Handicapping Hulk & Hellboy

[jaguarr]

It wasn't one of us that started this mess. It was a jackass writer from some site that generated this fiasco. See for yourself: http://www.filmstew.com/showBlog.aspx?blog_id=1300

Yeah, that's sort of what I just said. Just because he's a jackass doesn't mean we have to be.

jag

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

If Hulk doesn't do twice the box office of Hellboy, I'll ban myself from these boards. Hellboy is a minor blip of a nitch movie that won't be half as big or half as good as Incredible Hulk. Guaranteed!

I don't know BH, I kinda think I got this kids back on this one. Hulk will smoke Hellboy at the BO.

I have no problem if TIH actually does double that of Hellboy. It's just that topdog1 seemed to be setting the bar a little bit too high. I mean, double? It could happen, but seeing that the first Hellboy did well and the first Hulk did poorly, isn't it a little bit unrealistic? Just think it would be better to say that Hulk will do about as well as Hellboy... and then let Hulk exceed our expectations.

In terms of quality, I don't disagree whatsoever. TIH, to me, sounds like it's going to be awesome, regardless of its BO. And you already know that I signed up to watch your premiere, whereas I don't care if I even see Hellboy on DVD.

 

[Khemik@L]

I don't know BH, I kinda think I got this kids back on this one. Hulk will smoke Hellboy at the BO.

As you guys may or maynot know, I'm from the caribbean and ignorant to the ways of the American Movie industry. What is the Box Office and how is its success determined?

 

[ArtTeacher]

I mean, double? It could happen, but seeing that the first Hellboy did well and the first Hulk did poorly, isn't it a little bit unrealistic?

For the curious:

HULK Production Budget: $137,000,000
Domestic Total Gross: $132,177,234

HELLBOY Production Budget: $66,000,000
Domestic Total Gross: $59,623,958

$59,623,958 X 2 < $132,177,234

Just think it would be better to say that Hulk will do about as well as Hellboy... and then let Hulk exceed our expectations.

Isn't this the very thing you chide others for doing? Let's be positive, instead of having a defeatist attitude and dialing our dreams down to lowered expectations. Aim high, speak your dreams into existence, and set high goals.



(That was all free of charge, by the way)

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hulk will make more than Hellboy at the box office. It's just more appealing to the masses.

 

[Advanced Dark]

If Hulk doesn't do twice the box office of Hellboy, I'll ban myself from these boards. Hellboy is a minor blip of a nitch movie that won't be half as big or half as good as Incredible Hulk. Guaranteed!

Hulk should do extremely well and do well more than Hellboy. However the only issue is plenty of people saw the Hulk and didn't like it so Marvel needs to really market the hell out of this hard from late late March through June.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree with you, more or less. Not sure that Mr. Horgan has a "lack of knowledge" on the Hulk, but it sure sounds as if he's entered his article with a predisposition/slant toward Hellboy. If you count up the number of references to Hellboy, del Toro or anything that pertains to that movie, they probably outnumber those of the Hulk, 3-1. Reason if Mr. Horgan does have knowledge on the Hulk, anyway, then he certainly doesn't do us, the readers, any favors to indicate that he does, since his article is so deficient on details regarding the strengths of TIH. It's easy to make a case for something when all you do is isolate what you perceive to be the strengths of one thing and ignore those of the other. Ah well. He's entitled to his opinion. I just don't think he makes a very good case.

I, for one, remain stupefied by the hype that Hellboy gets anyway. That first movie was just not very good IMO and the character himself is utterly boring to me. He's the equivalent of a lumbering Hulk with a few good one-liners and that's about it. I can promise you I will not see that movie until maybe, MAYBE, it comes out on DVD. I've no interest in it, otherwise.

The first movie has a fan base though, as do the comics, and if Universal put in every advert "From the Director Of Pan's Labyrinth," which it seems they are doing, that alone will make the movie more money. Also, you should read the HB comics, the character is great!

Personally, i am 90% certain that HBII will be the better movie, but i think Hulk will make more at the BO. BTW if you havent seen Pan's Labyrinth, go and watch it, its fantastic, which is why i am totally confident that HBII will be amazing.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

As you guys may or maynot know, I'm from the caribbean and ignorant to the ways of the American Movie industry. What is the Box Office and how is its success determined?

No offense, but no one has the answer to the second part of your question. "Box office" refers to ticket sales, revenue, etc... a gauge for measuring success, but by no means the only measure.

