Halloween III is a go?

Well personally I found H2 to be the most interesting film in the series. It's probably hated the most, and I can see why to an extent, but it was bold. I wouldn't disagree to this film being a follow up to that dealing with Laurie alone stripped of the other stuff and under a different writer/director. So yeah, I would probably agree with you on that.
 
Honestly a movie without Michael is probably the best way to go at this point. A movie focused around a psychologically-damaged Laurie DOES sound more interesting to me. They gone to that well so many times that it's played out by this point. And honestly the fans, like fans of other properties, will complain no matter what you do. They complain that the sequels are too derivative and don't break from the formula. And then when you DO trying something different, they complain that it's "not a true Halloween" movie because it doesn't adhere to the formula more. Just make the movie that you want to make and let the chips fall where they may.

They won't ever do a Halloween film without Myers again in the same way they won't do a Friday the 13th or Elm Street without Freddy. The slasher icons are the reason people come back to see these films.

The next Halloween film is quite simple they just need to do a film about Myers stalkint teens again. None of the sister stuff, no huge changes like Zombie did, just the teens in Haddonfield with the Shape.
 
I admit I'm one who would not go see it no matter what if Michael Myers ain't in it and the real one,not a pulled bs like in F13:Part V. But if he's in then I'd likely go to the theather no matter what just for him.

As for the film's direction..No clue where they can go with it unless a complete reboot but this is not supposed to be seen as a remake/reboot or a reimagining..it's a recalibration!?..WTF?
 
I admit I'm one who would not go see it no matter what if Michael Myers ain't in it and the real one,not a pulled bs like in F13:Part V. But if he's in then I'd likely go to the theather no matter what just for him.

As for the film's direction..No clue where they can go with it unless a complete reboot but this is not supposed to be seen as a remake/reboot or a reimagining..it's a recalibration!?..WTF?

You need a new word that starts with "re" to describe your movie every 5 years or so.
 
I just want a new Halloween film that is suspenseful, has stalking, thrills, and no Laurie Strode-Sister stuff...
 
The writers of Saw 4-7 and Pirahna 3DD (not even the first Piranha 3D) hired for Halloween reboot...




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If they reboot..Which I think they should if they want to make another film,I definitely agree about retconing the brother-sister stuff and not just in the first film but if they make sequels to it.

Back to the mental patient with a dark history that escapes and stalks babysitters..or young females.Part 2 can be set in a hospital like the original part II but Michael attacking just to finish business.

IF they still want to keep the brother-sister connection,Have Judith survive and she grows up to have a daughter..Laurie.Michael escapes then stalks them after finding Judith wanting to sell the Myers house.
 
The fan base will be pissed off either way. We've seen it before. Either it's "too derivative" and doesn't do enough new stuff, or it's "not true Halloween." So their best option is probably to say "screw it" and make the movie that they want to make.


Not really. Their best bet is to create a film that is at least true to the essence of what the original Halloween was all about -- atmosphere, suspense, terror, intensity -- with a Michael Myers that is built up as the embodiment of fear itself. No origin story, no rhyme, no reason, purely and simply evil.

There are literally countless ways for a good storyteller to do that, whilst still delivering their own unique take on the property. So many stories that can be told with that essence still remaining intact. Rob Zombie just chose to go in the completely wrong, opposite direction and stripped away everything that made the original Halloween a classic.
 
I guess I'm the only one who liked Zombie's movies.
 
I guess I'm the only one who liked Zombie's movies.


It's not that they're absolutely terrible films in their own right. But as 'Halloween' films, they're trash.


Surprisingly, I liked H2 more than his first one.
 
^ I don't get that notion that "as Halloween films they're trash"....do you mean because they're different and the second one specifically doesn't retread the same ole tired ground? Because that's the only thing I get out of that statement. The remake isn't perfect & could've been better (something Zombie himself admitted) but H2 is arguably one of the best slasher movies of that entire decade. I'm particularly speaking of the director's cut.

I commend Rob for taking the initiative to do something different...to put a spin on the brother/sister story angle between Michael & Laurie that's twisted and makes sense, to get Michael out of those damn coveralls, to be bold & not include the classic music and so on and so forth.

Changing elements doesn't make it any less of a Halloween film. Are Batman (1989) & Batman Returns any less of Batman films because Batman kills people in them even though that's a huge deviation? Nope.

