hackers not the cheaters , so save me the "cheaters shouldn't have cheated " justification for hacking and public release argument.

If you support that kind of criminality and creepiness .

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well its easy to enjoy misery and hacking as long as it isn't happening to you, and because its happening for reasons you agree with. While I don't feel sorry the clients , I do feel sorry for the spouses who's otherwise personal turmoil has been made public by the hackers, and no, that information being made public is on the hackers not the cheaters , so save me the "cheaters shouldn't have cheated " justification for hacking and public release argument.

If you support that kind of criminality and creepiness .

Are you surprised that some people support this hacking though? I don't support it but it's not surprising that others do. People supported hacking into young women's phones and posting nude photos of them just because they were famous, why wouldn't people support this as well?

As much fun as I am having making fun of Josh Duggar I still think that this hack is wrong and that this info should not be out there.

 

[Teelie]

Well its easy to enjoy misery and hacking as long as it isn't happening to you, and because its happening for reasons you agree with. While I don't feel sorry the clients , I do feel sorry for the spouses who's otherwise personal turmoil has been made public by the hackers, and no, that information being made public is on the hackers not the cheaters , so save me the "cheaters shouldn't have cheated " justification for hacking and public release argument.

If you support that kind of criminality and creepiness .

Actually if you go back to the start of this thread you will see I already said much the same thing especially regarding the family and friends of the cheaters. It's the rest of the people in this thread who have a total disregard for consequences that I am aiming at.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I guess the best way to view this story is like those Darwin Award winners you read about on the internet (i.e., man gets killed climbing into lion's cage at zoo on a dare). It's like, yeah, that really sucks, but come on, at what point did you think this was an awesome idea.

 

[Erzengel]

Are you surprised that some people support this hacking though? I don't support it but it's not surprising that others do. People supported hacking into young women's phones and posting nude photos of them just because they were famous, why wouldn't people support this as well?

As much fun as I am having making fun of Josh Duggar I still think that this hack is wrong and that this info should not be out there.

I'm trying to remember the difference between the hacking during the Fappening and this.

There seem to be more outrage of that one then this one.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Who even created this site? Whoever they are they are TRASH.