For the curious:

HULK Production Budget: $137,000,000
Domestic Total Gross: $132,177,234

HELLBOY Production Budget: $66,000,000
Domestic Total Gross: $59,623,958

$59,623,958 X 2 < $132,177,234

Isn't this the very thing you chide others for doing? Let's be positive, instead of having a defeatist attitude and dialing our dreams down to lowered expectations. Aim high, speak your dreams into existence, and set high goals.



(That was all free of charge, by the way)

sighs...

I set a trap, ArtTeacher, and you walked right into it. Took the bait hook, line and sinker.

First off, thank you for the numbers... but those are for the first Hulk and the first Hellboy. They do nothing to project for us how TIH and Hellboy 2 will do.

Secondly, you gravely underestimate just where I am on TIH. Yes, I generally do chide others for their defeatist attitude - thanks for noticing - but no, I don't believe I've said anything to the effect, "Aim high, speak your dreams into existence, and set high goals." Only you would say those things... or put such things into another person's mouth.

My position is simply this: A person can be entirely pro-TIH, yet still entirely also realistic as to where TIH will actually perform. I generally loved Ang's Hulk... but I'm not so naive as to ignore the overall poor reception it got. You've been around here for a while. Do you hear that noise? It's people being nervous. It's whiny, b****y people calling for Marvel's head. I'm not one of them. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that noise - or the overall poor reception of Ang's Hulk - and I cede that it may just influence TIH's reception. That's called being objective, ArtTeacher. Not defeatist. There's a difference. Look it up.

Send me the invoice, biatch.

 

[matrix_ghost]

As you guys may or maynot know, I'm from the caribbean and ignorant to the ways of the American Movie industry. What is the Box Office and how is its success determined?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_office
When we are talking about the boxoffice , it's simply the amount of cash a movie will make in it's theatrical run , dvd sales etc.

The success of a movie has 2 categories
1 commercial succes :
the BO in other words how much cash as it made and is that suffient enough to warrent a sequel. For studios their main concern is if they can make their budget back ( also called "breaking even"). For example a movie cost 50 million and when released it generates 50 million in ticket sales.
The profit comes you're generating ticket sales that are higher then your budget. That's when a movie is a commercial succes.

2 critical success :
This is just mostly reviews from critics , fans , award nominations and recognition.

Critical success doesn't mean a commercial success and a commercial success doesn't mean a critical success.
Ideally you want both types of success but since you need to the $$$ , commercial success seems to be more important these days.

Box Office discussions are primarely focused on the commercial success of a movie

 

[Khemik@L]

Thank you BH and Matrix. I guess I got thrown off by the Acronym for HBO (Home Box Office). So I was thinking it had to do with showing the film on Television via Starz, HBO or Showtime or some other television network if you will. But now I understand. Its all about the ticket sales and its bascially how movie producers earn their "bread". The higher the profit the more they budget towards the sequel and even determine whether there will be a sequel. Now I see the importance of this. Thanks again.

By the way BH now that I got the answer to my first question the second one is irrelevant so no offense taken

 

[Obi-Ron]

Do you hear that noise? It's people being nervous. It's whiny, b****y people calling for Marvel's head. I'm not one of them. Nonetheless, I acknowledge that noise - or the overall poor reception of Ang's Hulk - and I cede that it may just influence TIH's reception. That's called being objective, ArtTeacher. Not defeatist. There's a difference. Look it up.

Send me the invoice, biatch.

Being condescending and insulting is hardly objective.

 

[guyverfanboy]

Hellboy II should be a great film. I think The Incredible Hulk will be awesome too!

 

[matrix_ghost]

Thank you BH and Matrix. I guess I got thrown off by the Acronym for HBO (Home Box Office). So I was thinking it had to do with showing the film on Television via Starz, HBO or Showtime or some other television network if you will. But now I understand. Its all about the ticket sales and its bascially how movie producers earn their "bread". The higher the profit the more they budget towards the sequel and even determine whether there will be a sequel. Now I see the importance of this. Thanks again.

By the way BH now that I got the answer to my first question the second one is irrelevant so no offense taken

Ticket sales are important because a) allow the studio to make their budget back AND b) also determine how much more the budget of a sequel can be increased .
Of course critical success is also very welcome because people will know that the next sequel will be good. Kinda like how everyone was looking forward to spider-man 2 and now with The Dark Knight.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

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[Bannerless Hulk]

Thank you BH and Matrix. I guess I got thrown off by the Acronym for HBO (Home Box Office). So I was thinking it had to do with showing the film on Television via Starz, HBO or Showtime or some other television network if you will. But now I understand. Its all about the ticket sales and its bascially how movie producers earn their "bread". The higher the profit the more they budget towards the sequel and even determine whether there will be a sequel. Now I see the importance of this. Thanks again.