I just don't get the logic there.

But anyway, I think the Halloween series needs a break. Yeah, it's been six years since the last film but I think this franchise as well as Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street need to be away from people's minds even longer. We're talking about franchises who all have a lot of movies behind them & have been at the forefront of horror for decades.

I believe a few more years away from them will do them justice. Then maybe whoever is hired to approach them next will actually have something to say in their own unique way. Something that returns the series to more "formal" ground. And by that I mean returning Michael to being the Shape ala removing all motivation & having him be a possibly supernatural psychopath who targets absolutely at random.
 
I have zero hope for this new one. This series has got worse with each new movie and sorry but bringing on the saw guys doesnt inspire much hope. Rob zombie cocked his leg on the last 2 by turning myers into an 8'foot white trash mute who went from being scary and interesting in the original to downright boring and forgettable. If they want to give me hope they should just not touch this series anymore because theres no way to do this without screwing it up.
 
As much as I absolutely love Rob Zombie's two movies and what he tried to do with them, completely different than we've seen before, I think they should go back to the roots.

Rob won't be back anyways and the audiences obviously didn't respond very well to the last ones, especially H2. It's probably best for a fresh start. Maybe not a complete reboot, but at least a light one.
 
"Bloody Disgusting can exclusively report that the next Halloween is NOT a remake, and it WON’T follow Rob Zombie’s 2007 remake and its 2009 sequel.

We have also confirmed that it will NOT be in 3-D, as Patrick Lussier (My Bloody Valentine) and Todd Farmer had originally been developing."

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3331724/exclusive-halloween-details/



Looks like they're going for just a standalone Myers film then if it's not a remake and not a continuation. Cool.
 
If they do go ahead with this (which I doubt) and it's a standalone I'd be all for it. But considering they've been releasing virtually the same report for the last six years, I'll have to hear director & casting announcements, plot details, etc. before I believe it's a concrete project.

Otherwise, this is just the same as any other statement they've made over the last few years.
 
Not a remake and not a sequel. So what continuity is it in? Like I mean even a stand alone has to be set in some universe continuity. If it's a brand new continuity then technically it's a reboot no?
 
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I can't explain it.......but these pictures make me want to trust them.
 
The writers of Saw 4-7 and Pirahna 3DD (not even the first Piranha 3D) hired for Halloween reboot...




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Yeah, that's pretty much my opinion too. No way this can possibly be good. The writers of the least liked Saw movies and Piranha 3DD? I smell disaster. Only thing that could be worse is Rob Zombie coming back for a third kick at the can he already botched.
 
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^ I don't get that notion that "as Halloween films they're trash"....do you mean because they're different and the second one specifically doesn't retread the same ole tired ground? Because that's the only thing I get out of that statement. The remake isn't perfect & could've been better (something Zombie himself admitted) but H2 is arguably one of the best slasher movies of that entire decade. I'm particularly speaking of the director's cut.

I commend Rob for taking the initiative to do something different...to put a spin on the brother/sister story angle between Michael & Laurie that's twisted and makes sense, to get Michael out of those damn coveralls, to be bold & not include the classic music and so on and so forth.

Changing elements doesn't make it any less of a Halloween film. Are Batman (1989) & Batman Returns any less of Batman films because Batman kills people in them even though that's a huge deviation? Nope.

I just don't get the logic there.


Yes, as Halloween films they're trash. I've actually said on numerous occasions that I like Zombie's H2 more than his first outing because he really ran wild with the whole thing. It was like reading a crazy, else-worlds Halloween comic.

However, in terms of his first try at a "remake" of Halloween, he failed horribly. My feelings on this have nothing to do with the mindset that his take failed because he changed things, or that I wanted/expected the film to "tread the same ole tired ground". As I said previously in this thread, it is possible to create a Halloween movie with a unique story or new vision that could be great...as long as it captures the essence of what Halloween was all about.

And that's precisely where Zombie failed -- his remake was lacking the true essence of what made the original Halloween so special.

At its core, Carpenter's Halloween has a remarkably simple set-up. On Halloween night, a little kid randomly murders his older sister. Years later on another Halloween night, this child -- now a man -- escapes the mental hospital and begins stalking a teenage girl and her friends. The doctor who "worked" with this child while he was locked away, believing him capable of terrible things, races to find and stop the killer before it's too late.

Why did Michael Myers kill his sister? Why is he going after Laurie Strode and her friends? Why Halloween night? Why is he seemingly unstoppable in the end? We never got the answers to those questions, and it didn't matter. One of the main reasons the original Halloween was so effective was because it tapped into our primal fears; among them, the "fear of the unknown". The thought that you never know who might be watching you or why. The fact you might not like what you find when you open your bedroom door at night. The idea that someone you know or love -- a friend, a sibling, your child -- might just SNAP and do terrible things.

It didn't matter who was under the mask. Michael Myers wasn't a man. He was a shape, the living embodiment of the evil that lurks in the hearts of men. To quote Dr. Loomis directly:

"I met him, fifteen years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil. "

The original Halloween is built upon that principle, but it also succeeded because of the suspense and overwhelming sense of dread that hung over the entire film from start to finish. There's actually hardly any violence or gore shown in the film. Like Psycho that came before it, the build-up to the kills and all the things we DIDN'T see are what made it scary for audiences.

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Rob Zombie failed to understand this, and he simply wasn't the right man for the job to begin with. Instead of going back to that simple premise, he took the original premise and instead made things over-complicated and incredibly generic. Instead of creating atmosphere and suspense and terror, he tried explain-away the mystique of Michael Myers. He tried to do things differently, but also stick to the general premise, which ultimately was taking the easy way out.

His remake is essentially two separate stories crammed into one film. Michael Myers was given the most generic, serial killer "origin" story possible. Mom was a stripper, struggling to make ends meat. Check! Older sister was a *****y ****e. Check! Stripper mom had a *****ebag, abusive boyfriend. Check! Older kids bullied Michael at school. Check! Started killing animals before humans. Check! Demonstrated clear obsession with wearing masks. Double check!

These are things we never needed to see, and they didn't serve to make the second half of the film more effective or powerful in anyway. Also, making Michael's mask dirty and turning him into a giant did NOT equate to him being more scary in any way. It's another example of how Zombie completely misinterpreted the original material, and shows why his style of filmmaking was wrong for a Halloween remake. And further steering away from the original, simple premise, he decided to give heavy focus on the Michael and Laurie brother/sister connection -- a concept that was introduced in the original Halloween 2. it was never even hinted at in the original film and didn't necessarily need to be a part of the remake.

By the time the boring "origin" story is over with and the film shifts into full "remake" mode, it breezes by so fast and quickly tries to hit all of the iconic moments from the original, even lifting the same dialogue in certain places. So for all of the "different" things Zombie tried to do, it seems Zombie was at a total loss for how to tell the Halloween story in a unique way, aside from giving it a trailer-trash element and making everything more dirty, vulgar, and violent. His idea of how to delivery a scary ending was to have 10 never-ending minutes of Extreme Home Makeover: Michael Myers Edition.

So yeah, like I said, Zombie H2 was better and more interesting overall because it was really just his own thing. Not a good "Halloween" movie (like I originally said), but a relatively entertaining and unique slasher flick. He really should have just made that his own movie and not used Halloween characters for it at all. It only served to further taint the name of the franchise.
 
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Not a remake and not a sequel. So what continuity is it in? Like I mean even a stand alone has to be set in some universe continuity. If it's a brand new continuity then technically it's a reboot no?


Yup, not a remake and not a sequel so technically a reboot.

I think (and hope) this means they aren't necessarily remaking Carpenter's Halloween again, as in that specific story and premise. Hopefully, they'll come up with a new premise and a fresh way to introduce Michael Myers that is still effective, scary, and mysterious.
 
Yes, as Halloween films they're trash. I've actually said on numerous occasions that I like Zombie's H2 more than his first outing because he really ran wild with the whole thing. It was like reading a crazy, else-worlds Halloween comic.

However, in terms of his first try at a "remake" of Halloween, he failed horribly. My feelings on this have nothing to do with the mindset that his take failed because he changed things, or that I wanted/expected the film to "tread the same ole tired ground". As I said previously in this thread, it is possible to create a Halloween movie with a unique story or new vision that could be great...as long as it captures the essence of what Halloween was all about.