By the way BH now that I got the answer to my first question the second one is irrelevant so no offense taken

Anytime dude. We could use more of your sort of innocence around here.

The first movie has a fan base though, as do the comics, and if Universal put in every advert "From the Director Of Pan's Labyrinth," which it seems they are doing, that alone will make the movie more money. Also, you should read the HB comics, the character is great!
Personally, i am 90% certain that HBII will be the better movie, but i think Hulk will make more at the BO. BTW if you havent seen Pan's Labyrinth, go and watch it, its fantastic, which is why i am totally confident that HBII will be amazing.

Pan's Labyrinth was just weird to me. It felt like everything was one continuous introduction and that it had no definite beginning. It was like I kept waiting for the movie to start and before I knew it, the movie was over. ??

But I can see how attaching "From the Director Of Pan's Labyrinth" to Hellboy 2 would do the movie well, since Labyrinth seems to have been liked by a lot of people. As for the Hellboy comics, I'm sure you're right. But then, isn't pretty much everything in print media better than film? Seems like everyone I ever talked to about LOTR thought the books were better.

Being condescending and insulting is hardly objective.

Are you suggesting that "whiny, b****y people" don't exist? Yes, I'm being objective in acknowledging they do exist, thank you.

Condescending? Nah... not me. I merely returned serve to ArtTeacher. Guess my serve was better. Oh, and you might also direct your advice to him if you want to be considered objective yourself.

 

[Cracker Jack]

As you guys may or maynot know, I'm from the caribbean and ignorant to the ways of the American Movie industry. What is the Box Office and how is its success determined?

Never mind. I didn't see that it was already answered. How the weather in the Carib Khemik?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Pan's Labyrinth was just weird to me. It felt like everything was one continuous introduction and that it had no definite beginning. It was like I kept waiting for the movie to start and before I knew it, the movie was over. ??

But I can see how attaching "From the Director Of Pan's Labyrinth" to Hellboy 2 would do the movie well, since Labyrinth seems to have been liked by a lot of people. As for the Hellboy comics, I'm sure you're right. But then, isn't pretty much everything in print media better than film? Seems like everyone I ever talked to about LOTR thought the books were better.

I actually thought the LOTR movies were better than the books, but i saw the FOTR before reading any of them, maybe that changed my angle, but the books were just TOO descriptive to me, i like to create my own image of something in my mind rather than someone explain every single little detail.

As Pan's Labyrinth, i thought it was an astonishing movie, which was well liked by both critics and movie goers, even casual one's liked it, which i personally was shocked to find out.

If they put that on the end of every advert for HBII, i think that alone will get it more success.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I actually thought the LOTR movies were better than the books, but i saw the FOTR before reading any of them, maybe that changed my angle, but the books were just TOO descriptive to me, i like to create my own image of something in my mind rather than someone explain every single little detail.

As Pan's Labyrinth, i thought it was an astonishing movie, which was well liked by both critics and movie goers, even casual one's liked it, which i personally was shocked to find out.

If they put that on the end of every advert for HBII, i think that alone will get it more success.

On LOTR, and all other novels for that matter, I'm like you... would rather like to create an image of something in the head than spend hours & hours having the minutia of details told to me. And the movies allow room for a person to do that that the books don't IMO. Plus, you get the whole sensory experience with movies that you don't get cloistering yourself off from the rest of the world reading a book. Ah well... just my opinion. The last thing I want is a room full of librarians hunting me down. lol

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

On LOTR, and all other novels for that matter, I'm like you... would rather like to create an image of something in the head than spend hours & hours having the minutia of details told to me. And the movies allow room for a person to do that that the books don't IMO. Plus, you get the whole sensory experience with movies that you don't get cloistering yourself off from the rest of the world reading a book. Ah well... just my opinion. The last thing I want is a room full of librarians hunting me down. lol

I'm the same, i love a good book, but i hate one like LOTR were every little minute detail is described, down the colour of every leaf on every tree in every forest they go into, i just couldnt get into them at all, i often found myself bored while reading them.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I'm the same, i love a good book, but i hate one like LOTR were every little minute detail is described, down the colour of every leaf on every tree in every forest they go into, i just couldnt get into them at all, i often found myself bored while reading them.

lol What? You don't like that?

 

[Khemik@L]

Never mind. I didn't see that it was already answered. How the weather in the Carib Khemik?

Hot! Sometimes Warm, and cold at nights

 

[Cracker Jack]

Nice. Come to Chicago...................and bring your snow shoes.

 

[Dangerous]

f**k HB2, HULK will be PROPER.

Ed Norton ! It's gonna RULE.