And that's precisely where Zombie failed -- his remake was lacking the true essence of what made the original Halloween so special.

At its core, Carpenter's Halloween has a remarkably simple set-up. On Halloween night, a little kid randomly murders his older sister. Years later on another Halloween night, this child -- now a man -- escapes the mental hospital and begins stalking a teenage girl and her friends. The doctor who "worked" with this child while he was locked away, believing him capable of terrible things, races to find and stop the killer before it's too late.

Why did Michael Myers kill his sister? Why is he going after Laurie Strode and her friends? Why Halloween night? Why is he seemingly unstoppable in the end? We never got the answers to those questions, and it didn't matter. One of the main reasons the original Halloween was so effective was because it tapped into our primal fears; among them, the "fear of the unknown". The thought that you never know who might be watching you or why. The fact you might not like what you find when you open your bedroom door at night. The idea that someone you know or love -- a friend, a sibling, your child -- might just SNAP and do terrible things.

It didn't matter who was under the mask. Michael Myers wasn't a man. He was a shape, the living embodiment of the evil that lurks in the hearts of men. To quote Dr. Loomis directly:

"I met him, fifteen years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding; and even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this six-year-old child, with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and the blackest eyes... the devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil. "

The original Halloween is built upon that principle, but it also succeeded because of the suspense and overwhelming sense of dread that hung over the entire film from start to finish. There's actually hardly any violence or gore shown in the film. Like Psycho that came before it, the build-up to the kills and all the things we DIDN'T see are what made it scary for audiences.

---

Rob Zombie failed to understand this, and he simply wasn't the right man for the job to begin with. Instead of going back to that simple premise, he took the original premise and instead made things over-complicated and incredibly generic. Instead of creating atmosphere and suspense and terror, he tried explain-away the mystique of Michael Myers. He tried to do things differently, but also stick to the general premise, which ultimately was taking the easy way out.

His remake is essentially two separate stories crammed into one film. Michael Myers was given the most generic, serial killer "origin" story possible. Mom was a stripper, struggling to make ends meat. Check! Older sister was a *****y ****e. Check! Stripper mom had a *****ebag, abusive boyfriend. Check! Older kids bullied Michael at school. Check! Started killing animals before humans. Check! Demonstrated clear obsession with wearing masks. Double check!

These are things we never needed to see, and they didn't serve to make the second half of the film more effective or powerful in anyway. Also, making Michael's mask dirty and turning him into a giant did NOT equate to him being more scary in any way. It's another example of how Zombie completely misinterpreted the original material, and shows why his style of filmmaking was wrong for a Halloween remake. And further steering away from the original, simple premise, he decided to give heavy focus on the Michael and Laurie brother/sister connection -- a concept that was introduced in the original Halloween 2. it was never even hinted at in the original film and didn't necessarily need to be a part of the remake.

By the time the boring "origin" story is over with and the film shifts into full "remake" mode, it breezes by so fast and quickly tries to hit all of the iconic moments from the original, even lifting the same dialogue in certain places. So far all of the "different" things Zombie tried to do, it seems Zombie was at a total loss for how to tell the Halloween story in a unique way, aside from giving it a trailer-trash element and making everything more dirty, vulgar, and violent. His idea of how to delivery a scary ending was to have 10 never-ending minutes of Extreme Home Makeover: Michael Myers Edition.

So yeah, like I said, Zombie H2 was better and more interesting overall because it was really just his own thing. Not a good "Halloween" movie (like I originally said), but a relatively entertaining and unique slasher flick. He really should have just made that his own movie and not used Halloween character for it at all. It only served to further taint the name of the franchise.

This post just gave me life.

And I f***ing hate that phrase, but it did. :o
 
I'd say that I at least liked Malcolm McDowell's Loomis, but pretty much everything he did in the movie (the first, I never even bothered with the second) was a by-product of all the s*** Zombie was doing wrong.
 
I'd say that I at least liked Malcolm McDowell's Loomis, but pretty much everything he did in the movie (the first, I never even bothered with the second) was a by-product of all the s*** Zombie was doing wrong.

If Loomis was what you liked, then don't bother. While Loomis had his problems in the first film, he is completely in full ******* mode. He does nothing worthwhile until somewhere during the last 15 minutes or so.
 

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